Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003008#Comment_122003008

I thought so too.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003077#Comment_122003077

Agreed, lots of points discussed calmly and covering things like GP access etc.

I do still think they let a lot of emotional nonsense from the Irish Refugee Council and that blonde who reckoned there was 160,000 empty properties!!) and “Sam” is very very questionable if you Google him …

Gen.Zhukov

It was a decent programme in fairness - Many politicians squirming their brains out tonight

Henderson is one bullsh!tter - I don't think he said anything that was actually true

Makes RTE's shows on this look absolutely pathetic (which we all new anyway)

John McGuirk from gript, good lord and this is supposed to be a serious program.

Large amounts of public housing should be available for all who need it but government only interested in enriching landlords and capitalists.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003124#Comment_122003124

Who is " all " ?

Jeff2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003095#Comment_122003095

"Sam"? I think it said his name was Sami but could be mistaken. Will check it out later.

tom23

couldn’t bring myself to watch it, if they had henderson i’m glad i didn’t. the man that thinks refugees ipas should be prioritised over irish citizens.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003523#Comment_122003523

He certainly gave that impression!!

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003124#Comment_122003124

In the absence of enough public housing to go around, should the govt enrich the landlords and capitalists to house people and if not, what should they do?

Jeff2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003580#Comment_122003580

I would more landlords renting until some gets housing rather than vulture fund landlords paid by the state to house people. Yes.

The government should build more houses to house people and cut the price of getting on the ladder.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003628#Comment_122003628

What would you cut from the budget to increase housing spend?

How much would you allocate

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122000571#Comment_122000571

This decline was happening before migrants small business unable to compete with big business . I still don't go with the idea that IPA applicants will bring a thriving diverse utopia .The government is still paying for their accommodation,why not rent or allow to buy to those who came to work . The Ukraine war should never have been encouraged.

Meanwhile the back track continues on the farce.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-accused-taking-pi-1m-32553241?utm_source=irish_mirror_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Irish+Mirror+-+Daily+Newsletter_newsletter&utm_content=&utm_term=&ruid=5ab5b9b5-1ba0-420b-a1dc-eaf2d850e2fa

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003780#Comment_122003780

This link you've provided outlines the straight out criminality and misappropriation of funds on others behalf which at least one government minister has committed against the people of this country.

Is there no way that this can be punished? No law which can be invoked to jail this thief who has stolen billions from the tax paying working people of this country and scattered it to the four winds of the earth?

Guildenstern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122002940#Comment_122002940

The trouble with programmes where the function is to give a fair and balanced view, there's no time to challenge comments such as that.

Views differ as to the amount of empty properties, from 80,000 up to almost 200,000. To assert that so many are publicly owned, I'd struggle to accept that.

Facts fall by the wayside when emotions take over.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003780#Comment_122003780

Well, nobody is really saying that IPA applicants are going to bring about a diverse utopia are they? If anyone did actually believe that, particularly anyone in positions of policymaking power, then IPA migration would be the favoured means of "bringing" foreigners into the country right? But it's not, and never has been in Ireland. The Ukraine crisis presented an unprecedented event whereby a war in Eastern Europe inevitably led to a surge in refugees across the rest of the continent.

As for "encouraging" the war in Ukraine, one for another thread but I have listened to many arguments on this and have yet to hear one that would compel me to believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was anything other than the outcome of Putin's imperialist ideology married with a strategic economic interest in consolidating territorial continuity with the annexed Crimea.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004382#Comment_122004382

We bear the consequences of that war and the brainwashed ideology that bringing in refugees is the right thing to do . I wonder how many are actually from the war zones .

facehugger99

I see one of the tabloids today running with a front page of how much we're spending on housing Ukrainian pets - €1m per month apparently.

A relative of mine died last year from Motor Neurone disease. The Irish Motor Neurone Disease Association provides nurses to help family members care for their relatives. The nurses are amazing but there are not enough of them and they are spread way too thin. Most of the money used to provide services comes from fundraising efforts.

In 2022 the Government provided funding of €214,000 to the Irish Motor Neurone Disease Association.

What a country we have.

Furze99

Did anyone hear our esteemed Minister for Justice being interviewed on Morning Ireland this morning. There will be no relief from this - we have just further formalised our obligations to take in more people. There is no immediate prospect of state accommodation centres - that's years away. We have made a few price enquiries re chartering planes to deport the small handful of those refused official entry but nothing more. We will not build detention camps and anyone arriving can just melt away into the general population for as long as they need to establish themselves. Basically she's doing nothing and we may all put up with it. You'd be better buying your adult children plane tickets and advise them to get out of this place.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005419#Comment_122005419

I turned on the radio this morning to hear yet another softball interview with her on Newstalk. There's nothing that I can see in this for Ireland or her citizens. We can't manage those already here, or use the political and practical options we have (and have always had) to enforce our laws and border, and yet we are supposed to take arguably the worse Minister for Justice in decades that bending the knee once again to the EU will make it all better?

Colour me cynical!

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003780#Comment_122003780

" The Ukrainian war should never have been encouraged "

How can you make that statement about the war ..here ?

Anywhere?

US3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005816#Comment_122005816

Show us 1 leader that called for peace there. Every single one has encouraged to prolong the war

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005405#Comment_122005405

Aren't the IMNDA one of the much hated on this thread big bad NGOs?

https://www.boards.ie/search?domain=all_content&query=NGO&scope=site&name=Time%20for%20a%20zero%20refugee%20policy?&source=community

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005952#Comment_122005952

I am not going to engage with this on this thread .

Goldengirl

As facehugger said Motor Neurone Disease Association vastly underfunded .

As are Cancer Care services , Irish Hospice Association Parkinson's and many other health care agencies, and this is going on for years when we are meant to be ' awash with funds ' ..

These are part of all the NGOs that some people here want to get rid of .

It's not till you need their help that you realise how necessary they are .

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006196#Comment_122006196

Even more important then that we impose limits or stronger oversight on NGOs whose only reason for being is to undermine our immigration policies and controls. Just look at all the money spent on this issue over even the last 2 years.

Think about what could be done if that money was spent on the far more worthwhile issues you mention - rather than just encouraging/importing/legally advising even more randomers to put those services and all the others under pressure!

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006207#Comment_122006207

I agree more should be spent on NGOS who engage and help people in this country .

I have said this repeatedly on this thread so I am not going to print off that list for people again

.We are all adults here or should know who works for who in our society , so those who continue to bash NGOs generally , without stating of whom they are talking are just on a silly windup, afaiac

Our country would not function without many and it's the same in many western countries so saying it's just 'Ireland ' or our government is just more silly stuff .

If you want to discuss particular named NGOs , how much they get, and what they spend it on or not , be my guest .

But please spare me the bleeding heart stuff about services in this country without acknowledging the good that so many NGOs do .

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006240#Comment_122006240

To be fair GG, it's very obvious what NGOs people refer to when using the term in an immigration thread - just as it's equally clear that when people talk about the problems with immigration, they aren't referring to legal migrants who come here honestly and with skills to offer, jobs to start, and the ability to support themselves while also positively integrating into their new communities.

This is not in question. I'm not sure why you think otherwise?

However.. I WILL say that we have seen numerous examples of charity/NGO organisations that have been operated with, let's say, poor Governance and decision-making, or where legitimate questions are asked about whether most of the money makes it to those who it was donated in support of, or into the paycheques/expense accounts of staff.

Again this isn't in question either. The only ones who seem to be muddying the waters are those who are trying to obfuscate the very different cases involved.

Goldengirl

Where did I mention other or legal migrants in my post ?

I mentioned health and disability ?

Sounds like you are mixing me up with someone else or muddying the waters yourself there !

Also if you are alluding to poor governance you cannot throw out general accusations ..name and shame ..and some proof to back up your comments please !

Otherwise this is just a twisty ,NGO bashing exercise

Goldengirl

And " to be fair " @_Kaiser_ ,

It's not clear who some are talking about , just as your post above ?

And then it leaves a general impression of ALL NGOs being corrupt or bloated which is vastly the opposite of true.

Most do excellent work on a shoestring .And could do more if they had more .

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006278#Comment_122006278

Ah now GG, come on… you know exactly what I mean/you're at.

You post complaining about people dismissing the work of good, worthwhile NGOs alongside NGO's involved in immigration (which no-one has done except yourself as far as I've seen?), and then you try to back away from it when I point out the differences?

Then you're trying to claim ignorance of well-publicised scandals and reports of financial irregularities in the charity/NGO sector? Which again isn't saying ALL charities or NGOs fit this description, but there's no point in pretending it didn't/doesn't happen either.

Really?