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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • #10832
    _Puma_
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Of the now daily court reports of assaults carried out by people in these centres, plastered over the local papers, this one caught my eye.

    Bail and back to city West for this pillar of the community.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/11/15/ukrainian-refugee-returned-to-dublin-after-alleged-west-donegal-assault/



  • #10833
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,096 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372006#Comment_121372006

    In the middle of covid restrictions when there were very few flights out of the country. 🫥

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #10834
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,096 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373005#Comment_121373005

    Why? Why would there be a deliberate conspiracy to destroy tourism?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #10835
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374081#Comment_121374081

    I think this is a question you should be answering. Or do you not think tourism is being destroyed.



  • #10836
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374033#Comment_121374033

    What a total joke. That city west must be full of lovely additions to the country if this is the norm. No wonder Dublin has become a total third world city in some parts.



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  • #10837
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374071#Comment_121374071

    Very few coming in either, one plus of the pandemic .



  • #10838
    newhouse87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373372#Comment_121373372

    Who are the gombeen class?



  • #10839
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372673#Comment_121372673

    None of the ones referenced in the media so far have Irish names



  • #10840
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,096 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374130#Comment_121374130

    You are the one putting forward the proposition that decisions are being made to deliberately destroy tourism. I don't believe in that conspiracy so no its not something for me to explain at all.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #10841
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    If local businesses say tourist footfall is way down because the hotels are filled with refugees and asylum seekers I'd be inclined to believe them.



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  • #10842
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    The concerns of the people of Killarney have been ignored by the government and the importation of 70 men into the town will go ahead.

    https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/integration-minister-wont-reverse-decision-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-killarney-356412


  • #10843
    Gussoe
    Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    In regards to Ukrainians traveling home for Christmas and have to be back by Jan 5, the article says "Under a protocol set out by government, Ukrainians living in State-funded temporary accommodation may travel and be absent from that accommodation without notifying the Ukraine Crisis Temporary Accommodation Team (UCTAT) in advance."

    So if they don't self report to the UCTAT, who will ever know that they ever travelled outside the state?



  • #10844
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    When is the review of welfare payments eligibility due?



  • #10845
    Marcos
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Marcos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373823#Comment_121373823

    What are you talking about you racist??? It's perfectly normal for refugees fleeing for their lives and safety to go back to that same war zone for Christmas. Honestly some people.

    Or the alternative view is that they're completely taking the piss while being facilitated by the organs of the State to do so. If you really wanted to raise anti refugee sentiment, I couldn't think of a better way to do it. Especially when people are put to the pin of their collar trying to keep fed, warm and have a roof over their heads.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • #10846
    airy fairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    It's infuriating that those in state paid accommodation, with pocket money of €200 pw and a Christmas double, with all the extras that the Irish tax payer cannot access like free doctor visits, can go off on their Christmas holidays to the country they fled. Even if they don't go back to the country they fled and go off on a city break or sun, it's still an insult that they have the luxury of these things when a lot of us are pinned to our collars, paying massive rents, bills and high food costs. Where is the fairness?



  • #10847
    dmakc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭dmakc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374371#Comment_121374371

    Guess they'll just have to protest and continue this game of refugee tennis



  • #10848
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,002 ✭✭✭conorhal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374371#Comment_121374371

    It is truly bizarre the level of damage being done to the tourism sector in this country by the clowns we have in charge. Why the hell would you focus so many refugees in tourist hubs? This is up there with DCC opening injection centres and homeless services in Temple Bar, another bit of bizarre policy that lacks any kind of foresight, despite the predictable results.

    It's probably almost 10 years ago now that I met one of the rarest of unicorns while down in Waterville in Kerry, a couple of black American tourists.

    Since I considered it unlikely that they were there to trace their Oirish ancestry, I asked them why they chose to holiday in Ireland.Their primary concern was safety, with the groundswell of anti-Americanism at the time and Islamist bombs popping off in places like Paris and London, they chose Ireland, a place they knew little about becaues they considered Ireland a safe, English speaking country with very friendly locals.

    I wonder how that same couple would react, as Americans (our highest spending tourist demographic) to the sight of niqabs floating down Killarney hight street and groups of Arab men hanging around on corners making lewd, harassing comments towards women in the town. Something tells me that their next vacation will be Iceland...



  • #10849
    Gamergurll
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Gamergurll


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121375035#Comment_121375035

    Don't forget there's a double children's allowance too



  • #10850
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374280#Comment_121374280

    No it was not me put forward that at all.

    But on that point I'm not naive enough to know what is happening in this country is definitely not destroying tourism. But some people just like to think that this is not going to have serious repercussions .As for myself I find it totally despicable how some of our biggest tourist counties,towns and villages have been turned into refugee Hotspots ,Must be very strange for tourists coming over to experience the Irish culture and people meeting this kind of influx of migrants. And this won't have an effect.



  • #10851
    Gussie Scrotch
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121375756#Comment_121375756

    It probably comes down to the fact that the main tourist towns are where the highest concentration of hotels and guesthouses are. This current crop of "leaders" are unlikely to have thought everything through and the impact on tourism wasn't foreseen.



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  • #10852
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    You'd want a seriously neck to go canvassing for the Green Party in Kerry anytime in the next century.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #10853
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Or, option 2, they have thought it through but don’t give a sh1t…



  • #10854
    Gussie Scrotch
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376400#Comment_121376400

    Possibly, but that would be out of character for this lot. ( the thinking through - not the " not giving a sh1t )

    If they did, however, actually see and understand the likely consequences and went ahead anyway, then that's taking cynicism to another level.

    We're just seeing the first green shoots of the pushback.

    This sh1tshow has a long way to run yet.



  • #10855
    Gussoe
    Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    They certainly haven't thought anything through. There are certain quarters saying the war in Ukraine will go on for the next 5 years. What's their plan for taking in Ukrainians for the next 5 years?

    Heck, how about just the next 2 years?

    What's things going to look like after an additional 200k refugees?



  • #10856
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121374081#Comment_121374081

    Sure the rest of us will show the same lack of concern when these lads start attacking the LGBT crowd, we’ll be sure to call you a bunch of racists too. Sure the Sligo case was in no way related to his religious beliefs. I’m actually amazed how quickly you guys dropped your concerns about homophobia when the attacker wasn’t Irish. Absolutely nothing to do with his religion, plenty of Christian homophobes mutilate their victims corpses too, right?



  • #10857
    BlueSkyDreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376119#Comment_121376119

    Its not a govt strategy to destroy tourism.

    Its because thats where the hotels are.



  • #10858
    BlueSkyDreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376723#Comment_121376723

    How many Ukranians do we have now? I belive it was 80k or so during 2022. Not sure how many more there are now, considering 2023 is almost over.



  • #10859
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭jackboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376879#Comment_121376879

    The government are replacing the tourism industry with the asylum seeker industry. It is not intentionally destroying tourism but rather tourism is in the way. The asylum seeker industry is being driven by a small number of well connected individuals who are making vast profits from accommodating these asylum seekers. These individuals are using our corrupt incompetent politicians to supply the asylum seekers and more Importantly, the vast profits. Corruption is a major driver in this.



  • #10860
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376879#Comment_121376879

    So stop putting them into hotels where tourism is a massive part of that area and they won't destroy tourism. Simple.

    When we ran out of proper facilities for housing refugees we should of stopped taking them.



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  • #10861
    Luxembourgo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376954#Comment_121376954

    No he's saying it's not a strategy, it's incompetence



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