Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413582#Comment_121413582

Yea fair enough valid point’s that system ain’t perfect but it is what it is!

Im thinking more along the line’s off unvetted bus loads of men being dumped into communities in the middle of the night out of the blue!

combat14

So what is irelands refugee immigration policy at present given the 13,000 homeless here and massive housing crisis ?

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413704#Comment_121413704

Stick them in fields and old buildings in the back arse of nowhere and call it a success.

pauly58

That's exactly it, there is no policy, no plan of any kind other than an open door policy & it isn't going to end well.

jay0109

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413704#Comment_121413704

Half that 13,000 are non-nationals. I see lots of comments over the years referring to Irish homeless making up all of that number, but it's not the case and the breakdowns provided by the authorities show that

lmimmfn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121414340#Comment_121414340

If that happens it's the result of existing parties being completely detached from the concerns of the populace which is the current situation. There's noone to blame but current politicians.

Beasty

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pauly58

The Government line that if you criticize the situation on immigration you must be a Neo-Nazi is like the one Stalin had : The Russian system is perfect, therefore if you criticize it, you must be mad & locked up in an asylum.

I'm a life long Socialist, does that mean I must not criticize what they are doing ? It was obvious long ago this situation was going to be disastrous. I'm an old man & grew up in England at the time the National Front were strong. McEntee & Harris trotting out the old "right wing racist" line just have no idea.

Getting difficult to see how the Government are going to get out of the mess they have caused by incompetence & inept Ministers. They should have had plans, targets etc. when this all started.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121414346#Comment_121414346

Where do you get these breakdowns?

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121414340#Comment_121414340

God I really dislike this trend of trying to make one side responsible for the idiocy of the other.

Our State does not exist to massage, caress and soothe the wanton paranoia, fear-mongering and melodramatics of the far right. We do not have to sit around perpetually fretting as to "what will the far right make of this?". The fact that the presence of foreigners and racial diversity brings the prejudices and ugly views of the far right into the open does not mean that Brazilians or Nigerinans or other non-white or non-Irish nationals made far right folk into what they are. They were what they are already.

It really is not that insightful to wager that the far right will gain traction in Ireland if Ireland continues to have inward migration. That is not because foreigners come here and simply transform otherwise happy, reasonable and intellectually-rounded people into bitter thuggish xenophobes. These people were not all on course to be contented contributors to healthy political and socioeconomic discourse until immigration policy made them something different. The fact is if they weren't bitter about foreigners they'd be bitter about something else.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121415826#Comment_121415826

If the racist card is constantly played it loses all meaning. If you have a problem with all male migrants being bused into small villages under cover of darkness then you must be a Nazi. Oh, now it’s not safe for your kids in the park, well too bad, you must be a racist Nazi. This line is being trotted out by those with kids in private school where there sure as hell are not refugee centers next door full of male only migrants. They should put the migrants in the RTE car park and see how our betters react.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121416851#Comment_121416851

" They should put the migrants in the RTE car park and see how our betters react."

Exactly.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121414534#Comment_121414534

Heard Ivana - leader of the Labour party today, clearly labelling those who express reservations re immigration as right wing.

She'd want to wise up very, very quickly. Insulting voters like me who have voted for Labour candidates in general elections over past 20 years.

Hard to believe that she's that far out of touch with grass roots of Labour party vote.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121417215#Comment_121417215

Why in name of jaysus would ya vote for an obvious racist. Labour be fooked. This party use to think of the workers of the country not your race or colour. Times have changed severely. And please dont ask me who I'd vote for because its a complete ball of shite now in the political institution.

Mullaghteelin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121417215#Comment_121417215

Bacik's more extreme views have been well known to political nerds for many years. For a long time she was notorious for failing to get elected, possibly because she was a bit too radical.

A lot of people are angry with themselves for voting for various different politicians, so you're not alone.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121415925#Comment_121415925

I myself have a few questions I would like answered and that should be being addressed by my government.

Should we be letting the influx of refugees keep rising when our accommodation options are seriously in doubt.

Should refugees be getting the maximum welfare payment when children allowance, rent paid, and transport and alot more is supplied.

Should refugees who are here for shelter be allowed to go home on holiday. If they have family in a safe area perhaps they could of found shelter there.

Should refugees be allowed to leave shelter in another EU country and come to Ireland.

Should large amounts of refugees be placed in very small communities where services are badly over stretched and sometimes non existent.

What will be seen as enough before we become totally swamped and services are totally not working for anyone. Like accommodation at the moment.

How do we know that some of these people are refugees when some show up with no documentation, sorry documentation must be destroyed in flight. And also are they running from oppression or feared of punishment for something

These are just a few of my own questions And there are lots more .But tell me by asking these questions does this make me right wing or a racist.

hamburgham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121417215#Comment_121417215

It’s not hard to believe at all.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419507#Comment_121419507

There is no plan - I have directed some of your questions to the respective Ministers and gotten no clarity. There is a horrible mix of apathy and incompetence running through our government ministries and underpinning departments.

They are snouts in the trough merchants. The future is clear to see looking across the water and into Europe. No the policy rests on PR and spin and large amounts of profligate spending.

In any organisation Harris and McEntee would have to be fired at this point. They are not showing any leadership or doing anything to retool our justice system on actually affecting the intentions of people who live in a perpetual cycle of criminality.

tom23

Labour… insignificant in every way. Had the chance in government and reneged on everything they promised. I’d rather vote Fine Gael I dislike that party so much.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419549#Comment_121419549

Totally, simple question about the large rise in population in the country yet Gardai numbers decreasing and massively under resourced, a few hundred new beds in hospitals but thousands needing them and when it comes to GPs patients they don't have places enough for our own citizens. Yet every time you ask a question that they cannot or are embarrassed to answer it easier to push a narrative of hate speech.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419599#Comment_121419599

The lack of any real choice is very striking I agree. All very well voting for the middle ground, but if the bulk of the parties are all trying to hog that territory, it's Hobsons Choice. How did we become so compliant. Seduced by increasing incomes I suppose.

RobbieV

How many arrivals have sued the state for inability to provide them with accommodation?

tom23

we all though we had real choice when we voted labour back in 2011. Didn’t take them long to change their mind.

Beasty

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Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121415925#Comment_121415925

Very true .

And many are malcontents with everything over the last few years and disappeared down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole before immigration was " a thing " .

Potatoeman

It’s amazing with FG in power, over the last two years the far right are everywhere. It almost like they created them with their own incompetence. Everything they don’t like is far right.

The whole hate speech laws might backfire on them as labelling people that disagree with you as far right could be construed as hate speech too.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413146#Comment_121413146

We have more high level Jobs than people and need immigrants to fill them also, essentially we need immigrants from top to bottom in our current "appease the multinationals " strategy

lmimmfn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423860#Comment_121423860

With the planned hate speech laws there will be no need to label people as far right simply because if they have an opinion on refugees that conflicts with the government's opinion they can be arrested.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423903#Comment_121423903

Not sure how having no housing for skilled workers is appeasing anyone tbh

Ten of Swords

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