Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390981#Comment_121390981

It's an absolute shitehole. After Moore Street its the worse street of O'Connell Street.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394507#Comment_121394507

I don't understand why some people think the EU are forcing us to take so many UKR refugees?

AFAIK, it is all our own choice.

The same goes for the really slow asylum process. AFAIK, that is all our own choice.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395541#Comment_121395541

Exactly... in the rush for kudos of the EU, Irish government put figures and quotas on how many they were going to take. Instead of seeing what they could actually take without running themselves into a corner. They done good work for the first odd 50k... now I can't see how its sustainable long term.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395541#Comment_121395541

100% our choice, but if we don’t, those choices will have consequences. Like it was our choice to bail out the Unsecured EU bond holders. And 100% our choice to revote on Nice and Lisbon.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390562#Comment_121390562

I don't drive in Dublin city. Live on a cycle /bus corridor so you and the other guy exaggerating for effect are just wrong. Have cycled and taken the bus to work in Dublin city all my life so know more about it than those thanking your posts.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394527#Comment_121394527

Ah bless.

The concentration of refugees in the city is because of the concentration of accomodation in those areas. Also many have to go into the city to collect benefits and attend IPO.

There has always been a large concentration of various people collecting benefits etc in town and others mainly Irish participating in criminal activities and drug taking. Well documented.

People here only noticing that now? And of course as this thread is so adept at, blaming it all on our foreign guests!

I suggest all the snowflakes worrying about themselves on their once or twice a year visit to the Big City cocoon themselves in Kildare Village or Dundrum or the like outside the city and they won't have to look at ordinary daily life around them in all its messiness.

If you have spent your life working in the city centre as I have, and travelling in and out on public transport / cycling/walking, you will know that Dublin is a far, far better place to live and work than it was even 10 or 20 years ago.

Still a long way to go but not being painted correctly here.

Its just a nonsense to claim that the population of Dublin is predominantly non Irish which if you had read anything was the silly remark I was originally replying to.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390981#Comment_121390981

Talbot St has always been a melting pot and a little more on the edge than other streets.

Saying it is worse now is...

More hyperbole.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396447#Comment_121396447

Ah bless. Ok then.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396585#Comment_121396585

Whats the problem with "There are activists from UK working very hard to rile people up against migrants in Ireland"?

Seems a bit anti-British. We do after all, have a CTA between the 2 islands and pretty much zero checks between here an NI. This means that the refugees we let in, become a security concern for the UK.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395746#Comment_121395746

"Rush for kudos from the EU" is completely overstating things - they genuinely wanted to do the right thing by Ukraine (and an SF government would have done the same thing). Look at the current support for the Palestinians from all parties, that's pretty much coming from the same place and is actually going against the mainstream EU position.

tom23

I’ve never known a FF government to the right thing that wasn’t something in for themselves. We all wanted to help, but my point is saying that they could take in up 200k was ludicrous regardless of their intention.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396621#Comment_121396621

They have a much stronger far right over there for many years. National Front being one.

We have had these types trying to influence our politics here for many decades now.

Their interest in keeping British White is not the same as our interests. Nor is it Anti British to have an issue with that sort of 'politics' if you can call it that .

There would be a lot of British people who have problems with it too. As evidenced by these activists being outlawed and some of those grouos being proscribed.

The fact that you misconstrue or don't understand that does not surprise me. As I said it is evident from some of the bile being spewed here that there are some people in sympathy with those characters posting here.

Also bit of a red herring there as we have people travelling in the opposite direction just as much if not moreso from the UK so that should be do we have security issues from the CTA with the UK?

Don:t think anybody (with any sense) would want to get rid of the freedom of travel between UK and Ireland now.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396468#Comment_121396468

Is it? have you been on the street? It is worse than it ever was, its more run down. Go and have a walk down it and see the state of the street and derelict buildings on it and just how run down and filthy it is. Yes it was always gritty but it never looked or felt as bad as it does now.

As usual you are looking to dismiss people accusing them of Hyperbole.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396671#Comment_121396671

Have to say, i haven't seen any National Front types here in Ireland. But it is rather stereotyping and hyperbolic of you to try and brush all anti-refugee sentiment as "far right".

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395541#Comment_121395541

No definitely not my choice, so how can you say it's our choice.

I'm totally disgusted the way the whole immigration process is being done or should I say not being done. And in my opinion we had taken enough a good while back.

Definitely not my choice and plenty of others too.

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396671#Comment_121396671

Yeah, it must be 'British activists', American internet nazis and shady local right-wing opportunists (so popular and persuasive that they can't even score a single county counsel seat in the entire country) who must be responsible!

It certainly can't be people looking around with their own two eyes, at the obvious and inevitable consequences that mass immigration and a broken asylum system has wrought on the infrastructure, social cohesion and culture of their cities and small towns and deciding, 'feck this!'.

No, you're right, it must be the foreign activists! If we can just censor them and push through 'hate speech legislation' to stop people questioning the value of multiculturalism or even discussing it, then surely everything will be utopian!

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396859#Comment_121396859

Doesn't everyone look through their own eyes?

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396585#Comment_121396585

Why don't you highlight some of the venom and bile you have seen from posts here every day. I'm sure the moderaters would be interested in seeing these statements.

Or maybe your just being a bit over the top and it suits your narrative to label anyone who has an issue with immigration as a right wing hate speaker.

What do you class as bile and venom 🤔

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396881#Comment_121396881

Here's the thing though the vast majority do not have a problem with immigration and would welcome it but the problem we have is what is perceived by the vast majority of a free for all for anyone with no checks or restrictions. All people want is a measured approach with controls at the borders. Is that too much to ask?

Patrick2010

Haven’t seen any bile myself but plenty of posts suggesting people who query if we have enough resources to take in unlimited refugees as racists

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396941#Comment_121396941

Agreed, as I have stated many many times. I welcome any immigrants coming to this country who are here to work, integrate and add to society.

I totally Don't agree with the admitting of immigrants here for a free for all with no checks and restrictions. But this is happening and these people are receiving benefits and houses and have no intention of working.

But saying this,does this class me as right wing, racist,hate speech .I don't think so. To me it's common sense.

Gussoe

Leo's recent statements totally contradict his earlier claims that migrants were good and an economic boon. No media will take him to task on that though.

The fact that so many EU countries are now working to restrict the number of refugees is by itself evidence that they are a economic drag.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396854#Comment_121396854

I think the poster means its the govts choice.

And therefore our choice, by virtue of being able to vote in a govt.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397027#Comment_121397027

Yeah would probably be true but for the party I voted for didn't get in.

Even if I had of voted for the present government I would of hoped that they would of put their own citizens interest first which they don't.

And lastly the party I voted for Last time unfortunately will be no different from what government policymakers are doing now.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396790#Comment_121396790

Talbot St is indeed very run down.

I dont think many people would argue with that.

The North Inner City needs mixed development housing, allowing more working people and home owners to live in that part of the city.

Investment from the govt to supplement the mixed tenancy of the area would also help the recovery.

There are green shoots with the Clerys development, but the way the Govt have allowed the Northern part of O'Connell St to lie derelict for decades is scandalous.

I couldnt imagine Oxford St in London ever suffering those levels of neglect, nor Princes St in Edinburgh.

That said, removing all immigrants from the area wont change a thing.

Enabling a mixed residential development and building from there is the only way to make a change for the better.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397051#Comment_121397051

I dont think you will see any of the 3 major parties changing approach significantly.

FG are possibly moving a little to the right on the subject, in that Leo is starting to voice that we are approaching capacity in terms of IPAs and that people are moving from EU countries to Ireland to avail of enhanced financial benefits.

But FF and SF wont oversee any change at all in that regard.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397075#Comment_121397075

Sadly I have to agree.

I havnt a clue who you would even give a vote to for the good of this country and Irish citizens.

tom23

Indeed. Clearys reopening might kickstart a revival of sorts. The amount of romany hanging around all day is depressing. Before there is an NGO boards pile in - we need to find something for these folk to do rather than hanging around on street corners. what that is i don’t know. They’re also a lot of homelessness and people of all hue with mental health problems. Place needs massive investment. Talbot street used to be great imo, back in the late 80’s and early nineties, yes it was run down but there were clothes and shoe bargains to be had. It was gritty enough but a bell of a lot safer than it is now.

Spanish Eyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396585#Comment_121396585

Now GG, it's a long time since my mammy told me off, and I don't want it happening again at my stage in life, so desist!

Anyway, not going to justify myself to anyone. Me merely having a grin at something that I found mildly amusing is not me signing up for the National Front now is it? FWIW I feel there are some who arrive here for the free prams and cars, and vouchers for Veuve Clicquot which they quaff on the terrace of their penthouse apartments (anywhere but D4 of course), at our expense.

It's a disgrace Joe.

Mullaghteelin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396585#Comment_121396585

You may disagree with such politics, but people are allowed to hold such opinions without it being condemned as hate speech.

Ireland is becoming an outlier in being too generous for migrants, and becoming a security risk to both Europe and the UK. We are fast becoming Sweden in 2015.

Sweden invited in refugees, but then lashed out at their EU neighbours for not taking their share. They thought they could save the world. It culminated in the deputy prime minister tearfully announcing Sweden was full in a press conference.

I'm not suggesting we are going to need the army in the streets like Sweden has needed recently, but if we continue as we are anything is possible.

We need to wake up.