Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

ShamNNspace

Maybe Sinead could do something practical and put up a few of them in her abode in Blackrock, maybe give her cousin Des (the "comedian") a shout to put up another few while she was at it, instead of squandering my taxes and preaching at us every other day

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521429#Comment_121521429

Something wrong if they can't read the mood in the country about the high levels of immigration. The CSO census data shows that 20% of the population in 2022 were born elsewhere, that figure excluded Ukranian and others not normally resident here so the actual numbers are likely higher.

Place of Birth

80% of the usually resident population was born in Ireland. This represents a decrease of 3% since 2016.

• The number of people who usually lived in Ireland but were born elsewhere stood at 20% of the population.
• This represented 1,017,437 people, an increase of 207,031 from six years previously.
• The biggest increases were recorded in the number of people born in India (up 35,673), Brazil (23,760) and Romania (13,758).

It would be good if the government could let us know what overall percentage they deem is reasonable or acceptable in our small population - are they happy for that figure to keep increasing to 30/40/50% ?

The current situation is clearly causing difficulties for our country in many areas, not only housing. Every service is stretched, gp's, schools, hospitals, we export our well educated young people and have serious problems retaining medical, teaching, construction, transport, and other essential workers because they can't afford to live here.

Yet the government can still manage to find many billions of our taxes to support new arrivals to our country. It is beyond ridiculous at this stage

Sonic the Shaghog

And where were they for the human rights of all the homeless with no accomodation over the last few years?

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522152#Comment_121522152

It’s even more significant when almost no-one it seems irrespective of the outcome of their actual international protection claim ends up having to leave.

Thou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121524975#Comment_121524975

Well there's footage of Ryan in the Dáil declaring that the country needs to prepare for a doubling in size of it's population in the coming decades to 10 million. Coveney is also on record, claiming that there will be a similar increase in numbers (manufactored) to the population in the next 10 to 20 years. If they keep adding from between 120,000 to 200,000 (not born here) per year, well then they're well on target to reach any of those 30/40 or 50% figures, aka minority Irish. Don't think they'll be announcing it on RTÉ anytime soon though.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521428#Comment_121521428

Jesus cant be any worse than the lot in.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525032#Comment_121525032

Towns round the country dont have the infrastructure to support that not to talk about housing. Total delusion.

Place will be a kip.

That's also thinking the economy will keep growing indefinitely on top of this. What happens if it takes a nose dive in the next couple of years. Also green initiative out the window then with doubling of population then Mr Ryan.

Total muppets. Theyd sell their granny to get ahead this lot.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121524977#Comment_121524977

Pretty much every homeless person is provided accommodation. Not every homeless person takes it up though.

Thou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525061#Comment_121525061

I agree with everything you're saying and the whole thing is insane, and illogical to anyone not benefiting from it all at this stage. You'd imagine as well at the very least to keep it going at this rate it is unsustainable. However, at the outset of this mass influx, coinciding with the conflict in Ukraine we were hearing about unlimited, uncapped, or to expect upward of 250,000 people. At the time I thought it wouldn't get near that, but it doesn't seem so far fetched now. Government will keep stacking them high, while simultaneously trying to buy themselves time to find more and more accommodation. Remember, there are plans for new reception or processing centres at various locations across the country. They might not reach the targets being thrown around but they will go all out to try and do so. The huge amount of money involved (see AMIF fund) is what's driving this, the affect on local communities and indigenous economies are not included in their plans and are merely cannon fodder at this stage.

Sonic the Shaghog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525086#Comment_121525086

Ideal then, let the new arrivals present themselves at the same places as current homeless each night after they get their sleeping bags, if it's good enough for the homeless it's good enough for new arrivals.

Seems tho certain groups are supposed to get long term hotel stays instead of presenting daily tho

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525086#Comment_121525086

Indeed, that latter category can have all sorts of issues going on : drug addiction, mental health problems etc (this can often be the reason they became homeless in the first place).

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525791#Comment_121525791

Lots of people who are homeless can avail of long term accommodation. You've seriously never heard the stories of Irish families living in hotels? Have you been abroad these last few years?

Sonic the Shaghog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525855#Comment_121525855

Don't play smart lad. Families may be different but single males/females without kids have to play the lottery and present to the homeless service every day to be offered a bed somewhere for the night. In certain places there's no guarantee of a bed depending on resources.

Any new singles coming here claiming asylum have been getting placed and kept there long term.

slay55

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newhouse87

https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/home/1377495/tipperary-council-presses-to-be-consulted-on-any-future-plans-to-move-asylum-seekers-to-county.html

Think more councils should be doing the same.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526944#Comment_121526944

I've said the actual far right on social media are feeding buzzwords like 'unvetted men' and 'males of fighting age' into the public discourse. These terms didn't just appear out of nowhere.

I would definitely question why little known FF TDs and councillors are making statements about refugees all of a sudden.....representatives who never seem to have even spoken up about the refugee question or immigration before.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527012#Comment_121527012

Would it not be due to their constituents contacting them asking questions?

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527012#Comment_121527012

Do you believe there’s any limits on the number of asylum seekers/refugees we can take in? As a small country we have only so much resources, the more houses we build the more will arrive into the country, we’ll never catch up. At what stage do we say we can’t do anymore, despite taxpayer funded NGOs suing us

sive60

No one cares about being called far right anymore, its a “ buzzword”, way overused.

As a method of blocking debate, no use anymore.

vetted, unvetted, no one cates either, use what you like.

The point being conveyed is people are unhappy about hundreds of men destroying passports to maybe evade scrutiny and then being bussed to rural ateas out of sight and mind of ghe wealthy in our society.

why cant the President give up his resiidence, old people ate bring shunted from their nursing homes to make eay for those destroying their passports, how msny can we fit into the Aras and the Government residence in the phoenix park, fully serviced area and near Garda HQ, no need for Dept to be leasing residence down grassy boreens at all.

why do they do it, because not enough of the influential type to prevent it.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121524233#Comment_121524233

How is it ok for France and Denmark (just two examples) to bring in new or stricter rules about immigration to their countries yet I keep reading on boards.ie that we are restricted on changing anything due to our international obligations. Do different rules apply to different countries or EU members?

jack of all

We're the best boys and girls in class and as such it's our duty- "we must do more"....

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527012#Comment_121527012

Do you honestly think that the majority of Irish people who are concerned about the huge numbers of immigrants are not able to make up their own minds? You think our well educated, intelligent and astute citizens need to be 'influenced' by the far right or similar groups on social media in order to voice concerns? How insulting to the people of this country and an arrogant and pompous attitude.

The citizens of this country and their taxes have done more than others to help and support those in need, but when it is having a detrimental effect on most of our services they are entitled to air their concerns. They don't need to be stirred up by unknown groups online, as a matter of fact, many older people don't even use social media but they are being directly affected by reduced services, and their adult kids can't rent or buy and have to leave the country.

Local councillors and politicians have a job to do - represent the views of their Irish constituents and it is high time that some local TD's have finally started to do that job instead of ignoring and dismissing their concerns while worrying more about new arrivals to this country. (Also btw, they may be 'little known' to you but not to the citizens who elected them).

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527877#Comment_121527877

Strange allright to hear the constant calls for a ceasefire in Gaza yet not for one in the Ukraine conflict

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527048#Comment_121527048

I actually do in fact. It sounds like we are very close to capacity for emergency accommodation for refugees. It may well be the case that we have taken in too many Ukrainian people in the last 22 months. Contrary to what is suggested, there can't be too many people in Ireland who think there is room for another 25k or 50k Ukrainians - the capacity clearly isn't there and doesn't look like it will be any time soon.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528015#Comment_121528015

Well yes but if any politician said something like that they would be reprimanded at least and likely called far right. The only opinion allowed from politicians and by the media is unlimited numbers with no planning.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528052#Comment_121528052

Well, I've just read Mary Lou McDonald's interview with the Daily Mail today. She sounds surprisingly hawkish / hardline on the whole Ukrainian refugee issue. I guess she must be feeling the heat, either from party members or constituents.

https://extra.ie/2023/12/22/news/irish-news/ukrainian-refugees-jobs

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527948#Comment_121527948

Once the Israel/Palestinian conflict hit the news Ukraine seems to of disappeared.

950 Ukrainian refugees heading for Kildare shortly, Green field site I think.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528495#Comment_121528495

She is saying something should be done about Ukranians in 2025. She may as well say 2050 for all the good that would do. Also she is not discussing asylum seekers as a whole so Ukranians could be quickly replaced with others even if she followed through to some degree, which she won't.

She seems to be trying to be clever but there is no urgency or substance to what she is saying.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511939#Comment_121511939

Absolutely spot on.

tikka16751

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528758#Comment_121528758

She is running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. Whatever is in vogue she is on it.