Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

tom23

i’d say that won’t happen.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121814992#Comment_121814992

Did I say that .There should be restrictions as the numbers coming are increasing. Help at Source is an option and supporting the US in it's global wars does not help .

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817539#Comment_121817539

Still waiting for an answer...

So you agree that we have to take in unlimited numbers? Simple yes or no

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815122#Comment_121815122

What expertise and proof have you that they are 100% genuine .The true genuine Ukrainian refugees are those living in East Ukraine the rest opportunists .I know a number of asylum seekers who were not genuine and got refugee status .

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818453#Comment_121818453

Would Ireland be able to accept half a million or a million refugees? Absolutely not - we wouldn't have the accommodation, infrastructure or services to support anywhere near those numbers.

But the question is beyond hypothetical. Most countries in Europe usually have an immigration population of say 1% or 2% of their overall population at most. The general understanding is that these are just about manageable numbers - if countries were asked to accept say 10% or 20% of their population numbers, the entire refugee system would probably collapse overnight ; countries wouldn't even be able to afford such a thing, never mind provide the services and infrastructure for it.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818656#Comment_121818656

So in Irelands case that would be either 50,000 or 100000 so as we're already over that we're full ?

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817539#Comment_121817539

Do you realize that Ireland is one of the most indebted countries and this "status quo" is only adding to this debt by increasing repayments for generations to come? What make you think you can saddle future generations with even more debt?

Common sense approach is needed not empty slogans, excuses and promises.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818719#Comment_121818719

How do you propose stopping people coming to Ireland and claiming asylum? Around 300,000 people fly into Dublin Airport every week.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818718#Comment_121818718

'Full' is a very strong word, I'd say 'stretched' is a better one. Clearly Ireland wouldn't be a position to take in say another 100,000 Ukrainian people in the next year....the emergency accommodation simply isn't there for them.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818871#Comment_121818871

It is quite easy actually. Complete overhaul of our social welfare should do the trick in no time.

Why else would majority of them skip numerous EU countries and heading for Dublin.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818957#Comment_121818957

Or just tell them the truth in the meantime - you CAN proceed but we have no accomodation for you (you may up in a tent/in a field), and the costs of living are such that you'll find it difficult.

I dare say that many will decide their refuge can be found somewhere else!

minimary

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41339528.html

Shows what a soft touch we've been. Hope this is also applied to people who show up without having gone through the airport

"His solicitor, Edward Bradbury, told the court that up until about two weeks ago, he had clients arrive in similar circumstances, and they went into the asylum process."

seenitall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819259#Comment_121819259

It’s all just smoke and mirrors. The guy will go join the queue of the rest of them for tents and freebies once his two months are out. In fact, it’s a bit of an absurd and ridiculous situation if they start imprisoning for 2 months the ones who destroyed their documents on flights, while the majority of the others, who came into the country “unchallenged” (i.e. through NI), with or without any documents, are left in peace. Not only because for them it’s just another annoying but doable obstacle on their way to happily ever after, but because of a silly discrepancy where the transportation means of getting into the country “irregularly” then seems to make the only difference dictating as to how the justice system treats them.

Smoke and mirrors. No substantial change.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819436#Comment_121819436

Not only that, but I'd be surprised if they even do two weeks in jail. Talk about a waste of time and resources.

Stephen_Maturin

Results of latest Ipsos polls in today’s Irish Times

Very few people appear to be content with the current policies and approach

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819259#Comment_121819259

Too little too late.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820114#Comment_121820114

Ah shure the IT... No better than Twitter/Gript that lot! Far right with an agenda...

... At least that's the response such polling numbers would have elicited 6-12 months ago.

Now though it's inescapable. The electorate have had enough and this Government has failed on all of the key issues - even the feel good social referenda and tree-hugging isn't masking it anymore!

It's about damn time! Some of us have been calling out these problems and inevitability of the consequences for much of the last decade.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820334#Comment_121820334

What did it take? Tent city and the inability to get a night in a hotel room in a basic hotel for less than the average weekly wage.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820355#Comment_121820355

A poll is useful to gauge public opinion, but dont jump to the conclusion that it will change anything.

As mentioned before, if no major party offers any form of immigration restriction, dont expect to see a change in policy from the govt, or any prospective govt.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820374#Comment_121820374

Question for you?

Is that what you would like to see... A political party that offers restrictions on immigration?

Reason why I ask is I have seen this sort of post from you before and would like you to clarify your position, if you can please?

It is confusing that you appear to be pro immigration but are emphasising that fact.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818881#Comment_121818881

You say, stretched but not full. At what point would "full" be the most appropriate word in your opinion? It must be less than 100,000, as you say we would not be able to take that number.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820491#Comment_121820491

I agree with this.

Can you clarify please @BlueSkyDreams as you appear to be constantly sending out conflicting messages.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820458#Comment_121820458

I do think a big problem is assuming that 84% all want the same thing. I have negative comments on immigration - having 1,000 people sleeping on tents is a disgrace and they should all be provided with proper accommodation. I'm not in "send them home" and "this is an planation" camp though.

In a previous poll the Irish Times asked what percentage of people would vote for a candidate who shared strong anti immigrstion views and only 30% said they would be more likely to vote for that candidate. The complete lack of emergence of a party that proposes strong anti-immigration views is the most striking thing for me.

tom23

Seriously? Because they don’t have a reply that tally’s with your exact view of the world they have clarify? Mother of jaysus… i’ve read it all now.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820629#Comment_121820629

I think it would be a good thing to get Clarity on what exactly that means. There's interpretation here about what exactly the 84% means. I am not sure I agree with the interpretation here and think it would be welcome to clarify.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820491#Comment_121820491

Thanks Goldengirl.

I am certainly pro-immigration, but the point i am trying to make is that regardless of a persons stance on immigration, if no major political party is supporting a change in policy on that front, then no change in govt approach is likley to occur.

Regardless of which way the wind is blowing in the polls.

So those that rejoice in the polls reflecting a predictable swing against immigration, shouldnt celebrate a change occuring too hastily.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820613#Comment_121820613

No problem Anna.

I replied to GGs original post.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820690#Comment_121820690

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820658#Comment_121820658

Fair enough.

To be honest Anna, maybe @tom 23 needs to clarify?

Who are ya talking to, tom?

Its hard to know really..

Never a quoted post, just random comments?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820458#Comment_121820458

You are missing the point.

If all 3 electable parties have a pro immigration stance, then the polls can read 100% against the current immigration stance.

It still doesnt mean there will be a change in policy, simply because there is no political threat to govt policy.

No party is offering an alternative approach so the point has no real bearing on govt formation.

tom23

The referendum, local and european elections will tell the story of where the current Government parties policies will be if they loose and do badly in the elections. In fact of the three political parties in power I can see Fianna Fáil taking a tough stance on immigration because these are in for a shellacking of the electorate. They will change their stance very quickly because they are good a smelling what way they wind blows. The greens are gone. Good riddance. FG will struggle (they too might get tougher again and add more countries to their safe list).

At some rate the pro immigration can only go on for a period of time before the house comes crashing down because we Irish are good at that.