Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413078#Comment_121413078

we do, that's what happens when countries get rich, people don't want to do the **** jobs any more because they have way better opportunities. it has happened everywhere and will continue to happen. suck it up.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413084#Comment_121413084

Suck it up .....

Lol

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413010#Comment_121413010

"how do you suggest we fill the roles of cleaners, kitchen porters, hotel staff etc. with Irish people?"

Darling...its so hard to get good staff these days. The natives are so uppity.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413084#Comment_121413084

Employers don't want to pay people decent wages to do jobs anymore because they have way cheaper alternatives. Back in the 16th century, Spanish, Portuguese and English big business didn't want to pay Spanish, Portuguese and English people decent money to work on their plantations or in their mines. Importing slaves was cheaper. Now in the 21st century, big business doesn't even have to pay to transport the slaves - they pay for their own trip! Progess.

Sarcozies

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413084#Comment_121413084

No, it doesn't just happen when countries get rich. It happens when the people at the top get greedy. If the immigration levels of Ireland for the past 20 years hurt their bottom line, we'd have seen changes post haste. Instead, the people at the top reap the profits of having more people to sell to and suppressing wages for the bottom.

You're right that people don't want '**** jobs' but the big boy employers of these industries now have a large group of immigrants who will take these '**** jobs' with terrible conditions. Before mass immigration, they would have to raise pay and conditions to attract labour or go bust.

Mass immigration is welfare for the 1%.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121406192#Comment_121406192

A lot of the psychology involves status-seeking and status-affirming. Placing the group they belong to as more important and valuable, while the others should feel grateful for whatever part of the society the important people allow them to share in. The important people then start to grow resentment if the others are treated equally to them in society, anger if the others dare complain at their treatment and blinded by rage if the others act in a way which harms the important people.

Even in Ireland before widespread immigration you could see something similar with the righteousness of religious people and how for example girls and women would be ostracized for becoming pregnant out of wedlock.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413110#Comment_121413110

it does happen when countries get rich, as young people have way more opportunities, ireland has a huge amount of people with 3rd level education who would never work these jobs even if they paid a bit more and had better conditions.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413125#Comment_121413125

Do young people in Ireland feel like they have way more opportunities? Eurostat data shows that 68% of people aged 25-29 in Ireland still live at home with their parents. Their 3rd level education hasn't even allowed them to leave home.

I think you're living in this 1990s vision of Ireland as a wealthy country. It's not.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413141#Comment_121413141

Employment wise yes, more opportunities now than ever. That's why we need immigrants to do sh*tty jobs.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413146#Comment_121413146

My friend - if you think immigrants are limited to only doing "****" jobs, then you're naïve. The reality is your dream of Ireland crashes straight into the reality of adults just shy of 30 (and many older again) still living with their parents because the "opportunities" you talk about aren't there.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413157#Comment_121413157

they live at home because there's no property available. workwise we now have more opportunities than ever for irish people, that's why we need immigration to do sh*tty jobs, and many other jobs too.

Sarcozies

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413141#Comment_121413141

Can't afford rent. Can't afford to buy a house. Can't afford a child. Can't afford child care. Can't afford food. Can't afford gas and electricity. Have a health emergency? Tough. Wait 2 years before seeing a specialist. Crime committed on you? Tough. 99% of the time nothing will be done.

But they have way more opportunities now because they have Netflix. The people at the top have foot soldiers on the internet doing their work and they're doing it for free.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413163#Comment_121413163

"We" don't need immigration. Big business and rent seekers like NGOs, lawyers and landlords need immigration for varying reasons. In the case of big business its to keep wages down because if an Irish worker demands a pay rise so they can afford to buy a home and start a family, they can just replace them with a non-Irish worker whose happy to do it for far less and live in a bedsit for 5-10 years.

Young people have far less opportunities now than they did previously. They have the opportunity to emigrate to try find a liveable country, but they had that opportunity back in the 1950s and the 1980s too.

What "we" need is an country that is focused around providing for its people, not big business and rent seekers.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413180#Comment_121413180

young people have never had more opportunities in ireland when it comes to their careers

Top 1% in the world for opportunities to citizens. You can do anything you want coming from Ireland. The state will lay on all the springboards, PLCs, to get those jobs. Do the course, get in to door - make things happen, segway, network - build contacts. No opportunities is a **** cop out. Troubled background f**k off with your excuse, take control and sort yourself out. I am saying that as someone from a troubled background.

Take advantage of all the opportunities on offer. IT/Engineering/Rocket sciences/Finance/Tv Production. Whatever

Try coming from f**king Rwanda. Take control of your life, get the head down and do the work. Life moves fast however opportunities come fast also.

highpressisbest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413163#Comment_121413163

And there’s no property available partly because of our high immigration levels. No question at all we require a certain level of immigration but I am not confident at all that the government know what that optimum level is.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413189#Comment_121413189

Just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right?

Maybe the Irish people should have the reasonable expectation that at least in Ireland, under an Irish government they shouldn't have to fight tooth and claw in an economic deathmatch for the lowest bidder with people from "**** Rwanda".

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413125#Comment_121413125

Nurses, doctors, teachers, anybody who have qualifications leave Ireland for a few years to get experience, travel and see other places.

Most return.

There has and will always be places for the foreign migrants who work here.

A lot of these in Dublin were afraid to leave their places of work last night with the gang of (Irish) thugs rioting outside and shouting " kill immigrants."

This thread is a cesspit and some here should take responsibility for the awful stuff and lies being said here every day.

This is not in the name of the majority of Irish people who see the problems with migration and also see that those on the far right are nothing but a pack of rabble rousing dirtbags.

And yet here we have people espousing those same views for pages and pages and being thanked by a group every day.

Shame on those and those who thank these posts.

If you support hate and hate speech it is the best way to encourage the thuggery we saw last night perpetrated by people who don't even understand that they are wrecking the place where they live.

(Not you Thelonius, of course, just responding to your post as tbh don't feel there is anybody else here besides you and Strazdas posting, that I want to engage with anymore.)

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413240#Comment_121413240

well you're going to see some hatred towards people smashing the place up yes. i would imagine if they're from the inner city then they're probably living in social housing in the inner city which is a pretty good deal. people from these areas have more opportunities now than ever too when it comes to getting work, and most of them are working.

thinkabouit

National security under threat & terror attacks arent a fair trade off for pro immigration imo.

And foreign nationals already working here (eastern europeans) with me also think Our immigration policy is insane!

malinheader

The main reason nobody wants to do the lower paid jobs is because your better off on the dole getting a few days here and there. Better still if you have a few kids early on probably a house threw in. The welfare and Benefits are far better than a low paid jobs. And alot of immigrants are well aware of this too.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413240#Comment_121413240

It's a fact if you have a certain accent you won't even make it past the interview stage if you are lucky enough to make it that far and then people wonder why these lads turn to crime and general lawlessness

It's not a fact though is it?

Deep Thought

Ha.. based on yesterday..

seriously.. the Irish patriots attacking the country the allegedly love while the immigrants everyone hates are protecting our children…

close this xenophobic thread .

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413514#Comment_121413514

That immigrant came here with a visa, and is working & making his way in life contributing positively to our country. Nobody has a problem with that system.

But Suspect A is probably why people & right they are, are concerned about coming into the country, because we’ve seen the results of this policy play out already in other country’s.

Deep Thought

Probably..

let’s maybe look at the facts.. lads claiming to be patriotic have attacked the country they claim to love ,

a man from Brazil .. stopped the attack..

or am I totally missing the WHOLE thing..

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413569#Comment_121413569

And why did they do that? What gave that oxygen to ignite?

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413553#Comment_121413553

Tbf, irrespective of what the Deliveroo guy did, that part is an issue. No idea what visa or anything he's on, but a lot of those are in the English language scam schools, working cash in hand and paying no tax and then sleeping 5/6 to a room. There's very much a problem with that system.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413514#Comment_121413514

Just because a thread doesn't suit your views shouldn't be a reason to close it. Do you think people who are concerned about aspects of immigration and how its controlled are all xenophobic.

Anyway the thread your probably looking for was closed because of court cases, this thread is about refugee policy which you seem to be uncomfortable with.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413582#Comment_121413582

He gave an interview earlier saying he was only planning to stay here for a short period before heading to London I think he said ,seems he's travelling around a bit ,

Beasty

This thread is about Ireland's refugee policy. Not immigration for any other reason. It is also not a thread to discuss the stabbings and riots in Dublin

Any questions PM me - do not reply to this post in thread