Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372006#Comment_121372006

I've read that the reason for this is that it's way more hassle and expensive for the State than it looks. It's not that just someone stamps a form, the Guards arrive at the person's residence that day and they are put on a plane a couple of hours later.

It involves court proceedings and perhaps appeals, detention for several days, Gardai have to accompany the person all the way to the destination country etc....in other words, costs a fortune and uses up valuable time and resources. I was reading also that Australia is reluctant to use the deportation process for this very reason - I don't know the precise figures, but you could be looking at 50,000 Australian dollars just to deport a single person out of the country.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372074#Comment_121372074

So bottom line is that people refused leave to stay can stay as long as they want until theres another amnesty.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121371161#Comment_121371161

They can vote them out to replace them with similar like minded politicians, theres no choice.

Patrick2010

Likely most are coming from safe countries and tourists won't be looking for school care or GP care

"We see nightly on our televisions the effects of war and the effects of fear on people.We are very lucky that there are no bombs dropping on us, that people in other parts of the world are living with on a daily basis

“So when people come to out country looking for help we should make an effort to welcome them. They are being dropped in a place they have never been before and speaking a language they do not understand.

“We are a very decent welcoming people here in Dromahair and with some good will we can make this work.Whatever label is put on them these are people who need help and shelter.”

When it was suggested that \Dromahair was not big enough to cater for the numbers arriving, she said: “If that hotel was full we would manage and if they were coming here as tourists we would welcome them and if we want we will find a way.”

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372108#Comment_121372108

Pretty much, yes, but they are also stateless i.e. they have no PPS number, cannot work legally, are not entitled to any benefits or social welfare or accommodation, no medical card etc

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372133#Comment_121372133

Again, yes they are! Do I have to mention again the lady who continued to live in direct provision and study for 10 years while she had a deportation order against her for 9 of those years. All she had to do was sign in with the immigration officer every two weeks to say she was still in the country.

Eventually she was given leave to remain, because they nearly alway get leave to remain in the end.

Icsics

That’s an interesting report from Killarney, a town changed dramatically in the last year & now a dumping ground for ‘international protection applicants’, who seem to be mainly young single men. Fair play to the people of Killarney for making a stand, the same is happening in Fermoy. Towns are being destroyed by this government

JPCN1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372181#Comment_121372181

It's not just Killarney, it's the whole county. Hotels that were closed for years are opening up and there's money to be made. Lots and lots of money. Still good to see the beginnings of pushback... long may it continue.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372116#Comment_121372116

If you don't like any of the options on the menu you need to get into the kitchen and rustle up something yourself, that's how democracies work...

dmakc

Heard a radio advert on Newstalk promoting people with spare rooms or houses to rent to Ukraine via logging onto gov.ie - has this one been running for long?

Patrick2010

I saw on Twitter a Ukrainian lad who had been working in Canada for the last year posting online looking for a room and saying the government would pay for his accommodation at a rate of 800 euro a month. So he fled the war zone of Canada?

Any Ukrainians coming here from safe countries should automatically be put on the next plane back

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372333#Comment_121372333

Been running long enough now. It was raised from €400 to €800 about a year ago, obviously when the goodwill started to die down so the government needed to incentivize people giving up a room.

You’d have to wonder what effect it’s had on availability of rental rooms across the country. You’d see rooms being made available online in Leitrim or Roscommon, etc under the the ARP scheme (what it’s called) where in normal circumstances the homeowner would never get €800 for the room, thereby putting an artificial floor in the rental market.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372181#Comment_121372181

Do we know how many IPOs are in Killarney and how many hotels are occupied by them?

Juran

What is happening in Gaza is horrendous, no question, and my heart goes out to the Palestinians. However, on a seperate note, the 30 Irish citizens which are trying to leave, which the Irish government are trying to.help get out as well .. I would like to see an immigration check done to.see how many of these recieved Irish citizenship on the back on AS, refugge, IPA, or whatever.

We hear and read too many stories of ex- AS/IPA/Refugees who once get they Irish passport returning home (ie. 'Unsafe countries') to visit family, study, or whatever.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372074#Comment_121372074

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. The country needs to show that it is not a soft touch and it should be made alot tougher to get in and easier to be thrown out. When people get the message that they won't get into the country unless they have the i dotted and ts crossed they will find another soft touch.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121371918#Comment_121371918

Nobody asked my opinion about such obligations. Any candidate that offers to get tough and nip this nonsense in the bud, gets my vote. I really don't care what party they come from.

From my own POV i moved to a new part of the country, called around to register with a GP in the area, most would not even consider taking me, but one was new to the area and I was put on waiting list and was told a place would come up within a year. I'm a PAYE worker and have never taken dole in my life, no medical card here.

Well a year later a big war broke out in Ukraine and when I called back to the GP, am now told there is no waiting list and they will not take anybody. Yet I am told that Refugees get a medical card, and get assigned to these same local GP's.

Meanwhile I have to drive 30 mins to the only GP i could find. So that's 30min there, an hour or so at the GP, then a 30min drive back. It's costing me and my employer. And I pay cash up front. I've had some health issues and have had to do this journey 5x this past year. Could be worse I suppose, but this is not right.

Pure idiot being a PAYE worker huh.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372074#Comment_121372074

50,000 Australian dollars, not sure what the conversion would be to deport someone from Ireland, but the € equivalent would probably pay for itself in less than two years when you take the following into account:

• “Let us say that approximately 13,000 applicants for international protection would cost the Irish tax payer approximately €500m per year, if Ireland were willing to accept a cap of 100,000 applications per year, the cost to the Irish taxpayer would be €3,846,153,846.15 – noting that this equates to a cost of €38,000 per year for accommodation and meals alone – noting that this figure does not include medical costs, legal costs, education costs etc. It should, however, be noted that some reports suggest that the cost of accommodating an asylum seeker per year is approximately €26,000 (or €70.00 per night), however, this figure does not appear to marry with the overall costs per year that have been discussed in Dail committees or parliamentary questions”

Source: https://ichr.ie/irelands-legal-obligations-regarding-asylum-and-immigration/

So it costs the state the odd €30,000 per year to ONLY house and feed 1 asylum seeker, nevermind all the other services, costs and resources required in their keep… whatever it costs to deport someone, it would actually be a cost saving measure.

Coolcormack1979

Listening to that clip from Killarney and it’s so obvious the same line being trotted out by all in government.the man who said that the anger is bubbling up all over the country is palpable was on the money.

looks like the Green minister for immigration unquestioned is on a sole mission to destroy the tourist industry to such an extent that there won’t be any tourists coming here so No emissions.win win for the green lunatics

_Puma_

Penny finally dropping for our gombeen class

https://tippfm.com/news/international/lowry-locals-feeling-intimidated-number-asylum-seekers-tipp/

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373372#Comment_121373372

Lol.

Parents fearful of teenagers going out after dark?

I didnt realise that the govt had imported 74 ninjas, each harbouring a vendetta against the good folk of Tipperary.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373390#Comment_121373390

Yeah, it's really funny alright...a real side splitter

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373434#Comment_121373434

Bit of an over reaction though, no?

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373390#Comment_121373390

What a stupid post, what’s your point?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373487#Comment_121373487

That its a bit of overkill to say teenagers cant go out after dark.

Pearl clutching, you might say.

Gen.Zhukov

When Lowry (who only gives a flying **** about Lowry) starts shooting his mouth off, it's safe to assume he's getting jip from the locals

The pearl clutching is strictly reserved for the Govt and RTE as they gas light the entire country about the rise of the far right

Gamergurll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373390#Comment_121373390

I'm not sure about specifying just tennagers but as a woman walking past these large groups of young men is intimidating, and I would feel the same if they were a group of Irish men so that is in no way a racist comment. They are stuck bored in a hotel all day with no where else to go so they are going to gather in groups outside. As a mother of teenagers I wouldn't feel good about them being out at night especially with gangs hanging around. I'm sure I'll be called racist and paranoid etc but I would rather be safe. The fact we are in a rural town with feck all Garda presence means taking care of my own safety. Again danger comes in any ethnicity but I don't think it's fair to LOL at people's fears over large groups hanging about. If it was teenagers they would be ran for loitering.

dmakc

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41270041.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Really struggling with this one

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373784#Comment_121373784

We cant criminalise people for walking on the streets.

All towns and cities play their part in this effort.

lmimmfn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373823#Comment_121373823

Ahh sure free of charge Ukranian tourists have to be able to go on holiday home, I'm surprised the government aren't providing a free Santa visit for their kids at this stage.

minimary

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373823#Comment_121373823

I have no clue what they're trying to do with their current policies, its like they're trying to make people unsympathetic towards the Ukranians but then still scold anyone who suggests that Ireland cannot continue being so ridiculously generous towards such a large group.

If I was in Government and I was worried about the number of Ukranians coming here, I would not weeks ago announce that at a certain point new arrivals will be treated in a worse manner, of course anyone whos thinking of coming will come asap. If they are going to reform the rules they should just do it. It drives me crazy all these announcements and then absolutely no action.

The rules on people getting the dole which is the equivalent to the payment the Ukranians are getting is that you can only be absent from the State for 2 weeks a year and have to let the social welfare office know in advance, that rule should be applied to the Ukranians. Also we are far enough into this that the Government should start means testing and also collaborating with the Ukranian embassy to make sure that everyone getting these supports are genuine Ukranian citizens.

When the State is announcing that there is no money for things like upskilling https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2023/11/14/five-year-plan-to-upskill-thousands-of-workers-put-on-hold-amid-spending-concerns/ they can't still offer the most generous payments to Ukranians and expect there not to be animosity