Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0215/1432548-citizenship-applications/

Handing out Irish citizenship like smarties, no value placed on it

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778414#Comment_121778414

“If you have a situation where people are sleeping in tents on the street, versus the requirement we have as a country to house people who have left their own countries, it’s definitely a better alternative,” Mr Byrne said.

If Mr Byrne here is so concerned about IPAs sleeping in tents on the street, perhaps he could go further than this faux concern for them and provide his 78-bed facility free of charge to those IPAs he's so obviously worried about?

Not a chance though, is there?

Of all the hotels around the country who have magically converted to IPA housing, how many have had:

• Grants or incentives to build their hotels in the first place
• Bail out for the developers when it all went breasts up in 2010
• Availed of Covid-19 payments
• Now coining it handsomely from housing IPAs

How much more money do these absolute leeches need from the Irish taxpayer?

Mr. Byrne here and his ilk have a neck like a jockey's bollox.

combat14

looks like eamon ryan and co. are trying to wreck the economy

Dublin Airport – global airlines threaten to pull flights in row over passenger cap

the cap on passenger numbers must be lifted “if Ireland is to sustain and grow current levels of US tourism and foreign direct investment”.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-airport-global-airlines-threaten-to-pull-flights-in-row-over-passenger-cap/a1931580029.html

the irony is there is such a shortage of accommodation in the country whats the point in bringing more tourists or business here anymore

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779285#Comment_121779285

I can't get a house. Been saving ages, have a good job and girlfriend is a teacher. Entire life on hold really — marriage, kids etc until we can get something sorted. Am I angry about that situation? Yes.

But, like most Irish people in my scenario (appreciating its not the same for all), I at least have somewhere to go if I really need to. Whether it's parents or friends or just coughing up rent, the strong likelihood is that I'd never be left in a position of having absolutely nowhere to go except the streets or a shelter.

Ukrainian refugees have left their homes and livelihoods behind. They aren't arriving here on an equal footing to most of us and so "equality" doesn't always mean that they should simply not get certain services or things for free or subsidised for a while just because we don't get them.

Like I'm not saying that a spend of €xyz is proportionate or an efficient use of money — I'm not saying that these shouldn't be reduced if there is not some form of solid reasoning for them. But 'equality' is nuanced when you are starting from different footholds.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779138#Comment_121779138

Do you think that employers should be able to use this new labour market to undercut the employment prospects of young Irish workers? Particularly those who are starting out or Irish students looking for part time work to pay their way?

Maybe you think, well that's tough - if young Irish workers want to work, they'll just have to be willing to accept what the immigrants are prepared to take. And don't quote minimum wage rates and employment legislation at me. In real life, things often work differently at the lower end of the food chain.

Think before you answer.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777688#Comment_121777688

Morning Ireland had a similar vox pop but seemed to find more sympathetic locals, several who referenced Irish emigrants

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779493#Comment_121779493

It was also instructive to hear how Pat Kenny and Claire Byrne's programmes dealt with the ongoing issues at RTE!

Strong editorial line on both matters from RTE, they definitely have a corporate view on how to communicate such things to the public.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779388#Comment_121779388

the first paragraph says it all:

"I can't get a house. Been saving ages, have a good job and girlfriend is a teacher. Entire life on hold really — marriage, kids etc until we can get something sorted."

that is exactly what will guide young voters for right or wrong in the next election, countless "applicants" with no accommodation is only fuel on the fire

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779545#Comment_121779545

Yeah, though personally I don't happen to believe that refugees are the key problem. They aren't the reason I can't get a house — the housing crisis and the bad policy and poor infrastructural planning long pre-exist this issue.

I can't speak for all people in my generation but if someone is trying to tell me that if you somehow remove a great number of refugees from Ireland, then the crisis ends and suddenly there's a whole bunch of affordable houses out there — I don't find that very compelling.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779637#Comment_121779637

it is certainly a start in the right direction and will help restart our tourism industry too

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779396#Comment_121779396

So you are blaming refugees(this is the refugee thread after all) for employers in Ireland breaking employment legislation.

All while urging others to think before they post.

🤣🤣🤣

1800_Ladladlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121773801#Comment_121773801

In that article yesterday, Róisín McAleer of Social Rights Ireland an activist with group criticized the IPO practice of “allowing” asylum seekers to sleep rough despite there being “thousands of empty homes and buildings” in the State. McAleer said it was not right to expose vulnerable people “to the harsh threats of the elements, to the dangerous threats and abuse of passersby, and to the violent threats and harassment of racists”.

Today, Kitty Holland in another article: ‘They told me there is no space but I see all these empty places in Dublin. There is no mercy’ International protection applicants are arriving to find themselves living on the street. But ‘at least there are no bullets’. She spoke to two men in their 20's who gave their names as Ahmed and Ahmadullah, who were helped by other men who were already here, all asylum seekers. The two arrived on Monday after a “long journey”, having come from the United Kingdom.” These shoppers are being coached by the likes of McAleer and propagated by Kitty Holland who created a hoax story about an attack on a camp last year that never happened. At times I think Holland just submits her own Dear Diary moments.

tom23

And the irish times will snap it up.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780035#Comment_121780035

and they are only in the door 3 seconds and they have their own solicitor!!!!!! you couldn't make it up its a whole parasitic industry

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779265#Comment_121779265

Exclusionism, nimbyism, siding with extremist hate groups like National Party, Ireland First, Irish Freedom Party. Nah. They don't.

Ninthlife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779388#Comment_121779388

Well its not just Ukrainians and most of who I witnessed were of African origin, most likely Sudanese based on the womens attire.

Dont think there are direct flights from Sudan to Dublin....so how are they here.

In terms of equality Im talking services provided. You buy a house in a small town in the country lets say Kildare and you arent a local, you will find it nigh on impossible to find a GP that will accept you or a dentist.

Start a family, kids go to school, ypi and your spouse work, the school is in the opposite direction of your commute to work, a school bus would be ideal but youre told there isnt the resources for it and pool together with other parents and get quotes to hire one privately and rhe cost is astronomical so pointless..so you slog away too poor to be rich too rich to be poor but others land here and within hours have access to all that you cant have..........that kind of equality

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780185#Comment_121780185

Maybe you should talk to some of these asylum seekers that have been in the rural areas for a while now. Ask them how they are treated by the locals. You will be pleasantly surprised 😀

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778784#Comment_121778784

Person.

Would not watch a video about him.

Listened to him pontificating enough more times then I care to remember.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780298#Comment_121780298

How do refugees get instant access to GPs when they're allegedly full?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780306#Comment_121780306

Oh I have spoken to many refugees and asylum seekers. I'm aware that many towns are struggling and have been very welcoming. Your point that the UN is siding with a lot of Irish protesters is not relevant at all and completely untrue.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779212#Comment_121779212

So you are objecting to anyone posting what they claim is' a fact, ' being asked to back it up?!

Bobtheman

One of the most ludicrous things going on is that refugees won't work because they will lose benefits. Surely they should be allowed keep benefits for a year once they get employment.

Same for accommodation

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780426#Comment_121780426

Government policy pro liberals

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779265#Comment_121779265

And yet..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779276#Comment_121779276

Other posters are annoyed people are being given bus transport from these ' dives' to shop for provisions?

Which is it?

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780426#Comment_121780426

Refugees get a medical card, as a medical card holder, the HSE assigns them to a doctor automatically, the GP doesn't get to say no thanks.

Ordinary working irish people don't get a medical card and have to pay out of pocket. They don't get assigned to a doctor and have to call around to numerous GP's hoping they find one that will take them on. In many cases, they'll have to travel some distance because all the GP's in the immediate vicinity are not taking new patients.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780492#Comment_121780492

That'll create an even bigger pull factor for the economic refugees.

Hell I'd apply to be a refugee in my own country if that was the case (I'd probably be successful too)

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780506#Comment_121780506

The GP does get to say no thanks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/medical-card-holders-facing-multiple-rejections-in-bid-to-find-gps-who-will-take-on-new-patients/a1493034456.html

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780298#Comment_121780298

I can see why you are so bitter about it.

That treatment for young families / people looking for housing needs to be stopped.

It has been going on for years now.

But directing your anger at other people is not the way to go.

Where are our ministers gone?

Minister for Housing rarely if ever appears in public except to cut a ribbon.

Minister Butler rarely pops up because older peoples and mental health sevices are detrriorating under her care.

Minister Donnelly has been silent for the last 6 months.

Minister Catherine Martin never says a word about hotels being used for refugees.

The only ones who ever say anytjing are McEntee and O'Gorman and Ryan and god knows maybe they need to ask somebody else to talk fir a while.

The cute silent hoors will be voted back in because in people's memories " they didn't do or say anything wrong." not " they didn't do any thing!"

Ninthlife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780516#Comment_121780516

GPs do refuse additional medical card holders, that is true.

But you'll find alot of GPs now are no longer an individual practicing but actual large partnerships and businesses. Those are being sought out to provide services to refugees and distance isnt a factor as theyve a shuttle service.

This is the inequality Im talking about. Services are being found for one part of society at all costs due to international and EU agreements whereas the working person is left to flounder and struggle

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780492#Comment_121780492

Just No, there are enough pull factors as it is