Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625975#Comment_121625975

I did read it. Again the only mention of anything even close to what you posted that they claimed is this:

Another local resident, Geraldine Hough, said they were against what the Government was doing in relation to housing the asylum seekers in the hotel. She was critical of how the gardaí brought the children through the protest yesterday.

“They did not make it safe for kids to come in here. They bulldozed their way here and they were blaming us for it, but it was the guards and the public order unit. They pulled kids into the middle of it,” she said…

That’s a long way from claiming that Gardaí pulled women and children off the bus and pushed them into the crowd.

You clearly did make it up, but it doesn’t matter, because it’s been established now without doubt that it just didn’t happen, regardless of whomever made the claims.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625998#Comment_121625998

burst badly how? if you're someone who doesn't really give a sh*t who lives here and are doing ok in life, what are you supposed to be worried about?

Goldengirl

Lol , theatrics on one side but totally believable , of course , on the other !

Did you see the three marching with their boxes of goodies down the Avenue, nobody getting in their way or pushing and shoving like the crowd did yesterday , and they turned to look at the cameras at the door?

I hope its genuine for the sake of the poor people inside Racket Hall .

But I also believe that you cannot say one is genuine and the other a setup, unless you are very disingenuous .

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625998#Comment_121625998

These typecasting posts 😂😂 is this a new thing?

Brilliant!

Childless Loners it seems.

What's next? Dehumanisation?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626007#Comment_121626007

I support Maguire and Patterson!

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626021#Comment_121626021

Doesn't matter I know what was said. And i know it must be hard for you to have to nit pick small differences in wording. Anyhow what happened yesterday has added more to the credibility of the residents of Roscrea than incompetent government and totally incompetent ministers. Anyway someday you might be able to accept sometime your wrong.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625686#Comment_121625686

The narrative on the usual suspects' social media before the arrival of the women and children was that it was single men being bussed in .

Doubt they would have had many 'normal ' women protesting families , and the type of parents that would take children to a protest like that , frankly, must be extreme sort of nutters .

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625401#Comment_121625401

The government did this with the intention of making the locals look like far right racists.

Why, what exactly does that achieve for The government?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625998#Comment_121625998

I related a tale yesterday of talking to my racist anti immigrant protesting friend. But no one wanted to talk about it.

Today he sent me on links trying to demonstrate how COVID vaccines could be picked up by a dog micro chip scanner

After you also into the COVID conspiracy stuff or is it only the anti immigrant stuff you are into?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625998#Comment_121625998

I'm not so sure about that. Online discussions and fora are of course outraged about immigration but there's a huge swathe of people not that outraged. It's divisive and polarised. I don't think there us a consensus on it.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626071#Comment_121626071

I know what you claimed was said by two women interviewed on Drivetime too, it wasn’t. I know what you claimed was written in an Irish Times article, turns out it wasn’t. It’s not small differences in wording, there’s a fairly significant difference between what you tried to insinuate, and what actually happened, and it’s done nothing for the credibility of the protesters whom you supported already.

As for the whole deal you made of them bringing clothes and toys, I couldn’t give a shyte, they can throw their crap on the fires they have burning to keep themselves warm. What they’re doing is beneath contempt, and they know it too. It’s not a new tactic:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souperism

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625851#Comment_121625851

What a mess and everyone to blame here .

If that really is the case they are feeling guilty now and rightly so. They look like a right shower .

They would have kicked up until they knew it was families so saying that the family shouldn't have been walked in is a bit humbug.

Maybe they should have been informed that there were children present beforehand, (don't know if they were ?) but would they have believed without seeing it for themselves .

We will never know now and those poor kids are traumatised anew .

It's bad on all sides tbh . 😡

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626140#Comment_121626140

Perhaps you should have a long hard think to who is really Taking the soup in this country at the present time.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625871#Comment_121625871

It's not just bad, it's pretty unforgivable.

Let's call it ...all of these protests and protestors ...blockading , racist commentary , filming gardaí and other public workers without their permission, deciding who comes and who goes , threatening violence and arson .

All the that the rest if the people of Roscrea have done has been ruined by these absolute idiots .

And you can be sure that they have been made aware of that today and that is why we have these women bringing their boxes ..on the walk of shame ...Shame on them !

We cannot normalise behaviour like that and say oh it's ok they are giving them clothes etc . This is out there disgusting degenerate behaviour , intimidating and shouting at people who are vulnerable .

Go fxxxin protest up in Dublin a few Saturdays in a row like people do when they want their voices heard . It has worked for other groups who use democratic peaceful protest .

But then there were large numbers at those public protests.. visibly decent voters and their families.

Any protest that is not safe for a family is not peaceful or democratic imo.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121625457#Comment_121625457

They were brought from somewhere else they weren't on the streets or anything like it

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626185#Comment_121626185

I don’t need to think about it at all because it’s not relevant to what those protesters were doing in leaving clothes and toys for the families in accommodation, while at the same time protesting about them being accommodated there.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626236#Comment_121626236

So you didn't bother to listen to what the women said they were protesting about. You seem to be stating what you think they are protesting about. If you had bothered to listen or read the interview you wouldn't be stating this about them buying clothes.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626212#Comment_121626212

I don’t think it’s acceptable how to tell people how to protest. It’s not really a protest then it’s just a gathering with some signs.

it’s also not inappropriate to film anyone in public when there is of course a chance that false accusations could be leveled on someone at anytime.

Has there been any opinion polls or commentary from people from roscrea condemning or disagreeing with the protestors?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626282#Comment_121626282

I listened to them being interviewed, I read the articles, it’s why I said I don’t care about them buying clothes. If they were leaving clothes and toys without attaching terms and conditions or thinking they had any rights to call the shots, then I might be more inclined to see their actions as a gesture of good will, and not the pithy attempt to portray themselves as being kind 😒

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626138#Comment_121626138

You think that immigration isn't the major issue for most people in the country at the moment?

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626322#Comment_121626322

But they stated that they have no bad feelings towards the refugees and the protest and there anger is directed solely at the government. Lack of services in the area and definitely the loss of the only operating hotel for both functions and jobs is a massive point.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626357#Comment_121626357

Its minor. The situation in Gaza brought thousands of people to the streets of Dublin last weekend to protest with most of the major political parties represented.

Immigration won't do that.

mauries wigs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626017#Comment_121626017

The odd gathering - and well behaved too. Not climbing all over sacred national monuments , marching on armistice day , abusing and assaulting the police , glorifying Terrorism.

like night and day behaviour wise.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626357#Comment_121626357

I would suggest it isn't anyway. This has hardly energised the public - there's a huge amount of noise and shouting on social media but it's doesn't seem to be feeding into the national discourse in a significant way.

It was striking to see a UK poll recently where British people listed immigration as only the fourth most important issue facing the country, this despite a right wing government and right wing press banging on all the time about 'stopping the boats'.

queueeye

Asylum seeker, (chancer) from Egypt on prime time RTE 1. Egypt is a safe country as far as I know! Correct me if I’m wrong.

Apparently he paid 10 grand to get here, the govt supporting the human trafficking industry. Great bunch of lads!

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626385#Comment_121626385

Oh I'm fully in support of the cause of Palestinian's in Gaza and the West Bank, however I expect that politicians will be hearing about immigration on the door steps far more than Gaza. The gig is up, it's the lead story on the news, Prime Time, on all the papers and now Mayo CC have voted to withdraw cooperation with the Dept of Integration. People have had enough

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626397#Comment_121626397

What has the UK got to do with us, 75% of people in the most recent Red C poll in this country said we're taking in too many immigrants.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626367#Comment_121626367

Are Government figures being accommodated in the hotel or something? Because if they’re not, then protesting outside accommodation centres isn’t just pointless, it’s an attempt to intimidate the residents who are being accommodated there. Who are those protesters to say who the hotel should and shouldn’t accommodate? The owners of the hotel are entitled to run the business in accordance with Irish law as they see fit.

The protesters are aiming their ire at the wrong target and hoping to gain sympathy from the general public. I have no sympathy for them. They should do like normal people have always done and protest outside of Leinster House:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/disability-activists-in-tears-over-proposals-to-change-welfare-payments-1561759.html

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626357#Comment_121626357

I think it's a major issue yes but for most people.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626444#Comment_121626444

Yes Irish citizens should have a say about concerns and lack of services in their own communities. Protesting outside Leinster House is a total waste of time. Its the total sh£t show that the government has made of immigration policy that's leading to the unrest refugees are seeing. Fair play to the protesters and hopefully we see alot more protesting and obstruction of accommodation for refugees until this farce is brought till a stop.