Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

mauries wigs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667478#Comment_121667478

Wait I thought there was still a war in Ukraine ?? Why does he want them to all go back suddenly ?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666642#Comment_121666642

A local blow in, nonetheless.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666488#Comment_121666488

Any resident in the local area is local, by the very definition of the term!

Which nationalities qualify as local, in your opinion?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663302#Comment_121663302

I can sort of see where he is coming from though. Refugees by their very nature tend not to bother with things like borders or immigration laws or passports etc...thinking you can make the refugee crisis go away by simply passing new laws is very naïve. I think he's just trying to be realistic and saying that a pure 'law and order' solution and nothing else is not going to have much effect on the movement of refugees from one country to another.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668431#Comment_121668431

Any nationality you want , there fixed that for you .

Unvetted care workers in Tulsa !!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41313403.html

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667549#Comment_121667549

Have that Ukrainian family been vetted though? No they haven't. What's the differ between that Ukrainian family and another family claiming asylum?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667953#Comment_121667953

Maybe he listened to the people that are constantly going on about how if Ukrainians can go back for Christmas there mustn't be a war on.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668728#Comment_121668728

Sure a asylum seeker with no qualifications or vetting got himself a job with the HSE as a child psychologist,

queueeye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669066#Comment_121669066

O’Gorman is more interested in the non existent wars raging in Albania, Georgia, Nigeria etc. You know, the safe countries!

mauries wigs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669066#Comment_121669066

Ukranians aren’t exotic enough for rod maybe ?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667478#Comment_121667478

I disagree with the idea of us paying them to go home - in the same way as I object to the notion that we should pay to support people still in these countries.

They got themselves here (across half the comtinent), they can get themselves home. We can't provide enough homes for our own people.. why should we be paying for random others?

As I keep saying. Charity begins at home. Maybe once we've fixed all our own issues we can start thinking about the issues of other countries!

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670239#Comment_121670239

100% Kaiser. Look after our first.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670239#Comment_121670239

The biggest issue there is if you set a precedent like that you then have to pay every failed asylum seeker or deportee similar money to leave the country,

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670302#Comment_121670302

The government seems to have a never ending money tree for foreigners, yet there a kids with scoliosis getting worse and worse that they refuse to sort out, leading to more expensive treatments and a lot more pain for the sufferer in the future.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670302#Comment_121670302

Cheaper I think than providing a Council House etc if the state has to support them.

Augme

Given the refusal rates for those countries he cant be that interested in them.

queueeye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670632#Comment_121670632

What good is a refusal when deportations aren’t enforced?

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121657451#Comment_121657451

You don't say?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/dramatic-drop-in-footfall-in-kerry-town-is-due-to-a-significant-influx-of-refugees/ar-BB1hf7gB

But nothing to see here according to some NGO adjacent people.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666696#Comment_121666696

Shocking isn't it?

_Kaiser_

So, seeing as bullying communities into accepting all and sundry into their areas hasn't worked, let's try bribery...

Communities that have taken in a significant number of Ukrainian refugees and asylum seekers are set to receive up to €500,000 for the refurbishment of buildings, development of parks and playgrounds.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41316775.html

... You'd definitely know there were elections on the way, wouldn't you?!

jack of all

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672988#Comment_121672988

Oh yes, you are probably refering to "self deporting"....

tom23

Lucky didn’t. even got an NGO for himself.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672988#Comment_121672988

How many people have been deported over the last 30 years, some countries are deporting thousands per year, every year ,

Carlito Brigantes Tale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673117#Comment_121673117

Next to nothing. We are a complete joke when it comes to enforcement of getting rid of these chancers.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673117#Comment_121673117

A bit of googling and you should find the answer.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-reception-centres-6282026-Jan2024/

In the one article we get admission from govt that:

Ukraine is safe enough to return to

Our high social welfare offering is why so many were coming here

Refugees are moving into the private housing market (thereby competing with Irish people during a housing crisis)

Most of Asylum seekers are coming from designated safe countries

Fùck me…it’s almost as if people have been saying all of those things for two years and were dismissed for spreading “far right” myths…all true

And now, when the horse has bolted and died of old age, and now rotting on the ground, now these decide they want to exercise some common sense and close the stable door

It would nearly be amusing if it wasn’t so bloody serious and they hadn’t wasted billions of taxpayer funds. Utter moronic turkeys the lot of them. Same goes for those in this thread cheerleading them all along.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673314#Comment_121673314

The damage this government has done, we'll feel the ripples for years, decades to come

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673314#Comment_121673314

I find it hard to believe that refugees are buying houses. There was a report on Tuesday saying that couples with a combined income of €80,000 a year cannot afford to take out a new mortgage in Ireland (and a situation that has certainly not been caused by immigration either).

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673354#Comment_121673354

They don’t have to be buying houses - the rental market is also incredibly competitive at the moment, perfect time to add 150,000 people into the mix

Myopic doesn’t cover it

Easy to see that the cabinet are all home owners sitting pretty. Wouldn’t even occur to them to consider what are the knock on effects for the non propertied and those under thirty. No, what’s more important is demonstrating to everyone what a wonderful moral person you are (easy when there’s nothing at risk for you) and pontificate to all dissenters. Couldn’t be that they’re being sold short by their country, no, they’re all just horrible racists

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673345#Comment_121673345

This is the biggest issue really.

The country has been changed irrevocably by this misadventure over the last 2 years.

In reality what will happen next is those already here (Ukrainians or otherwise) will be allowed remain as long as they want at taxpayer expense, and when they have been here long enough, McEntee or her successor will seal the deal with a citizenship ceremony and puff piece on RTE thus making them our responsibility permanently. We've seen it happen numerous times already. I see no evidence of anything different in the future.

Meanwhile, communities which have had hundreds of people parachuted into their midst will continue to deal with the fallout of increased strain on housing, GP and hospital access, school places and all the other pressures that are an obvious (to all except those making the decisions) result of this.

The other result of this is the further polarisation and division of our society with the ongoing idiocy of calling anyone who questions the situation as "far right" - thank you America once again for exporting your social problems to the easily influenced!

We now live in a country where reasonable questions are ignored, misrepresented or demonised, and a Government seeking to formalise this arrangement with its imminent "hurt feelings" legalisation - McEntee once again!

But ultimately Ireland will never be the same, and while immigration and social change can certainly be a good and welcome thing, too much too soon - without planning, discussion or even logic - can be disastrous as we've now seen.

The problems we've seen are only the beginning. In another decade or so we'll be in the same position as countries like the UK, Germany or France. No I'm not clairvoyant, but I know that Ireland isn't special and we won't somehow magically escape the same outcomes - if anything they may well be worse given the distinct lack of quality in our TDs and their tendency to make a situation that much worse by not only repeating the mistakes of those others, but adding an "Irish twist" to compound them.

I did say several years back though that immigration would be the key electoral issue yet with the way we were heading, and that FG are even more dangerous in Government than even FF - which is why they're never elected on their own merit but as a protest vote, and only until they remind us why that is...... And here we are!

Our country has always been far from perfect - too limited by a "need" for approval or validation by our betters (whether it be keeping up with the neighbours or subservience to our "friends" in the EU), too parochial (rarely thinking beyond our own gate or immediate family), and too quick to hand over the reins (to the Church, then the EU), but at least we did previously have some level of input and control over the direction of things... Now we have overpaid TDs who forget they represent us signing us up for things we weren't asked about and which they have no mandate for, and a country falling apart in many ways while they do so.

Charity and welcoming others in need is all very noble and worthwhile... But not when it comes at the expense of those asked to support that generosity, and not when the consequences are so severe that the fundamental social contract is jeapordised in the process which is exactly where we find ourselves.

Unfortunately though, as I said at the start of this post, things are already beyond the point of return. Now all we can do is try to control the damage and deal with the changes that will inevitably result - most of which will unfortunately be negative as we've seen elsewhere.

The Ireland we knew is gone. The only thing we can do is remember how we got here and use our limited say in proceedings wisely over the next year or so.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673562#Comment_121673562

I would agree that there are major strains on the rental market. But these strains have been around for ten years at least, including at a time when net immigration was at zero. Identifying demand as the problem in the rental market and not supply is a slightly bizarre way of looking at things.