Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349248#Comment_121349248

Never heard of anyone being arrested or anything like that. Sure some folks were hailing that person as a hero such was the way the people of East Wall were portrayed as racist scumbags by politicians and the media.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349276#Comment_121349276

Found him, he even recorded himself doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hz0HiLZQwfg

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121347223#Comment_121347223

The part where Cahill talks about "homeless families being thrown out onto the streets of Cashel to accommodate refugees" is total BS. If you read this other article, there are no homeless families currently in that hostel and only four actual homeless people (and meanwhile, no decision has been made at all about future use of the hostel).

https://www.tippmidwestradio.com/2023/11/06/cahill-calls-for-review-into-decision-to-use-cashel-hostel-to-accommodate-asylum-seekers/

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349301#Comment_121349301

And what happens when an Irish family does become homeless . Tell them sorry there is no accommodation because we're full .

Fair play to the locals, about time people started standing against this.

Buses and Buses of young males, where are these families seeking asylum and refuge. Because all I can see is Buses of young men stepping of Buses like an 18 to 30 holiday. Total joke

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349301#Comment_121349301

It wasnt bs

people that were staying there were staying there on weekly basis. But they wouldn’t be able to stay any more as it was being repurposed for International protection applicants.

The owner confirmed this on an interview on Monday with Tippfm. I was listening.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121347274#Comment_121347274

They have to be accommodated somewhere, it just won't be there. Would need massive investment and changes to stop this, which won't happen

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349012#Comment_121349012

The NGOs are a branch of government cloaked as independent. Most of their funding comes from Govt with some private funding as cover. Bit like RTE. When u see a debate on RTE with a Govt Minister, a NGO talking head all moderated by a RTE journalist...they are all part of the same team.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349549#Comment_121349549

No massive investment needed. Just stop taking in mostly young undocumented men in designer clothes would be a start. Amazes me the style of these young men who are apparently fleeing so quickly they haven't time to take their I'd. I think even the dogs in the street know now it's all about money nothing to do with asylum or persecution for most of them.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349511#Comment_121349511

Ah now, introducing facts into the discussion? How very "far right" of you? /s for those that can't see the sarcasm.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349694#Comment_121349694

I think we need an NGO/Quango/Tango/"Charities"/Non profits thread.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121350322#Comment_121350322

Lol love it

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349511#Comment_121349511

But if you read the second article, all of this was just proposals to convert the hostel being floated by the Department, who were in discussions with the local Council about it. Talk of local homeless people and homeless families being turfed out onto the street to accommodate refugees was just dog whistle stuff from that TD fella.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121350442#Comment_121350442

Bullshit, it was gonna happen until people stopped it.

Spin it whatever way you or they want, homeless Irish people wouldn’t have had anywhere else to go because international protection applicants are being housed there because of more money.

And that would of been a dangerous headline for people to see.

UsBus

The Ireland of a thousand welcomes and friendly natured honest people is slowly starting to dwindle away. It's been abused and taken advantage of to the point everyone has experienced the impact of this in some aspect of their lives.

You feel it in the everyday conversations and interactions. The last decade here has drained people of any ounce of good will or respect towards authority, or Irish humour that we are known for. We're all that little bit more impatient, while trying to accept our bit in solving everyone's problems.

If this uncontrolled movement keeps going followed by increasing acts of violence towards us perpetrated by those the country has tried to help, you'd have to think there will be a blowout moment, an uprising resulting in a serious violent pushback, one where the guards turn a blind eye as they themselves have had enough.

It's getting closer to a tipping point, any orchestrated movement would receive serious backing if targeted correctly against the current government who've allowed this sh*tshow to happen this country.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351315#Comment_121351315

What you’re describing is a phenomenon that Dr Robert Putnam the US political scientist who wrote “Bowling Alone” after the Coumbine Massacre,noted in his study "E Pluribus Unum - Diversity and Community in the 21st Century."

In it he notes that:

“immigration and ethnic diversity tend to reduce social solidarity and social capital. New evidence from the US suggests that in ethnically diverse neighbourhoods residents of all races tend to ‘hunker down’. Trust (even of one's own race) is lower, altruism and community cooperation rarer, friends fewer.”

This is also referred to as “conflict theory” first formulated by Harvard social scientist Gordon Allport. Basically it holds that diversity sharpens “us-against-them” inter-ethnic/inter-racial interactions. Putnam's view opposes diversity-influenced public policies.” He was surprised by the results of his work and has jumped through many hoops to try and spin it to be more diversity positive, saying that in the long term everything is going to be just great. This Pollyanna type thinking may have made it easier to get more grants and funding, or maybe not. You can make your own mind up. But there is no evidence of the benefits of this in Europe.

Putnam first published this in the Journal of Scandinavian Political Studies in 2007. It seems that the Swedish government of the time or subsequent ones didn’t read or agree with it either. 

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351315#Comment_121351315

When the change comes it will come from an unexpected quarter, some small action or event out of the blue which will spiral and the msm can't control and that will be the final straw for many

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349736#Comment_121349736

Similarly, the ones that are able to drive from Ukraine to Ireland. I would imagine that is quite expensive on petrol /diesel

arrive here and no questions asked , full speed ahead with all the benefits and handouts !

ejmaztec

If the chancers were sorted out from the genuine refugees, it would be a start.

I've no doubt that a lot of people in Ukraine had long time notions of moving to an EU country, but were held back because of visa problems etc., and as soon as the visa entry requirement was scrapped they couldn't leave Ukraine quick enough, whether they were anywhere near the fighting or not.

Now of course, there's been a new Ukrainian flow into Ireland, not from Ukraine, but from other countries when they heard about Ireland's generosity and decided to move here instead.

I think that a lot of people are pi55ed off about the situation, and the government ignoring their concerns.

And of course, the far right agitators are having a field day with all these extra people to complain about. They might even get a TD or two at the next election.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352229#Comment_121352229

Leo has commented that people are movimg from safe EU countries to Ireland because kf the benefits here.

So there will be a change in the benefits I suspect.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352264#Comment_121352264

The mind boggles how slow they move on topics like this which is a genuine crisis. Just cut off all welfare for EU nationals who have no social insurance payments and start clearing out the wastrels. Get some order back on the place.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352229#Comment_121352229

How would you differentiate between someone who is pi55ed off as you say and someone being far right.

Before now if you were pi55ed off and mentioned anything about the extra people as you put it you were classed as far right .

Not as bad now though as more and more people are seeing what these Pi55ed off people were saying is now coming true .

UsBus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352311#Comment_121352311

I wouldn't be so sure. I remember the anger at the courthouse in the aftermath of the events in tullamore. And that was without the specific details of what happened being released. The level of resentment is growing rapidly..

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352479#Comment_121352479

Very true, we must be the only country in Europe that doesn't have any proper opposition party. They all just sing from the same hymn sheet here.

glen123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352229#Comment_121352229

Ukrainians didn't require visas to enter EU before the war (except for Ireland because of CTA with the UK).

Visa requirements were scrapped in 2017, if I remember correctly. They still needed work permits to work in the EU but there were no issues getting one in Poland, Czech or Hungary even for unskilled workers. Skilled ones had been working in Google and Facebook and the likes here in Ireland since long before the war.

Also, as I had previously mentioned, you must have been living in Ukraine right before the war began in order to get temp protection. Anyone who had already been living outside of Ukraine e.g. on a work permit in Poland and got here after the start of the war, they would have been refused temp protection. They still have an option to apply for a regular refugee status which means no benefits except for some 20 odd eur per week, direct provision and years to get a decision, and sharing a room with at least 2 others.

Those Ukrainians that got temp protection elsewhere, canceled it and then came to Ireland - they didn't break any laws as EU rules allow for this, so nothing Ireland can do here, except maybe bring Social benefits system for temp protection recipients in line with other EU countries e.g. 100-300eur pm if in fully paid for accommodation, but it's Irish government's fault they are doing nothing about it.

While there are pure benefits suckers here from Ukraine, (absolutely no doubt about it, especially, seeing all these BMWs and Teslas with UA plates, etc) many would gladly go home but they can't - there is either no home or it's not safe. Back home they had homes, friends, jobs, status,everything was familiar and here they are nobody. Majority I am seeing around are Russian speaking so they are from the East or the South neither of which are safe. Yes, there is the Western part of Ukraine that is relatively ok, but a Russian speaking in the West of the Ukraine - very bad idea, especially now that the full scale war had begun. Western Ukrainians generally consider Eastern Russian speaking ones traitors and many are happy for Putin to take Donbas and Crimea as long as they, Ukrainian speaking are left alone. This is something news outlets don't explain at all that the country is very divided by the language which has got even worse since Feb 2022. It's so much easier to pass the Ukrainian nation as united against Russia to an average European, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Besides here in Ireland they are given accommodation, benefits etc on arrival. What would they get in Western Ukraine? Nothing.

Any normal person in their situation, especially if there are kids involved, would have used the chance to go to Europe and go to the country where they'd be most comfortable. I am actually surprised so many are still in Poland - probably because the language much easier to learn and less cultural differences... many probably cannot imagine themselves living in a country where they don't understand a word when they never wanted to leave their homes in the first place.

All Irish government needs to do is stop arguing and bring benefits system for temp protection in line with, let's say, Sweden and numbers arriving will drop very quickly. Good chunk will also leave after a few months and only those really in need will stay, which I think, is fair enough.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121350442#Comment_121350442

Are you saying the hostel was not open and being used by homeless people in south tipp for last i don't know how many years?

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352354#Comment_121352354

The far right are the people who didn't want any refugees or migrants to come here in the first place, no matter who they were, or where they came from, and those people were around for an awful long time before the war kicked off in Ukraine. The pi55ed off people were never associated with the far right and are pi55ed off because the situation has become progressively out of control. Of course, the latter group has been tarred with the same brush as the far right, mainly by naive people who can't see the wood for the trees, and can't seem to see the obvious that the system has reached breaking point.

MagicJohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353759#Comment_121353759

Nice try.

There's no so such thing as the far right in Ireland.

There's just a lot of people people completely fed up with the piss being taken out of them by the political class + NGOs.

Irish people are pretty much a very kind & pragmatic people - but there are limits.

As someone who's lived in Ukraine, and who speaks intermediate Russian, I'm sad and disappointed at the way this crisis has been handled by the Govt here.

All they had to do was treat them more or less like the way the EU accession states (Poland etc) were in 2005/06 (with a little extra supports) - almost everybody would have been onboard.

But no, they went and created a crazy amount of resentment out of nowhere.

The mind boggles.

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356064#Comment_121356064

No far right in Ireland? BS. Nice try to deny its existence.

You've only to look at what's going on in the World to see that fascism is back in fascism.

Lofidelity

Watching the Sinn Fein and feis now, they're obsessed with Palestine. Mary lou spent more time on this than any other issue.

If they win the next election will they throw the doors open to thousands of Gaza refugees?

MagicJohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356091#Comment_121356091

Show me the huge evidence then - in Ireland.

In your own time.

What constitutes "far right"?

or is it just anyone with a non "Politically correct" opinion?