Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121320913#Comment_121320913

This is absolutely remarkable.

I continue to be amazed at what incompetence Ministers in this Government are allowed to get away with compared with Ministers of the past. This is incompetence on a whole new level

jack of all

I heard that report on Newstalk this morning, unbelieveable and made me so angry! We are being taken for a ride and our government have let us down so badly. Future generations will wonder "what the f**k were they thinking?"

grumpyperson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121318790#Comment_121318790

I'm sure the American Indians are forever grateful to the Irish that landed on their shores .

Incredible to think the US soldiers used to make tobacco pouches out of the testicles of American Indians.

https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~rfrey/329indian_wars.htm

_Puma_

Seems things are getting worse with this govevements immigration policy. Any resemblance of a cohesive plan has well and truly evaporated..

This Goverment and their NGO backers need to be removed. The next government will be half baked and I doubt it will last a term.

What happens after that is the big question.

clampedusa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322028#Comment_121322028

I find your point about some Cherokees (and their tobacco flavored ball sacks) in the 1800s to be pertinent to Irelands immigration situation in 2023.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322028#Comment_121322028

We should be also forever grateful for all the irregular migrants that have come to enrich the Irish natives .

https://gript.ie/a-village-of-100-cannot-handle-950-refugees-say-annamoe-residents/

https://www.newstalk.com/news/we-dont-know-whos-coming-westmeath-town-of-200-to-house-almost-100-asylum-seekers-1521493

https://gript.ie/77-claiming-asylum-in-2023-just-turned-up-at-the-ipo-office-so-much-for-checks-at-the-airport/

Patrick2010

Indo has a Ukraine diary every Saturday, today’s is a Ukraine woman living in Citywest hotel with her 13 year old son. She says most of the families living there are people with disabilities

She complains that it’s impossible to find a find a job in Ireland without English compared to Germany who put on courses 4 times a week. Also complains they have to find separate accommodation for their elderly parents unlike Germany.

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121318578#Comment_121318578

 "EG we have a Black History month, yet our Polish population is significantly larger and they don't get a damp Tuesday in November."

Classic!

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121323679#Comment_121323679

Well you know 👇

brickster69

This may help a bit lads.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1720607177180688865

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121319188#Comment_121319188

Not correct. I posted an article a week or so ago about a woman from Nigeria who was living in direct provision for 10 years who had a deportation order against her for 9 of those 10 years. She just had to report to the immigration officer every second week to report that she was here.

At first she couldn’t work or study during that time, but she had access to some courses. Then the rules were changed which allowed asylum seekers to work and study, so she could then go to college. She eventually got her residence permit here then which allowed her and her family to stay.

Having a deportation order against her didn’t seem to have any effect on her going about her business, it seems, and it bought her time to get her residency permit.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322028#Comment_121322028

One Native American tribe would tie up captives cut off their genitals and throw the victim still alive into a fire and they had done this to other Native American tribes before Europeans arrived. This was centuries ago, today Islamic terrorists film themselves decapitating babies and post these films to recruit members. Which is more concerning today?

Viscount Aggro

Annamoe - the owners of the estate know nothing about the plans. I don't believe this.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/count-and-supermodel-wife-neither-notified-nor-consulted-over-plans-to-house-950-refugees-at-glendalough-estate/a1932579734.html

bertieinexile

https://joblog.substack.com/p/that-cabinet-meeting-means-everything

Changes are coming. Are either side ready?

_Kaiser_

We're back to asking the public to put them up...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-begins-new-drive-to-house-ukrainian-refugees-as-24000-living-in-pledged-accommodation/a977901565.html

A large-scale advertising campaign will be rolled out in the coming days in a new push targeted at people who have vacant properties they would open up to refugees. The “Offer a Home” campaign will kick off next Monday and will feature adverts on bus shelters as well as in the media. It comes as the Government is considering imposing a 90-day limit on state accommodation for refugees arriving in Ireland, as well as cutting their welfare payments.

I presume that "nice little earner" for volunteers is still available? In effect then they're just shifting the payments from one provider to another, but it's all still at the taxpayer's expense!

Plus who mandated this "large scale advertising campaign"? More money squandered!

Here's another story from the last 48 hours..

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/1103/1414538-corporation-tax-take-drops-for-third-month-in-a-row/

So at a time when the first signs that the corporation tax take may be faltering are emerging, the Government have decided to spend money on advertising asking for homes for people who are already costing us a fortune we can ill afford, and reducing supply in the market still further when we can't even provide enough homes for our own people never mind anyone else!

Makes sense!! 🙄

MagicJohn

Is that the magic money tree dying?

Anyone get that quicksand feeling?

Sure will be interesting to see this time next Year if the Ukrainians remain on the luxury welfare package.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2023/11/04/mounting-concern-in-coalition-concerning-corporation-tax-receipts/

"There is growing alarm at the top level of Government about the future of corporation tax revenues, after exchequer returns published yesterday showed receipts from the tax plummeted for the third month in succession.

Compared with last year, receipts from corporation tax were down 45 per cent in October, following declines of 12 per cent in September and 36 per cent in August".

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326046#Comment_121326046

A nationwide advertising campaign to encourage people to provide rooms for Ukrainians would seem to be at odds with plans to reduce or do away with payments to people who provide rooms for Ukrainians.

Among the payments to be examined is the Accommodation Recognition Payment (ARP) which is a tax-free payment of €800 per month for each property used to provide accommodation to refugees from Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/Y1QDQ#selection-831.0-831.200

It couldn't possibly be that one part of government doesn't know what the other is doing. Nah, that would never happen.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326046#Comment_121326046

Ti's one one of the reasons I try to pay as little tax as legally possible in this country as all they do with it is squander it on nonsense like you've shown, it gives me some little pleasure to do my shopping up north like I've done last weekend.. Little things give joy sometimes in the midst of the madness

MagicJohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326160#Comment_121326160

"Speaking on Friday, several senior government sources said that the chances of reducing payments for migrants already here is “low” and there is a “high degree of caution” around that issue".

They really are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Cut it once, Cut it big (down to what those in direct provision receive €38) and get it over with.

I posted above, the corp tax receipts are dropping like a stone, at this rate we'll have a deficit this time next Year and just before an election.

What then?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326251#Comment_121326251

"High degree of caution around that issue"

Why? Let's look at that a minute.. What are they afraid of?

- The Ukrainians themselves might object? Well frankly, tough! If they don't like the changes there's nothing forcing them to stay. They can go home (as many have for holidays or on the way for a better deal), or to any other country that'll take them in.

- The Irish electorate? No fear there I think. Quite the opposite in fact! Aside from a noisy minority, the vast majority of people seem to have realised the inequality of the current situation - with new arrivals not just being given things the natives have to jump through hoops for or were told wasn't possible (modular housing), but the effects on small communities of dumping huge numbers of these new arrivals into the area without consultation or warning hasn't sat well with people either in addition to the pressure it's putting on local services and infrastructure.

So it's unlikely to be either of those groups that are causing the Government concern then. What does that leave..

- NGOs. An entire industry has been established around supporting anyone with a sad story, but more than that it's a goldmine for the executives of these "charities" and a great job opportunity for the connected to be appointed/nominated to by their relatives and friends in the corridors of power.

- Property owners. Well the cosy relationship between Government and landlords is well known and long established in this country. A basic essential like a home has become an asset, a tradeable commodity whose profitability is to be maximised. So aside from hoteliers and commercial property owners who have done very well out of this "goodwill", you also have the smaller "volunteers" who are making coin from their charity - plus it's another way to brag to the neighbours and local community.. Something that we are obsessed with in this country back as far as the Tiger years.

- the EU. We already know that the main parties in this country are completely beholden to our European "friends" (much as they were to the Catholic Church in the past) and that the likes of Micheal Martin and Leo Varadkar are obsessed with being the best boys in the class and will ALWAYS put the requests/demands of the EU commission ahead of the best interests of this country or its citizens (it's only ever a coincidence when these overlap, make no mistake!).

It's not just about getting that much needed pat on the head (literally in the case of Enda Kenny as someone reminded us a few days ago), but setting themselves up for a career after Irish politics becomes stale in either the lobbying/board member circuit (see above), or the Commission itself (how else could someone like Phil Hogan still make a living after the Irish Water debacle).

So their cautious attitude to making much needed and long overdue changes is certainly not because they're worried about what the natives at home will think, or even what the Ukrainian new arrivals themselves will think, but more "how do we keep the gravy flowing for our friends, family, and property owners" and "how do we not annoy the EU so that my future career path isn't jeopardised?"

These are far more important in the scheme of things than the consequences of these decisions to the electorate or the country. Who cares about that, right?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326960#Comment_121326960

The government have repeatedly said that the large scale influx of migrants is permanent. Having huge numbers of migrants existing on a pittance for long periods of time would drive up crime levels to a massive degree. Generous benefits minimises such crime.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326979#Comment_121326979

Oh I'm well aware that the stated Government/FG intention is to dramatically increase the population of the country under their Ireland 2040 plan.

Seeing as the (non-benefit claiming) locals certainly can't afford to have more than 1 child, that leaves immigration. In that respect this regional conflict between Ukraine and its aggressive neighbour has been ideal.

But the effect on crime hasn't worked with our existing low income criminal element (as Dublin is sad evidence of and the reducing Garda numbers is a further testament to - but that's what happens when you appoint an unqualified virtue signalling, box ticking Minister for Justice ), and I'm sure it'll be no different with the new arrivals (Ukrainians or otherwise) as we've seen numerous examples of in the papers or court reports.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326251#Comment_121326251

Tighten up our belts. Haughey style

Knew from day one it's when the money runs out this stuff would be put front and centre.

Nothing but a bunch of gobshites in governance here.

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326960#Comment_121326960

Perfect summary !

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326979#Comment_121326979

That sounds like extortion to me - for our own welfare sponges, the high level of the minimum wage should allow for a reduction in benefits, any EU migrants who choose not to work can and should be shipped home. They are not entitled to housing benefit either.

thinkabouit

Apparently some homeless Irish people were staying in that hostel.

74 people in 19 bedrooms!!!

Cashel probably the nicest town in County Tipperary. Lots of tourists visit.

This will absolutely destroy the place

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327197#Comment_121327197

74 males.....

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327198#Comment_121327198

From all sorts of backgrounds. With nothing to do everyday.

What can go wrong!!

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327226#Comment_121327226

74 is a tiny number compared to what other similar small towns have taken. Other towns have managed by organising entertainment and activities for them to reduce the boredom.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327240#Comment_121327240

You're assuming that these 74 aren't just the first tranche.

As for entertainment.. Ah bless! How about they get and contribute to the local community rather than expecting to be kept busy and amused by the locals?

They're already getting enough.