Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755121#Comment_121755121

Asylum seekers are working in the health service though as they can get work permits. I know a good few asylum seekers and refugees who work as carers, health care assistants and nurses.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752247#Comment_121752247

Forever. If no other party takes a difference stance, why change?

You're right Blue, we should all just vote for FG - they're just amazeballs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757805#Comment_121757805

What are you suggesting? That we crash the economy so that anyone with ambition leaves the country to work abroad?

I think that's happening already

There would be spare houses then, but it wouldnt stop asylum immigration...

Not with FG at the helm anyway and Rodders can follow through on his promise for own door accommodation after 4 mths with those spare houses

...and there would be no tax money to fund services anyway.

Govt have thrown endless billions at asylum seekers and UKR refugees (from Ukraine directly, and from other EU safe countries after they realised how soft and incompetent Ireland's' Govt was) so you might be right with no tax money to fund services as Govt have pissed so much away unnecessarily

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758063#Comment_121758063

I didnt say FG were amazeballs, I said if there is no other party taking a different stance, there is not an option for people to vote differently.

If you disagree, tell me whom they would vote for?

If you had any experience of multinational activity in Ireland, you would realise there are tens of thousands of irish folks working in high paid roles as a direct result of FDI, in Ireland!

All of those jobs could easily be moved abroad....then you would see your brain drain.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755917#Comment_121755917

I think our trailer park culture is well and truly happening, and specifically for Irish people finding themselves out on their own

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757935#Comment_121757935

We are still a lightly populated country.

The only mistake, and it is a huge one, is not building infrastructure in line with population increase.

We can catch up on that front.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758980#Comment_121758980

It will take years if we’re committed to taking 15000 asylum seekers a year

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759087#Comment_121759087

Is that 15k before or after family reunification and before they start having loads of kids, as is usual in these communities?

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758949#Comment_121758949

Ireland Independent party a growing party maybe an option. The number of Irish who left and returned in recent years differs by 1-2 thousand only .

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/02/12/td-michael-fitzmaurice-becomes-third-to-join-independent-ireland-political-party/

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755723#Comment_121755723

On asylum seekers Denmark has taken substantially less than Ireland in the past few years .

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1171340/number-of-asylum-seekers-in-denmark/

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760632#Comment_121760632

The Irish Independent Party may be an option for some indeed. But realistically, how many candidates will they field and how many seats could they potentially win?

Can't see it being more than 2 or 3.

Yes, there is not much of a difference betwwen irish emigrants and immigrants, but if there were no good jobs to come back to, it would be a different story.

We need to keep the good jobs we have in Ireland and in order to do that, we need to attract skilled migrants from Europe, US, India etc, otherwise the talent pool for the MNCs would make locating here unviable. Its common sense.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761714#Comment_121761714

You're conflating legal immigrants with asylum seekers and refugees.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761816#Comment_121761816

I am not.

Some folks are calling for a cap on all migration. I am pointing out how stupid and self-damaging that policy would be.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756634#Comment_121756634

On the question of why are we so dependent on foreign staff in certain sectors? Well Tesco are now actively interviewing in IPAS centres so any Irish person going for the same jobs will be at a disadvantage as they're more likely to know employment law or have access to people who do and are willing to advocate on their behalf. Also IPAS have their accommodation and food neds met, so don't have those expenses compared to Irish workers and are more likely to take up those jobs.

To paraphrase the Central Bank, more immigration is needed to keep wages down.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761826#Comment_121761826

It's called muddying the waters, there is an immigration thread, this is the zero refugee thread. I realise it can be confusing at times, but you have to pay attention to the thread you're posting in.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761867#Comment_121761867

People in this very thread have posted about halting all migration.

Read the posts.

I am absolutley aware there is a difference between skilled migrant labour and asylum migration, but some folks on this thread are calling for BOTH to be stopped.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761889#Comment_121761889

The only people in this thread who I’ve seen “advocate” for halting all migration are the open borders posters trying to muddy the waters.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761889#Comment_121761889

I haven't read any posts calling for a halt to all migration. If there were, it would be very much an outlier opinion.

Everybody recognises we need inward migration to plug empty roles of skilled positions. Some posters (many) believe we don't require masses of unskilled labour to 'keep wages down'.

Refugees are another category of migrants. Some probably do have skills, many probably do not.

Imo, since we are already in a massive bloc of freedom of movement with over 440 million persons, we should fully tap into that resource before even contemplating giving refugees access to our labour market.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763064#Comment_121763064

I see your point, but if the refugees are already here and are willing and able to work, why would we not want them to do so?

They would them be able to pay their own way, for a start.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763069#Comment_121763069

Well they'd be essentially skipping the queue of eu nationals for jobs. Additionally it creates a perverse incentive: forgo combersome migration rules by arriving here as a tourist and then claim asylum. Maybe after x number of years they could be given employment rights. But i'd prefer a delay so as to dissuade them from pursing that route : claiming asylum as an economic migrant.

I'd also input some language requirements.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763156#Comment_121763156

Yes, there would have to be a pre req steps in place. Succesful Refugee application, language skills etc. No shortcuts, but there should be some kind of pathway.

Overall, we arent going to get away with not housing refugees and once the real problems in Africa start, global asylum migration is going to be on another level.

So we would do well by learning to sway with the wind, rather than against it.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763196#Comment_121763196

We are in a sort of "Race to the Bottom", in terms of dissuading refugees to land on this island via the benefits they are awarded. Our political class are too busy virtue signaling to notice. Being a small island off north western coast of europe gives us geographic advantages over our peers in this respect. It's a matter of political will.

For example, if one is successful at their asylum claim (x number of years before you can re-apply, and no appeal), they'd still have to live in a purpose built DP centre for say, 10 years before they can join the labour market. I'd guess something like that may dissuade opportunistic applicants.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761867#Comment_121761867

Which means that any argument against refusing or cutting down on refugees because Ireland is full should be ignored. People can't say Ireland is full while also saying there is no issue in more immigration.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755121#Comment_121755121

Only because it is true and unarguable ..uncomfortable for you I suppose .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756350#Comment_121756350

There have always been foreign doctors staffing our hospitals in this country. Senior experienced

doctors that were absolutely vital .

Nurses have been Irish and English mainly until the 00s .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756634#Comment_121756634

What's this about " importing cheap labour " ? Lol

Don't let any employers hear you say that !

We have one of the highest minimum AND average wages in the OECD , per hour, in the top 15 for both , not to mention tightly regulated conditions of employment which are adhered to .

You want to avail of cheap Labour markets Croatia and Poland are in the running for the lowest wages , certainly not Ireland .

Working conditions are arguably making us less competitive than other countries , not at all what you infer .

But carry on there regardless..

So yeah, yez are all talking the usual xxxx to justify your pontificating ..

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762931#Comment_121762931

Excuse me?

Two of the posts I quoted in my last post were posters anti all immigration/ better off before type of stuff so don't blame others for muddying the waters!

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763449#Comment_121763449

10 years paying for someone to live here ??

Thats not a good thing.

Let people work and pay tax if they want to as soon as they have a successful application.

What about all the complaints previously about young men hanging around with nothing to do?

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763596#Comment_121763596

The point of waiting for status serves a couple goals.

1) conditions in their home country may change since their AS application so it's now safe to return.

2) languishing around on subsistence level of dole is unattractive. The point of asylum is that people are safe, not enriched.

Personally I would advocate confining them to DP centres, not out in public.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763652#Comment_121763652

I agree with Housing them in DP centres alright but not detaining them and certainly applications processing needs to be much faster than previously.

But they are allowed to work after 6 months because it is better for them to be employed and earning,

You know why that is I think.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763682#Comment_121763682

Sure, that's because we have a ruling class that believes we are fighting inflation by 'keeping wages low'.

Meanwhile undermine our actual immigration laws.

thereiver

The problem is we don't have the staff to process 1000s of migrants and send them back if their applications to stay here is refused our economy needs to be in the EU that's why company's like Facebook Google are based here we have a shortage of doctors nurses and gardai and the housing crisis continues

At least the government reduced welfare payments for Ukrainian migrants to 38 euro

We have to follow EU law in processing migrants

On the plus side our hotels retail stores cafes could hardly exist without the people from EU country's who came here to work

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758023#Comment_121758023

Most people today are living wage to wage and few have savings they can afford to have

Your making out a lot of false stuff about past.

My parents were considered lower to middle class and we always had enough. Yes things to house had be done bit by bit but we had holidays, went to matches etc.

That was with one income coming in too for while.

Combined incomes of 100-120k are struggling today.

Something badly wrong there.