Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820960#Comment_121820960

I was simply making the point that the next general election is entirely irrelevant when it comes to immigration. It’ll be an issue but there will be no change no matter who ends up in government. And I then therefore made the point that the flow of Ukrainian immigrants would likely be reduced if Trump wins. This does not translate into support for anything.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821640#Comment_121821640

Didn't come across like that .

So Trump will win and will persuade Putin to stop ?

And you think this will stop the flow of refugees from those countries ?

You have a very unreal view of Trump's influence over Putin .

If Putin isn't stopped he will invade Moldova and then probably Estonia . Hungary is as good as annexed already ...and so on.

Hence Finland have joined NATO and now Sweden .

But NATO will be at war with Russia and its supporting countries .

And don't think anybody will be worrying too much about refugees from anywhere at that stage .

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821826#Comment_121821826

Your ability to downplay the role of US president is quite impressive. All the other stuff (that Putin is gonna take over the world) is just garbage.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821442#Comment_121821442

I wouldnt say i support the status quo. I think the govt could do a lot more to improve communications regarding refugees and do more to integrate them with wider society.

Much improvement to be done around housing amd infrastruture but sure we all know that.

It would be good to see the Soc Dems play a role in the new govt and it is a possibility.

thinkabouit

Such bullshit from Beatty fat fucker

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822053#Comment_121822053

How exactly do you propose that the Government "integrate them with wider society". The UK is decades ahead of us trying to deal with integrating immigrants with society and has failed in its attempts.

There are parts of Bradford and Leicester where residents are Muslims only. White people are now the minority in London, and it's also happening in Dublin 1 according to the CSO.

Now, maybe this doesn't bother you, but on the question of integration specifically, how can the Government intervene? And secondly, when budgets are being cut across many departments and the health system is crashing, where will they get the funding from for this integration plan?

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/area-bradford-been-branded-no-20794885

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822053#Comment_121822053

I can't see what good Soc Dems could play in any role. It would be more of the same and then some. I get the pro immigration crowd here just want to keep things going as they are and for the government to keep doing their international and NGO obligations, but Holly Cairns hasn't once said how she would make any immigration policy fit for purpose. None that I am aware of. If we want to have an immigration system that works, we need to fix it first. In order to do that we need admit we have made a bollix of it and to get real about it. We can't keep buying hotel rooms. We can't keep throwing billions at it regardless if the world is on the move. We have finite resources here and that includes tax take. The magic money tree that we seem to have won't last for forever. Some folks talk about Sinn Fein getting in and wrecking the economy... well Soc dems and their 7 TD's can stay on the opposition benches as far as I am concerned, in government as they will do more damage. Look at the **** show the other little party has caused. RTE, Immigration.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822053#Comment_121822053

🤣🤣🤣

You support the soc dems yet constantly pine for alternative parties that are anti refugee/anti immigration.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821640#Comment_121821640

But the flow of Ukrainian refugees won’t slow with a Trump win.

Stop posting lies as the truth.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821085#Comment_121821085

Got a link where Putin said he has no plans to stop and continue regardless. The end of of aid to Ukraine under Trump will see them at the negotiation table .The flow of asylum seekers from other countries will not reduce .

_Kaiser_

Ukranian foreign minister calling on Ukranians to return home to support the war effort:

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/02/27/ukrainian-refugees-should-consider-going-home-to-aid-war-effort-kyivs-top-diplomat-says/

Pat Kenny has the inevitable person on who has any number of reasons for not doing so herself but agrees that others should do so to fight and help clean-up/rebuild, including those who weren't supposed to have left in the first place.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822836#Comment_121822836

Got a link where Ukraine said it will be at the negotiating table if Trump stops aid?

Im gonna go on facts here. The facts are Putin said he wasn’t going to invade Ukraine for months before he actually did.

Putin attacks countries and has for years and to think he’s just gonna stop his grand Master plan of becoming Hitler 2 some day is pure pie in the sky.

Im amazed people believe anything that comes from his or Trumps mouth.

Google Putin has no plans to stop the war, if the west ever fell for his peace plan which is non existent by the way he will just take the time to rearm and go again.

Gentlemanne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822277#Comment_121822277

"White people are now a minority in London". So what? Genuinely who actually cares.

I'm sure you're gonna say that you mean some stereotype about non-white cultures not fitting in, but when you specifically bring up white skin colour demographics, a rational person can read into that as some casual xenophobia.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822453#Comment_121822453

I didnt advocate an anti immigration party. I dont know where you get that perception from.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822289#Comment_121822289

I agree with you that there needs to be a long term plan for IPA immigration.

Nobody can reasonably argue that not having a plan, is a plan.

That information is certainly overdue from the publics POV & I hope O'Gorman can lay out a short, medium and long term plan soon, preferably when he releases details of the state owned accomodation for IPAs.

I think the Soc Dems can have a positive influence here and that they would inject some urgency into govt policy and in particular, the provision of new housing and infrastructure.

They would also communicate much better on the subject of immigrarion and this would help allay some peoples fears.

The fact remains that govt communcation needs to be backed up with a plan. One without the other isnt enough.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821846#Comment_121821846

Really ?

Not talking about POTUS.. talking about Trump .

And I was replying to a garbage post in the first place ...

Which was a mistake I won't be making again!

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121823232#Comment_121823232

Wait, you think that the Social Democrats, that literally ran an ayslum scammer Ellie Kisyombe as a candidate, and then doubled down on that decision when her lies were pointed out to them, are the people to allay peoples fears about immigration and the broken asylum system....

...if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell!

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121823101#Comment_121823101

Absolutely correct.

And every NATO country around the world is talking about this presently.

And preparing for war.

Ukraine is tiring after 2 years of fighting and without increased support may not be able to hold much longer.

Saying refugees need to return to rebuild is premature.

And asking men with families to fight a war against a world class bully unsupported is sending them to certain death.

We can expect more refugees not less and from other European countries with this war continuing and Putin determined to make his mark before he dies.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824147#Comment_121824147

Who said anything about Crimea?

Ukraine will fight on regardless of the US or not.

They will fight on because they have no choice, it’s about survival as a nation and people as Russia has made it clear they want to erase Ukraine and it’s people from existence.

I think you need to lay off the Russian propaganda and realise you’re the one dreaming if you think Ukraine will give up and surrender to Putin.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824186#Comment_121824186

Well that is Zelensky's conditions for a ceasefire.Fight to the last man in that case perhaps you should go there and help .

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121823821#Comment_121823821

I wouldnt base an entire party's immigration manifesto on a solo candidate experience from 5 years ago.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121823217#Comment_121823217

Hmmmm... all very strange.

When you joined you were talking about "uncontrolled immigration" and you were sceptical about the Soc Dems.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824541#Comment_121824541

Yes & the numbers still arent controlled.

But I do think the Soc Dems can help support the messaging better than the current govt & hopefully inject some urgency into house building and infrastructure, with Holly's plan to move towards 50k homes per year.

Whether they will get in to govt is another matter though.

50/50 chance I'd say.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824274#Comment_121824274

Off topic ? You brought those lads up, I just pointed out they’re not exactly independent observers

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824332#Comment_121824332

Well, we had Holly out recently and her heart was breaking for the economic migrants and the passport trashers - She seemed to imply that her solutions would include modular homes for them (money no object it seems) She's also a huge fan of the goddess, that is Catherine Day - Holly was on about the pre-famine population too a couple of weeks ago...which was gas. Her advisors, a bit like FG's, are idiots

Is that the FG policy now...to court/big up the Soc Dems as a potential coalition partner as the poor Greens will be vaporised?

The Soc Dems must never be let near government, especially if they end up being the tail wagging the dog, à la the GP - The SDs are wetter than the North Atlantic

I know Anna and Goldie were wondering where you stand on things last night - It's visible from space afaiac

tom23

I agree with every single word of this post. Soc Dems would be an absolute disaster in goverment. Its akin to them on a sinking titanic detonating a couple of torpedoes to make it sink faster.

Modular homes. FFs.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824748#Comment_121824748

I wouldnt say the Soc Dems are a shoe in for coalition party, but if FFG lock SF out of govt, which I think they will do (again), FFG will need additional seats to form a govt and the Soc Dems may have the seat count and common ground they are looking for.

It could equally be a band of independents that make up the govt with FFG, however.

I think there will be more independents than usual in the Dail this time around, as the anti immigration vote steers that way.

What would your issue be with modular homes out of interest?

Do you see another shortish term solution to housing IPAs and the growing population at large?

Its going to be difficult to hit the 50k new homes per year without modular I would say.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824972#Comment_121824972

Modular homes as a concept is good but if we tried to do this large scale it would be a disaster.

Like asylum seekers in the hotels it would quickly end up being focused on funnelling vast sums of taxpayers money to a small number of well connected individuals. Completion targets would fall massively behind, short cuts would be taken and costs would be out of control. Corruption and incompetence would be rife.

We would be better off setting up US style trailer parks, at least it might be cheaper.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825298#Comment_121825298

When I heard a hotelier say a few weeks ago on RTE the Ukraine war has been lucky and a great boost for hotels I knew this whole thing is about a select few making billions off the tax payer.

Imagine having the balls to say the invasion and murder of innocents has been great for your business.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824186#Comment_121824186

"Ukraine will fight on regardless of the US or not". . . . . Yea. . Sure it will!

This is a US war using Ukrainians to do the fighting.