Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436776#Comment_121436776

And the locals are fairly important in this discussion no?

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437056#Comment_121437056

Yes. If people come here with a criminal record and/or when here commit crimes, prove they are a danger to our community, don't work and ignore deportation orders are then given citizenship by our government it's clear that the system is broken and we can have no faith that the people being bussed into our communities in large numbers are not a danger to those communities. And I don't care that you try to hide behind the word refugee. We have no clue who is a genuine refugee or not so it casts doubt over all of them.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437056#Comment_121437056

It wouldnt matter the number, they wouldn't care anyway. Sorry I think I quoted you by mistake in my last post.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437011#Comment_121437011

Coincidence that some high profile murders were by non Irish people. saying that what about the father and son who brutally murdered their own son and brother over land? the principle in cavan who murdered his whole family, all the scumbags who beat their ex partners to death? there are loads of cases of Irish people brutally murdering Irish people. dont ignore that.

where is Larry murphy from? one of the biggest pieces of $hit that ever lived.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437108#Comment_121437108

You are treating male refugees like they are a crocodile or something, why the fear of them? its all in your head, there will be bad apples everywhere.

you cant police this, its up to the government and police.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437175#Comment_121437175

Why do we have to deal with the issue at all ?? We are clearly beyond capacity.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437011#Comment_121437011

I would go further and say this:

There are roughly 195 countries in the world.

In none of these 195 countries would the people living there accept (if they had any choice) big population movements of 10s of thousands and even 100s of thousands of foreign aliens from any and every country just being moved in all at once, and nor should they. And there are UN charters which guarantee the right to national integrity.

The people trying to defend this have entered into an outer realm of dishonesty - as if the blanket accusation of "racism" can justify a huge nation-altering demographic transformation that will make ethnic Irish people a single sub-group among many - with no discussion of limits, no way of opting out or objecting.

The Minister for Integration is going around the country like a siege commander negotiating surrenders with small towns.

It is destructive and mischevious. I would wonder at their motives of any person who attempts to defend it - who are you, and what is your actual goal?

Are supporters of this just mindlessly aiming being at Not-Racist and for this reason can't even think properly?

There seems to be an absence of real thought and reflection, just an open void filled with the liberal slogans we have all absorbed for decades.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437139#Comment_121437139

Oh right so why bother trying to research a cure for diabetes because cancer exists is it ? If we can't stop all crime we need to allow crime to increase when we can easily just not do that ? Is that your argument ?

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437227#Comment_121437227

Sure look at how well it worked in Sweden. Surely something to aspire to. If you don't want that you are a fascist.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437234#Comment_121437234

Look also at countries that have been multi-ethnic historically:

Argentina, Brazil, Fiji, Lebanon, Turkey, the former Yugoslavia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire

Once a country become a multiplicity of ethnicities all politics must then revolve around a series of compromises and attempts to keep the peace (at best), and this can go on forever or until separation (Czechoslovakia becoming two countries - Czech Republic and Slovakia) or disintegration of some other kind.

The Russification policy of moving ethnic Russians into Soviet satellites helped to create wars in Georgia and Ukraine.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437260#Comment_121437260

But there's no evidence that migrant workers or refugees are any more likely to commit crimes than people already living here. This focus on criminality of all things seems rather odd - the overwhelming majority of people in any society (whether born there or new arrivals) don't commit serious crimes or end up in prison.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436806#Comment_121436806

😂😂😂

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437314#Comment_121437314

Irish people have committed murders abroad. Should we try and stop all Irish people from leaving the country because of the potential risk they pose to others?

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437385#Comment_121437385

Islamic terrorists have murdered thousands of people all over the world, should we continue to let every single person in from these countries without checking who any of them are? Which position is more ridiculous?

Why can't an actual logical conversation be had on this topic? Nobody in their right mind is saying stop all immigration or that all immigrants are bad, so why is it framed that way?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437398#Comment_121437398

But we do check. Every single person who passes through Garda Immigration at the airports is being checked for the very reasons you indicate....that's why their passport is scanned to see what comes up on the database.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437412#Comment_121437412

And that could be why 60% are tearing up their passports? Yet still put into direct provision instead of placed on the very flight back - do you think this is satisfactory checking process?

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437437#Comment_121437437

And given a deportation order which is basically please leave but we aren't going to check if you do, and sure if you fight it long enough you can have a free house.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437398#Comment_121437398

"Nobody in their right mind is saying stop all immigration or that all immigrants are bad, so why is it framed that way?"

Some might call it arguing in bad faith.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437411#Comment_121437411

I totally get the 'pressure on services, infrastructure and accommodation' arguments re. immigration....it has some validity at least. But the 'immigrants / refugees are potential criminals' one seems totally disingenuous....there are only 4500 people in Irish prisons and probably less than 1k of those are non nationals (out of a non national population of at least 700k).

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437385#Comment_121437385

I fully support not allowing bus loads of Irish men dependent on the state being bussed to small towns and villages in rural Algeria

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437444#Comment_121437444

If there are 12% non-nationals in the country, and they're making up 22% of the prison population, this isn't a statistic I'd be using to defend them with. Granted statistics not specific to AS, but I'd wager that the proportion only worsens.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436799#Comment_121436799

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436799#Comment_121436799

You see I think it is my business to know who is coming into my community.

I give a s##toss about all males as it causes a serious change in demographic of a small town or village.

And I'm not painting all male refugees the same but would like to think that they are properly vetted and background checked to stop any ones who are fleeing from prosecution and crimes in their own country.

Now why don't you admit you cannot answer the question I asked you.

Probably because the answer doesn't go well with your views.

Marcos

The ESRI released it's Annual Report on Migration and Asylum on Tuesday. The report is here if anyone wants to download the pdf.

Highlights include:

A 415% increase in Asylum applications here since 2021, and also 186% increase from 2019.

The top countries of origin for asylum are Georgia with 20%, Algeria 13%, Somalia 125, Nigeria 8%, Zimbabwe 7% and Afghanistan 6%

A 146% increase in first residence permits compared to 2021.

Education accounts for 22% of all valid, current residence permits while employment accounts for only 27%. If only 27% of residence permits are accounted for by employment and are paying employment tax, how does that square with the argument that these massive immigration levels are an economic benefit to us? Don't forget certain parties love to parrot "they're here to pay your pensions" line.

You'd think that the immigration NGOs would be over the moon at these figures, but no they're heavily criticising efforts of the International Protection Office to streamline the process of applying, specifically for those who have travelled here from safe countries of origin and other countries where they wouldn't have a strong case for their application.

You might even say that said NGOs seem to be very invested in blocking any reforms to what is a very cumbersome applications and appeal process and an army of legal advocates only too willing to help, using taxpayers money to provide such legal aid of course. Nothing is for free, unless we're paying of course.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436799#Comment_121436799

It is everybody's business if asylum-seekers making bogus claims are present in Ireland.

Their accomm alone is costing us 42m per month.

Please be careful of the distinction between AS and refugees.

Most people are against AS making bogus claims, while in contrast, Ireland has welcomed nearly 100,000 refugees from UKR.

The distinction is important.

(although I think we have been a bit too generous to the UKR refugees, and 100,000 is too many)

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437437#Comment_121437437

I know that 'next flight back' is a popular mantra amongst posters here, but how do you see it working in reality?

Because someone without a passport literally can't get on a plane or be forcibly put on a plane - the airline ground staff won't allow it, the pilot/crew almost certainly won't be willing to fly with John Does on board, and the ATC/immigration at the destination airport certainly won't greenlight that flight to take off with an incomplete passenger manifest.

So by definition it has to be a much slower process than 'next flight back', which unfortunately leaves us holding the parcel.

pgj2015

Ye need to get a hobby or something, the hate and bitterness will eat you all up. Just get on with your own lives and leave the refugees and asylum seekers alone.

Anyway that's all I am going to say on this thread, life is too short.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438510#Comment_121438510

"Please stop paying attention to this topic, we are struggling to defend it " ok

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438579#Comment_121438579

€10 it's won't be his last word

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438510#Comment_121438510

What did you say, all you did was make statements that you couldn't or wouldn't back up when asked.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438475#Comment_121438475

Could whatever documentation is used when boarding a plane heading for Ireland not be forwarded on by request. I think myself there is no real effort by this country to stop undocumented people from entering. Perhaps its about time we started making it compulsory for anyone entering the country to have to do an esta form like before flying to the USA.