Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261850#Comment_120261850

I don't support any illegal immigration.

So my answer is a no.

The fact you can't answer a yes or no makes it obvious you support illegal immigration.

I would love to know why you are in favour of it.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262609#Comment_120262609

What the f uck is this crap. Theres very few workers earning 100 grand.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262613#Comment_120262613

If they are refugees that is fine, no problem taking in genuine refugees, we should be doing that.

However everyone knows there are thousand who are claiming to be refugees who are not, everyone knows there are thousand who are travelling here illegally.

BoxcarWilliam99

Does Roderick OGorman not hold some responsibility for the 10 fold increase in asylum seekers coming from countries around the world.

He and his department put the word out in numerous different languages that Ireland would take in ,house, educate ,give medical treatment and education anyone who wanted to come.

Own door accommodation after 3 months was a particular one.

No wonder some of the other government departments are slow or unwilling to help him

dtothebtotheh

I'll leave it here, but currently, Ireland can not take anyone in, housing, education, healthcare, transport is under pressure. We are losing young Irish people again, and denying them the opportunity to grow, live and have a family in the country they were born in. These are plain facts!

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262608#Comment_120262608

So what level of help should be involved before you don't have to adopt a refugee? And several of the groups at the march work directly with asylum seekers, for everything from legal fees to sanitary products. They are also actively showing the likes of the women and children in ballymun that had a baying mob threatening to burn them out that actually, the vast majority don't feel that way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262609#Comment_120262609

What does that have to do with the moronic viewpoint that if you don't house one, you don't have a right to an opinion.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262583#Comment_120262583

Any idea where the money comes from for the 190k charity employees overheal?

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/ga/faisn%C3%A9is-don-phobal/%C3%A1r-nuacht/2018/july/research-highlights-the-major-social-and-economic-impact-of-registered-irish-charities

Registered Irish charities have an income of €14.5 billion, directly employ 189,000 people and are supported by 300,000 volunteers, according to research on the social and economic impact of charities in Ireland, published today

Jack Daw

I think most people agree that we should take in genuine refugees and legal immigrants.

However if you only extend that far you get labelled as far right and racist which of course is ridiculous.

Very few people are actually opposed to taking in genuine refugees or legal immigrants but the way the media and various NGO's goes on you'd think there was some sort of active campaign by the majority of people in Ireland against anyone being allowed into the country, their isn't and labelling a fairly tolerant nation like Ireland as a bastion of "Far right racist" sentiment is disgusting and should be called out by our elected representatives and media but of course they won;t as their too cowardly to do so.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

Any idea where the money comes from

Usually from sappy commercials "for just 5p a day, you can sponsor a bla bla bla to bla bla bla"

The cherry you picked only tells us what their collective income was, not where that income originated, or even if a penny of it comes directly from the treasury.

From your cherry tree:

"At one end of the scale there are large hospitals and universities with budgets funded by the Exchequer, extending to hundreds of millions of Euro, and hundreds of

paid staff. Many of these are large charities engaged in delivering critical health, education and social services.

"At the other end of the scale, there are completely volunteer-led organisations, providing services at community level, with small budgets."

Plenty of evidence in the report clarifying that there would be numerous, thousands of NGOs even that don't get a dime from the exchequer (along with thousands that do). And the ones being name-shamed in this thread have been the variety that I don't see any evidence of government funding of. Yet they are being painted as scrounging off the government teet, to suit a ragebaiting narrative. The report indicates 47% of NGOs are registered charities which are in fact not government supported.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262667#Comment_120262667

This is a thread about introducing a Zero Refugee Policy.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262667#Comment_120262667

I’m opposed to any refugees being taken in right now as we need a time out to get our house in order, I include Ukrainians

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262649#Comment_120262649

I think you are taking what he said too literally and your response was moronic (There seems to be certain types pushing this, there's loads of space here, come on in narrative, with little or no liability). In a democratic nation, there should be a common consensus on issues such as this, and this is a big f@cking issue, where we haven't had a say in what is currently happening. You can have your opinion, that's fine.

But this labelling people as right wingers or racist for having a different view point is wrong. It's very simple why people are angry, albeit it's directed at immigrants rather than our government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262543#Comment_120262543

Seriously? I just went to Twitter and searched #IrelandForAll

Very first result is from "An Cheile". Taxpayer funded NGO.

"Le Chéile Mentoring is funded by the Department of Justice through the Probation Service. Our Restorative Justice Project receives funding from the Probation Service and Limerick City and County Council."

https://lecheile.ie/about-us/funding-and-governance/

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Another of the first results who were there is from the Women's Council. Also funded by the taxpayer. Granted, they're less crusty-ish than other NGOs, their tweet in question makes me scratch my head:

"As women, we're asking women to come out on Saturday. To stand in solidarity with the women targeted by the anti-refugee protests and to stand up against the misogyny evident at the protests"

So, they're basically marching for women's rights... alongside people demanding the importation of men from countries where women have no rights (as someone articulated so well here earlier).

Do you see any issues here? Do you see any contradictions and potential problems down the line?

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We're also funding something called the "Far-Right Observatory". For the sake of balance, is there a "Far-Left Observatory" receiving our money? I could go on and on with these taxpayer funded NGOs.

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/06/15/far-right-observatory-how-did-an-anonymous-antifascist-organisation-receive-e225000-in-charity-funding

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Here's another (non-NGO) crowd there yesterday. "Irish Anarchist Network":

"We will forever chant no borders, no nations, **** deportations!"

https://twitter.com/acrataireland/status/1627030863744491523

This is the type of intellect we're dealing with. "Open borders". Besides how we'd receive every criminal feeling prosecution in their own countries, what these people fail to realize is that you can't have both open borders AND social welfare. I wonder if they'd change their tune if they knew their dole would eventually disappear. I'm being deadly serious here, too, lol.

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Regardless of what government, NGOs, "socialist" politicians, globalist corporations, marxist college professors, bought-off mainstream media, puppet celebrities etc keep telling you, you will not be living in some multicultural utopia. None of this will end well longer-term. It never does.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262709#Comment_120262709

this is a big f@cking issue, where we haven't had a say in what is currently happening

A bunch of people went out and protested this weekend, was that not an option? You can petition the government for things. And they're elected democratically and all.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262617#Comment_120262617

I'm very happy you can see life in black and white simple terms. Unfortunately most of us realize there's a little more to it than that.

If it's not no it's yes - maybe in 5th class.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

It's a business. They have metrics, bonuses etc. like any other business.

thegame983

Forget the protests for a moment. Serious question - where do we put them all?

We've seen the migrant camps in Calais, the Greek Islands, etc. Is that really what people want here? (we already had migrants sleeping in tents during the winter)

Because we've seen that the government don't really have any interest in building housing regardless of who it is for.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191718#Comment_120191718

unfortunately alot of these protests are hijacked by hate mongers.

My problem with this welcome all to Ireland and houses for everybody is an economic problem. We cannot afford this open border crap.

We have among the highest debt per capita ratios in europe and our servicing of that debt is dependent on multinational corporation tax.

If the ass falls out of the tech / multinational industry in Ireland, all these economic migrants will hop to another country , local irish will be left in poverty.

It's not racism , we cannot afford all these migrants.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262709#Comment_120262709

But this labelling people as right wingers or racist for having a different view point is wrong. It's very simple why people are angry, albeit it's directed at immigrants rather than our government.

I'm not having a go at anyone angry at the government, lots of things I'm angry at them for, but if you choose to associate with hypocrites and racists, rather than dissociate into a separate group, then I have no issue calling you far right.

I've been saying this all along about the "concerned parents" form a group separate from the far right grifters, present your arguments in a logical way, and not only will I hear you out, I might even find some common ground.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262732#Comment_120262732

Yeah, I'll be using my vote alright, not that there's much choice out there. FF & FG are basically EU puppets. Vote no to Lisbon treaty, ah sure we'll just go again, some democracy that.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262723#Comment_120262723

We're also funding something called the "Far-Right Observatory". I could go on and on with these taxpayer funded NGOs.

I dissected this claim, and Gript, at great length in the "dangers coming from the right thread." It's bunk, the sole author of the website has no receipts for the claim, and he himself doesn't publish his own funding stream nor does his website list any staff or editorial body so take that with a healthy tub of salt. (compare his site's 'about us' to some others under examination here, it's a crock.)

Very first result is from "An Cheile". Taxpayer funded NGO.

Do you have the tweet to show at least?

https://lecheile.ie/about-us/

"we work in partnership with the Probation Service, An Garda Siochana, Oberstown Children Detention Campus and other agencies to reduce the level of crime in the community."

They don't seem ✌️ "crusty" ✌️ to me just for posting a hashtag in favor of diversity, equality, inclusion, etc. and I don't know how they used it in their tweet - "#IrelandForAll Women?"

Another of the first results who were there is from the Women's Council. Also funded by the taxpayer. Granted, they're less crusty-ish than other NGOs, their tweet in question makes me scratch my head:

"As women, we're asking women to come out on Saturday. To stand in solidarity with the women targeted by the anti-refugee protests and to stand up against the misogyny evident at the protests"

So, they're basically marching for women's rights... alongside people demanding the importation of men from countries where women have no rights (as someone articulated so well here earlier).

Do you see any issues here? Do you see any contradictions and potential problems down the line?

All sorts of issues there - like continually going off about the 'countries where women have no rights' trope as if all the refugees in Ireland are coming straight out of Saudi Arabia with a machete in one hand and a stone in the other.

I don't see why a womens org wouldn't be in the right to call out mysogony where it happens - in this case defending women who are the target of anti-refugee protests and I quote, " the misogyny evident at the protests." I can only allow them or someone else to expand on what examples of that there were.

https://www.nwci.ie/discover/about_us

Here's another (non-NGO) crowd there yesterday. "Irish Anarchist Network":

Well, we're discussing NGOs, specifically challenging people to differentiate in their outrage between taxpayer funded NGOs, privately funded NGOs and, now as you mention, non-NGOs entirely.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262754#Comment_120262754

It comes down to maths at the end of the day, the left can demand unicorns all they want but “ homes for all “ is a fairytale slogan, we have to make decisions like adults, not children

Beasty

hynesie08 threadbanned

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262757#Comment_120262757

My logic is, Ireland is at crisis point, it has been for years regarding housing, health, education, public services. We had approximately 25k new builds in 2022 with approx 100k net immigration, we are losing doctors, nurses, teachers, police, etc as they cannot afford to live here and have no quality of life. In my mind it's pretty straight forward. How can we be taking in so many people and expect us to just cope, with the same infrastructure?

The great replacement is happening. It would make you wonder why the Irish government pushed Irish culture (language, sport, history) in school, just to effectively replace it with migrants. Again I want to reiterate, I am not anti immigration, and bare no grudge against somebody coming here for a better life. However immigration has to be controlled, for various reasons, and to help integration of said immigrants. That is not happening.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262791#Comment_120262791

I've to jump off, but I'll finish with this, as this is one of the major crux of the whole debate:

If you think continually importing thousands and thousands of migrants (from countries and cultures where women are considered second class citizens and LGBT+ is completely illegal and very offensive to their religion) is going to end well, then go ahead. Keep advocating for it.

There's going to be serious conflict and fallout here down the line, but so long as people can virtue signal and not be labelled a "racist" for pointing out uncomfortable truths, then that conflict and fallout is a price worth paying, right?

Nothing personal against you or anyone else; just giving my opinion. G'luck.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262411#Comment_120262411

In fairnes if you're counting that 'gathering' as 'hundreds' Ireland probably does look full to you.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262869#Comment_120262869

Which is to say don't get bogged down in misplace outrage at "government funded NGOs" (that aren't)

And actually petition your government of legislators for a sane fact-based immigration/asylum policy structure that will work for the looming mass migration crisis.

I'd love to send all the climate refugees to the mega ranches and mansions of the oil oligarchy myself. Perhaps there'd be no such crisis if we didn't have nearly half a century of suppressed scientific knowledge about fuels and climate change.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262881#Comment_120262881

What are you on about? There has been "petitioning" it's all over the news, people have been petitioning against successive governments for as long as I can remember, which has always fallen on deaf ears. Out of interest, do you actually live in Ireland?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262881#Comment_120262881

The NGOs are a huge problem. Country is infested with them. There's no misplaced outrage and most of them there yesterday were employees or affiliates of said NGOs.

Here's the African lady from the United Nations making a joke about how everybody in Ireland must be a member of an NGO. Are you?

https://twitter.com/ChrisHahn411/status/1610656131424067585

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262881#Comment_120262881

"I'd love to send all the climate refugees to the mega ranches and mansions of the oil oligarchy myself. Perhaps there'd be no such crisis if we didn't have nearly half a century of suppressed scientific knowledge about fuels and climate change."

What's the relevancy here to immigration issues in Ireland?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262938#Comment_120262938

A UN lady made a joke one time

Therefore anyone within farting distance of someone affiliated with an NGO is an employee of an NGO?

50,000 people at the protest have you reviewed even 10,000 paystubs to verify that claim yet? Three paystubs? There's as much effort to this as a typical 'paid crisis actors' allegation.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

The vast majority comes from donations and non state funding

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262961#Comment_120262961

Do you have anything to back up that statement? Or where the money actually comes from?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262723#Comment_120262723

what? A project based in Limerick organised a march in Dublin? You dont seem to really know what you are talking about

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262824#Comment_120262824

Not anti immigration but repeating mantras about an anti immigration conspiracy theory. ok.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262961#Comment_120262961

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262973#Comment_120262973

From the link

"The research shows that the Government and public bodies are the largest source of income for registered charities accounting for more than half the total funding (€7.7 billion)."

Of 14.5 billion euro.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262996#Comment_120262996

5,746 charities, wow, incredible.

If you have a read of that article, it really doesn't tell you much at all. Expenditure of 25 billion, an income of 14.5 billion, the government & public bodies (tax payer) pay 7.7 billion. Where's the extra 10.5 billion?

"Indecon estimates that if account is taken of organisations that did not report their financial data, this figure could rise to €6 billion " hmm....not reporting financial data, that would be a legal issue for a private company.

What about all the tax deductible donations, it's not mentioned there. Post something better.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263060#Comment_120263060

I am not the original poster of the article:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263030#Comment_120263030

Apparently a "normal" Irishman is a far right, white nationalist, conspiracy theorist. who knew.🤣

Gen.Zhukov

Just 2 of the NGO's - Not bothered doing anymore

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263153#Comment_120263153

What? That organisation is absolutely nothing to do with mentoring in Limerick or probation services or restorative justice. Sorry but you got mixed up.

https://lecheile.ie/

https://lecheilednd.com/

Overheal

Out of interest, just how 'popular' or 'normal' is GRT belief in Ireland?

https://www.thejournal.ie/far-right-presence-ireland-covid-nationalists-5208949-Sep2020/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/great-replacement-the-conspiracy-theory-that-inspires-mass-killers-and-the-irish-far-right-41668338.html

Freight bandit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263195#Comment_120263195

"and challenge the nascent and dangerous far-right."

If anything they come across as the looney bins...imagining championing unvetted males dumped into communities many after destroying their passports... it won't end well

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263232#Comment_120263232

... it won't end well

Paranoia. And counterfactual.

YFlyer

Some far right group decided to drown out the vigil for the girl in Offaly that was killed.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262938#Comment_120262938

This may not be as strange as it sounds. Ireland is one of the leading countries in the world for charities and for providing overseas aid. We are ranked as the No. 1 country in Europe for donations to charity (much of this may well be rooted in the work of Catholic missions in the past). It actually wouldn't surprise me if there are more NGOs per capita in Ireland than in other countries.

Freight bandit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263243#Comment_120263243

Given the trends across Europe I'd say its safe to say it won't end well

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263222#Comment_120263222

Sensationalist rubbish. Conspiracy and misinformation comes from all sides. The "far right" in Ireland? Ireland must be one of the least politically aware countries in the developed world, hence FF & FG in power🤣.

Our politicians are more concerned about bending over for the US and EU, than they are about the people they're supposed to represent.

Mr. teddywinkles

The ONLY thing that's going to show up this shitshow up is when the money runs out. That's when reality kicks in and believe me it will. As sure as night follows day. Oh look it's the housing crash except with charities and fake virtual signals this time.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263259#Comment_120263259

We're so generous, we bankrupted our own country paying unsecured bonds. Great bunch of lads. We lost close to 500k of our own people after the GFC.