Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508330#Comment_121508330

If documentation used when boarding flight from the another airport cannot be verified then best scenario would be a holding centre, and definitely not a cozy one close to the airport until verified. Definitely 100%shouldn't be allowed to roam the country. What if they are a murderer or child molester or a rapist. Should we be willing to take these chances.

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508370#Comment_121508370

Unless they've already applied in another country

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508353#Comment_121508353

Are you updating Yeats there?

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508356#Comment_121508356

Well given the alternative is to leave the EU and also join Russia and Belarus as the only countries in Europe as having left the European Convention on Human Rights then it is a risk I'm willing to take.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508342#Comment_121508342

There is one flaw in your genius plan. Suppose Jimmy flies in from, say, France, but is not French and has no right to be there either. Upon arrival in Ireland, the immigration authorities will figure out that Jimmy has no right to be in Ireland, travelled from France, and send them back there. Upon arrival, the French will determine that Jimmy is after arriving to France without papers, has no right to be there, and that he flew there from Ireland and so will send him back to Ireland. And the cycle repeats indefinitely.

That is why you have to deport a person to a country that they can actually enter.

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508388#Comment_121508388

If they boarded a plane with a passport in France and land without one, they should be sent back to find it

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508395#Comment_121508395

Why do you think France will let him in with no paperwork and no visa? The immigration officer just sees an "illegal" coming from Dublin. And in your model, the solution is to send the person back to where they came from.

It appears you didn't think past step 1 in your plan..............

In reality, when a person is being deported, the country to which they are being deported actually has to accept them. That can cause issues with the deportation process and would be one of the main motivations for people destroying their original documentation fraudulently.

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508403#Comment_121508403

Last place they were known to have relevant documents

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508407#Comment_121508407

If you ever travel abroad, you will learn that that isn't how it works. Pie in the sky.

If you have a visa, you get past the desk. Or if you have a right to travel there without a visa, you get past the desk. If there is some kind of visa waiver option, then you may or may not get past the desk. You don't get past the desk by saying "I was in there earlier and left me coat inside". It's not the same as trying to get into Coppers

How is the French officer to know/prove/suspect that the person had relevant documents in France previously anyway? And to know/prove/suspect that they didn't have them in Ireland?

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508419#Comment_121508419

So they don't get past the desk in Dublin

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508380#Comment_121508380

I was thinking this alright. So just because your willing to take the risk you think everyone else should follow suit. That's what happened in Galway, people were not willing to gamble with their and their families safety.

Your right about one thing though, we have no proper immigration control and the government are of the same opinion as you. Willing to risk it.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508426#Comment_121508426

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malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508419#Comment_121508419

I have travelled abroad many times and I have never flew without having to provide appropriate identification documentation. Everyone is screened for security reasons.

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508437#Comment_121508437

Much more simple, at each border, they either had documents or not. The last place they had documents is where they should be processed. It's binary, documents yes or no. They board a flight with documents and alight without them, they go back.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508433#Comment_121508433

Well nit just because of me, because the vast majority of people in Ireland want it. I haven't yet seen a massive ground swell in support for Irexit. Maybe those people in that Galway village should try and move to Russia where they'll feel more at home?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508336#Comment_121508336

There would only be 70 refugees to be moved on - use of the disused hotel was just meant to be a temporary 'emergency accommodation' solution. They weren't planning to set up a permanent refugee centre in the village.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508457#Comment_121508457

Your medal is in the post.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508370#Comment_121508370

So it's definitely the welfare payment and benefits here they are coming for. Else why not seek international protection in the EU country they are in.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508459#Comment_121508459

Explain to me how you prove that Jimmy had documentation in France if you don't know Jimmy's name and he has no passport? He could have easily flown from there on false or stolen documentation. France will just say "not our problem - he has no right to be here. Back to Dublin with him".

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121507764#Comment_121507764

Sure the govn did it during covid and the vast majority lapped it up. Why the surprise next time they foist something on the population?

DUBLINIRL

To be honest with you I've seen enough local scumbags since I moved to Dublin from the countryside that I'd love to put them on a boat somewhere and take a chance on a few immigrants to replace them. If I could replace everyone that was at the anti immigration parade in Dublin recently with a new immigrant I would take that immediately. I'm not sure why Dublin is so bad but there really is a lot of the lowest forms of human here despite everything being available to them to lead good lives.

Ten of Swords

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Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508330#Comment_121508330

back to the country he came from

DUBLINIRL

If a military force is killing civilians or destroying so much infrastructure in a country that people are dying should we accept whoever is able to reach us from that country?

I'm not talking about economic issues, just simply people are being murdered and they are offered a boat trip to the green isle by some smugglers... do we let them in a give them a cup of tea or get them to turn the boat around?

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508462#Comment_121508462

Have you examples of other asylum hotel contracts which weren't renewed?

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508522#Comment_121508522

Electric picnic site was only for couple weeks too.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508470#Comment_121508470

Or it could be employment they want also. Or they could have family here. Is there any particular reason you think every single person claiming asylum wants to sit on their ass for the rest of their life and never work?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508119#Comment_121508119

Unless you started the fire yourself (did you?) you can't be 100% certain.

It would be more accurate to say that there's a 99.9999999999999999999% chance of it being arson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Confused11811

Some very dubious people have bought large properties and where actually given contracts for homeless Hubs and refugee centres.

It wouldn't be beyond possibility that some of those dubious people would then engineer a situation where the building was burnt down to cash in on insurance or get new Planning on development that would have been previously refused.

As someone who was involved in exposing criminal ownership of a facility which was granted a contract to be a homeless hub and suffered treats from the owner and associates of the individuals involved I can tell you there is no accountability or background checks done into the owners and service providers of these facilities. Local community are made out to be the bad people for raising objections and concerns. There was zero consequences for those in authority who granted the contract even after CAB where involved.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/former-gangsters-moll-gemma-roe-and-boxer-boyfriend-lose-out-on-lucrative-homeless-hub-contract/41766852.html

I don't know what happened in Galway but I wouldn't jump to a conclusion that local people where involved. While a criminal act might have been committed it could very well have been something else none of you are talking about because you're all distracted.

Ask yourself, where the hell was the security at the hotel ? That fire looks very extensive like someone took their time and knew what they where doing. For those criminally minded with money and means it would be easy to blame racist locals and cash in on insurance. It might not be the case here but you can be sure there are criminal ownerships and involvement in refugee centres and homeless Hubs throughout this country.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489869#Comment_121489869

wait, wasn’t this marketed to us as ‘ international protection ‘ ?

you’d be forgiven for thinking, we’ve been lied to, been had. 😏

Problem is now every refugee and refugee advocacy group are already pushing for every refugee from anywhere to be equalised in terms of this stuff, just not sustainable, it’s madness.