Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632265#Comment_121632265

Good luck with trying to opt out of our international refugee obligations 'because it will put extra pressure on local services'. If that is the case, every country in Europe could decide to opt out of all refugee treaties and not take any refugees at all. Refugees by their very nature are a burden on their host country i.e. they're vulnerable and don't have any money or possessions : that's the whole point of offering them shelter, doing it because it's the right thing to do.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632290#Comment_121632290

They have 100s of millions of cars because they have a bigger population than us, they have something like 180 car owners per 1000 people there. Most people there get around by public transport. Honestly the China thing is like "small, far away" from Father Ted with you people.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632291#Comment_121632291

We can deport them in large numbers,like the danish who deport 40 % of failed asylum seekers and increasing and they push the other to leave,

Why can't we do it ,

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632293#Comment_121632293

So why are we being pushed to give up our cars for bicycles but yet china has 319 million cars , Emmon loves China but hates his own .....

Wonder when he gets his ideas

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632297#Comment_121632297

You're wrong there. We ask the failed asylum seekers to leave nicely and they deffo leave! They wouldn't lie to us

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632301#Comment_121632301

i mean if you can't figure that out for yourself, if you can't figure out why we can't just keep focusing on planning everything around private car ownership, you're just not smart enough to discuss these things

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632306#Comment_121632306

Not everyone tows the government lines

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632265#Comment_121632265

It won’t have an effect. Whether anyone believes that or not is entirely their own business, but those facts were established long before there was ever any increase in asylum seekers. Those people who are trying to claim asylum seekers are adding any additional pressure are doing so only to serve their own interests. That’s why their rhetoric isn’t actually resonating with the general public, precisely because people aren’t that gullible.

I’ve never said there’s nothing to see here, people were seeing the issues long before a small cohort latched onto the issues in order to promote their own interests.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632297#Comment_121632297

I would have no particular issue with deporting anyone who is an 'economic migrant' and who is just trying to better themselves and bypass the visa system. But by all accounts, the majority of asylum seekers are genuine refugees and fit the criteria of being one....definitely in the region of 60%-70% of them according to official stats.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632305#Comment_121632305

Yeah they leave,how do you they leave oh because there not here ,who says they are not here???,

because .....

There not .....

This has actually been discussed exactly like this .....

Another poster claimed his dad works in the Aer Corp and they fly the Deportation flights hence why he knows that they actually leave.......

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632349#Comment_121632349

The figures are probably worse those are only the ones coming through Dublin airport,

The same government who are one stage had a 75 % refusal rate of asylum several years later ohhh it's 70/80% there all genuine.....

That was quite the script flip ,

What's next we have deported tens of thousands of failed asylum seekers over the last 30 years, nope less than 2000 or so over 30 years in which there was north of 20,000 some years coming from Nigeria alone

minimary

When people get to the stage of having a deportation order against them, they have nothing to lose, you will essentially be barred from getting a visa anywhere else because it will be seen as a risk to that country that you'll apply for asylum there. We should offer an alternative to people and say to them if you provide us with evidence that you have left the State within a week we will not issue a deportation decision against you.

The State should also withdraw any support (accommodation, allowance etc.) from people who have had a negative decision for IP and subsidary protection, we shouldn't be subsidising living costs for people who have had negative decisions against them we have obligations and I believe we should fulfil those obligations but once multiple negative decisions have been issued, its not the States obligation.

Leave to remain should only be granted where someone can prove that they can support themselves and their families independently without State support. Any petition received from a community that wants someone to be granted leave to remain should have a guarantor who will assume the financial obligation to support the person/persons if they can't support themselves or that the community will have raised the average cost of support for a period of 5 years and gift that to the State.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632381#Comment_121632381

There's something like 800 +currently living in DP despite being allowed to stay here but yet we are still funding their stays , dp is so shocking terrible but yet can't get people to leave...

There should be zero option Deportation order and Deported within 24 hours ,

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632379#Comment_121632379

That was quite the script flip

As script flips go, while claiming that a rise of 40% in rejected claims for asylum being deported from Denmark, that’s ignoring the fact that the approval rates for applicants seeking asylum has risen to 74%:

The success rate (recognition rate) from Immigration Service (first instance) has moved up and down a lot during recent years. In 2015 it reached a record high of 85%, in 2020 it dropped to 44%, and in 2021 it was 59%.

During the first 9 months of 2023, 74% of the applicants were granted asylum. However, the percentage includes both newcomers and people who already had a residence permit but applied for asylum later. They are called 'remotely registered' and form around 40% of the applicants. Out of the 1,020 who were granted asylum, the municipalities have only received 409 new refugees (besides Ukrainians). During the same period, 40 refugees have had their permits revoked.

http://refugees.dk/en/facts/numbers-and-statistics/what-are-the-chances-of-being-granted-asylum/

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632395#Comment_121632395

What's that

In 2021, UNHCR urged Denmark to reform its asylum system, stating that it is ‘concerned with the pace and scope of the restrictions introduced over the years to restrict asylum space’.

Meanwhile, the deportation rate is rising: in 2020, 18.5% of rejected asylum seekers meant to be deported were sent out of the country, but by 2022, that percentage climbed to 40.5%.

Gatling

We really should adopt the Danish model , rather than this free for all while trying to blame the far right and misinformation

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632401#Comment_121632401

Come on now Gatling, you’re not stupid. Compare what the two different statements are saying about two different things:

Approval rate: 74%

Deportation rate: 40%

There are significantly less deportations happening than there are approvals, with 40% of those approved already residing in Denmark (ie not subject to deportation).

That 40% figure you’re hanging your hat on breaks down like this:

How many leave?

Without a residence permit

In 2022, a total of 222 rejected persons left Denmark, out of these 79 were accompanied/by force and 142 'seen leaving' which means that the police put you on a plane but doesn't accompany. This is not many, considering that 548 were in a position where they are supposed to leave, after a final rejection. Most of the rejected can't be deported for various reasons, even if the Return Agency is trying their best. A large part of the ones who are rejected disappear from the system – trying again in other countries or going under ground. Only very few return to their home countries. 

http://refugees.dk/en/facts/numbers-and-statistics/how-many-return-home-again/

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632415#Comment_121632415

No .

Sure I read that they don't deport anyone it's like the UK apparently,,,,,

Not

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632421#Comment_121632421

What do you mean no? The actual figures for the number of applicants who are successfully deported is right there in front of you. A 40% success rate amounting to 200 failed asylum seekers being deported, is nothing compared to the amount of asylum seeker applicants who are successful.

The UK Government too have tried the same nonsense of massaging statistics to try and claim they too have taken a tough stance on asylum seekers, but there again too the figures speak for themselves:

LONDON — It’s official: net migration to the U.K. is at an all-time high.

New figures published Thursday show migration added 606,000 people to the U.K.’s population in 2022 — the highest number on record.

The data from the Office for National Statistics is likely to prompt fresh criticism of the governing Conservatives, who promised in their 2019 election manifesto to ensure “overall numbers come down” at a time when net migration stood at 226,000.

The rise also comes three years after Britain left the EU touting more control over arrivals through a “points-based” system in place of the bloc’s free movement of people.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told ITV Thursday: “Numbers are too high, it’s as simple as that and I want to bring them down.” Labour accused him of having “no grip on immigration.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/three-years-after-britain-left-eu-net-migration-never-been-higher-brexit/

They’re really in no different a position than Ireland, in spite of their respective Governments attempts to claim that they’ve gotten tough on immigration.

Gatling

Let's look at the UK ,no ..

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/about-550-asylum-seekers-in-denmark-waiting-to-be-deported-with-rejection-rates-at-the-lowest-since-2009/

So as of July 2023 there was only 180 applications for asylum in Denmark,but yet somehow in 2023 they Deported 200 ...

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632438#Comment_121632438

I dunno what you mean by let’s look at the UK, no… but from your own link even:

The Ministry has stressed that the number of rejected asylum applications has significantly decreased from 1,155 registered at the end of 2020 to about 550 two years later, based on the figures from the Home Travel Agency, accounting for the lowest number since 2 009.

And of those 550 whose claims have been rejected, only 200 have been successfully deported. That’s where the figure of 40% successfully deported comes from. Not only has the numbers of rejected claims decreased, the numbers of successful deportations isn’t actually that high in comparison to the number of claims approved, which has been increasing, and likely will continue to increase in coming years.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632184#Comment_121632184

It's about time you stopped believing in fairy tales. Explain to me then what dental services will these people use, unless immigrants don’t need dentists.

You still never answered if you still stand by your statement that the thousands upon thousands of immigrants that have entered the country are not adding to the collapse and strain on all services.

Do you really believe that they don't

mauries wigs

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/herald/man-is-accused-of-running-six-brothels-from-flats-in-dublin/39648937.html

Egyptian asylum seeker Given residency last year by mcentee

thoughts?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632290#Comment_121632290

This post has a touch of the old casual racism thrown in.

Classy.

mauries wigs

They should get him on the tonight show to plead his innocence

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632601#Comment_121632601

Asylum seeker, residency, criminality and McEntee. These words are going to become very common in sentences in the near future.

And what is going to happen here. Not deportation that should be implemented soon as possible.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632606#Comment_121632606

Great sketch on Father Ted. Absolutely hilarious.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121628824#Comment_121628824

The government should send more asylum seekers and Ukrainians there in that case.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629388#Comment_121629388

Just vote only for the candidates you prefer not some Jack ass Me Hole or Eamonn Ryan who got in after multiple transfers .

thomas 123

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41311549.html

140K + per bed. Currently student accommodation.

Some scary figures in that article also:

"

That comparison exercise is based on the medium current average daily rate of €78 a night and the high average daily rate of €111 a night in serviced accommodation and is used to calculate the cost of accommodating 390 IPAs over a five to 30-year period.

As comparison, the cost of purchasing the complex at the market value of €57m and a yearly current expenditure outlay of €5m each year for maintenance over the five to 30-year period is also included.

It shows after five years, the cost of the centre if purchased would be €82m — in comparison to €55.5m at the medium average cost and €79m at the high average cost.

"