Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316499#Comment_120316499

They essentially flipped a switch to turn it on in the first place. Or, more accurately, opened a flood gate and encouraged the flood.

It's not a natural, historic process. Were it that, Europe would look different today.

It's a recent economic imperative. It is both damaging and unpopular. It will eventually be stopped.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316521#Comment_120316521

Who said it was a natural historic process? In the past, people tended to stay at home because they liked home. They only moved when forced. We know that better than most.

I am talking about the future. The world is changing. Travel has also become easier. Climate is changing.

I'd imagine if I denied you your dinner for 7 days in a row, you'd row over to Wales! 😂

Strumms

The problem with the EU is that it’s becoming or became, sorry, a victim of its own incredible success and hard work….

that’s been noted by people in less affluent, less safe, less successful and less well off countries… now instead of copying the template we enjoy here. And working to improve their lot .. they want to up sticks and come here.. to be handed housing, healthcare, education and cash payments. 🤷‍♂️ paid for by EU citizens.

forgo sorting their own shît out… but benefit here from a safer climate, more jobs, a plethora of free state supports, efficient public transport, free attainable healthcare… it’s a dream…

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316561#Comment_120316561

hmmmm, so developing counties havent become heavily indebted to primarily western financial institutions, such as the world bank and the imf, and when failing to meet debt repayments to such institutions, policies such as liberalization of markets, privatization of state assets, and austerity, havent been forced upon them, by these institutions!

Jarhead_Tendler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120315098#Comment_120315098

Excellent deflection there. Good chap

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316487#Comment_120316487

You start now by stopping all migrants who cross water to Europe. All boats are turned around. No NGO ships permitted in the area and no EU countries giving them permission to dock.

By securing EU waters now and letting would be migrants know that they will not cross you set out your stall going forward. Take the hard decisions now

The UK off shore Rwanda processing system is something the EU need to consider emulating.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316656#Comment_120316656

Very simplistic solutions. It would be nigh on impossible to stop all boat crossings or even 50% of them - most boats travel at night time, under the cover of darkness, with no lights on board.....it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

The Rwanda policy is a cynical and expensive PR stunt aimed at Tory voters and Daily Mail readers. To my knowledge, not a single person has been deported to Rwanda from the UK since this sham of a scheme was announced. It's all just hot air aimed at keep the anti-refugee crowd energised.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316471#Comment_120316471

And if there is going to be huge immigration to these shores due to climate change, why are we facilitating mainly economic migrants (Ukrainians aside) posing as asylum seekers right now? Surely now would be the time to halt this type of immigration and prepare for the inevitable surge that’s coming down the line. If we continue to accept asylum seekers up until the point where we start getting climate change refugees (the economic migrants will keep coming as ever, btw), I really don’t know what state the country will be in by then.

Though if they genuinely are fleeing the effects of climate change, then living in a tented community somewhere in mild/grey Ireland may not seem so bad.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316778#Comment_120316778

We can't allow potentially millions to come and live in tents. It's not realistic or workable for them or us

Realistically to preserve our countries (in Europe) we won't be able to take any "climate" refugees.

It's just not possible. Now is the time to put policy in place. Be ahead for once

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316711#Comment_120316711

Migrants on boats are traveling the same path.

A serious defense would require an EU border force, satellites covering the waters with constant patrols. 100 fold of what there is now.

It would require all EU countries to defend their own coastlines and not allow any migrants in under any circumstances.

You manage to make land, finger prints taken and you are immediately sent back. Caught a second time you will get 20 years in prison and then sent back.

Europe must preserve itself. It's common sense.

Donald Trump

How many of you would support the boats being torpedoed in international waters?

Be honest

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316823#Comment_120316823

There are now 3 asylum seekers taking the Irish government to court over housing. They are claiming that their rights have been breached.

I hope they win. I hope the government are held to task by all of the asylum seekers who have no accommodation.

And I hope that those people are housed in my street and on your street and in your building and in every town in the country. Own door accommodation while Irish people who cannot afford their rent or own houses see it happening with their own eyes.

That's what it will take.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316817#Comment_120316817

Physically trying to prevent people entering a country seems a waste of time and resources. By all means, tighten up asylum procedures but things like Trump's Wall and intercepting boats at sea seem more like PR stunt stuff by governments rather than a serious attempts to manage a refugee crisis.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316899#Comment_120316899

Poster was talking about hundreds of millions entering Europe.

My comment is related to his scenario.

I'm open to hear your take on "managing"

Have you ever seen Europes border wall? Trump could only dream of something of its scale.

We can't manage 50,000.

We can't manage our own

EU summit just last month:

"The EU that once largely dismissed border walls as a crude Trumpian solution is vowing to channel “substantial” funds into frontier guards and surveillance equipment, as countries ramp up calls for help paying for their border fences"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/euco-eu-crosses-into-the-border-fence-game-migration/amp/

Bobtheman

What is the perception about Ukrainians vs other refugees? Generally.

Personally I think we have to support a democratic European nation.

Given out appalling record during WW2 we can't turn out backs again

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316656#Comment_120316656

Yes something needs to be done on the Med crossings but good luck stopping them. Remember these people will be absolutely desperate. What about those that cross water in containers or commercial boats? It's big business for criminal organisations already. As I said, the EU is a sieve. The policing required will be immense. Currently all the pressure is on Italy, Greece, Turkey etc.

The EU won't stop the mass migration though. It's like saying you will stop drugs getting into Ireland in large quantities, impossible.

Ten of Swords

Mod - @DeadHand threadbanned

Spanish Eyes

Great to hear that oodles of €millions are to be spent on Thornton Hall and elsewhere to provide modular housing for asylum/refugee folk.

Now that's something that will take the pressure off the hotels and allow them have a tourist season, albeit an expensive one for the visitors. I am also sure that Joe and Mary and their three kids on the housing list this past five years will be delighted to hear this news. They won't mind waiting around for a modular home, or a home of any sort for their family. Nope they will surely not mind who gets housed before them. Of course, to say anything else immediately labels them as Right Wing racist activists. Correct? So they keep their mouths shut and join the the bewildered and brainwashed.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317302#Comment_120317302

I think this is inaccurate. If an Irish family was living in a hotel they would get priority. It also depends on where these homes are. It might not suit said Irish couple to live where these modular homes are.

thegame983

step 1: Build 'temporary' modular housing for migrants

step 2: create new class between homeless & working class that live in these modular shanty towns.

step 3: use housing crisis to transition as many native irish to this new way of living

step 4: turn Ireland into one large favella owned by a vulture fund.

step 5: profit

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316896#Comment_120316896

Why are you quoting my post and going off on some unrelated rant?

Spanish Eyes

Time to get the emails going to our EU Parliamentary representatives - MEPs to get their views on this. It seems to me that EU policy on migration is not being realistic about the issue. I can imagine the response...

Ireland as far as I know has a potential exemption/derogation regarding the numbers we take in, sorry not sure where to find the reference. However once again, that is completely ignored. At least the fact that there is a derogation or exemption is acknowledgment of the fact that some countries may find it extremely difficult to support all arrivals. I am not sure if the exception applies to refugees (Ukraine) and/or asylum seekers. Guessing it is refugees. Someone might correct me if I'm wrong.

I think most people just want fairness, and a logical response to the issues being caused all around the country, but not in Dublin 4 and the likes of course. I reckon that many of the commentators who label objectors with the R words do not have to suffer the consequences of it, and probably never will.

72sheep

And still O'Gorman finds the time to divert funds away from migrant integration and instead towards LGBQT. His public service know no limits. The FFG leadership never complain about him either. We are truly blessed by this govmt and "modern Ireland" ;-)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/roderic-ogorman-raids-funds-to-push-11m-to-lgbtq-projects-42370318.html

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317921#Comment_120317921

From what I understand, the whole issue of derogation from EU law on asylum seekers is seen as very controversial. Critics warn that allowing this to become the norm could cause all manner of problems for the EU further down the line, with the same 'rogue' member states seeking to opt out of other EU laws as well that are not even connected to migration. They also argue that a non unified approach on migration law could be very problematic for the stability of the union (the whole point of EU law is that it applies equally across the EU27 - not having countries dipping in and out of laws they like and don't like).

Donald Trump

Ye are listening to too much Nigel Farage.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317875#Comment_120317875

Which hotel? I'm sure you can name it... if the story is true of course.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318187#Comment_120318187

I'm delighted to hear it, the whole thing needs to crash and burn for the Government to realise we just can't keep taking people in.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318187#Comment_120318187

I see the hotel Killarney is going back to tourists soon. The little stabbing misunderstanding at Xmas didn't help the poor crayturs getting another year.

I'd say the hotel owners can name their price nowadays to the government.

MFPM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316581#Comment_120316581

You think Male on Female violence is a 'deflection'? You need to pull your head out of the sand.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318272#Comment_120318272

I'd say the hotel owners can name their price nowadays to the government.

Well this is the thing: if the government offers them whatever they would be getting for full occupation (plus a premium?) would most hotels, even generally busy ones) not go for that rather than take their chances on the open market?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318397#Comment_120318397

If there are three hotels in a town and two are booked up by the State, the third one knows it has even more leverage to price gouge the ordinary punter. You're kidding yourself if you think they are doing it for any kind of altruistic reasons for the local economy.

Bobtheman

The important thing is despite hotels screwing people the government decided to allow them to keep the lower Vat rate for the summer

Bobtheman

Putin must be delighted with some of the posts here

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316997#Comment_120316997

We were sold a pack of BS…this country is no longer a democratic European nation.

The Ukranian people were coming here for… ‘Temporary Protection’. Right. I called bôllocks on that from minute one.. Temporary Protection status will be replaced by giving them citizenship. Told and sold temporary, but it was and will be permanent. I said this to a friend a few months ago having believed it all along and their suggestion as a compromise would that this would be put to a referendum, which it won’t be, because the government, NGO’s, the left and the Ukranians themselves won’t like the answer of that democratically decided outcome.

100% of this has been undemocratic, unfair and underhanded. So for the government to offer a say, to let the people decide ? Hahaha , not a fûckin chance.

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318657#Comment_120318657

I doubt he reads boards🤣

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318657#Comment_120318657

I heard his generals are doing their nut about the amount of time he spends on boards!

clytemnestra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318786#Comment_120318786

I agree. Putin invaded Ukraine on 24th of February 2022 and people started to flee. Five weeks later, Darragh O'Brien is talking about building PERMANENT homes for them.

"Housing Minister Darragh O’Brien said: “A lot of what we're going to be doing is taking maybe old commercial stock, old State stock and converting that into apartments or homes.

“We are going to have to look at providing permanent housing solutions in that space.

“We could potentially require up to an additional 35,000 homes over the period of time should we be looking at a permanently accommodating"

Completely and utterly bizarre. You're right, we do not live in a democracy.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-needs-build-35000-homes-26594137

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317006#Comment_120317006

You don't police migration like that though. What you do is you make it impossible to live in the country without having a regularised status. That means no amnesties, no tenancy without status, that means no work without status.

Ordinary illegal migration isn't the main issue - it's the refugee status that is. That status places the burden on the State to support the individuals. Take away the support and the problem largely resolves itself as one only has to look at the fall off in arrivals here since capacity was reached and consequently the welfare offering becoming less enticing.

rgossip30

Hey folks nothing to worry about shur it will be grand .All Ukrainians are working and at school in Fermoy. They are not taking jobs or adding to class sizes .You hardly notice them like one of our own .You can't get enough of a good thing .

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41085379.html?utm_source=irishexaminer&utm_campaign=41085379&utm_medium=lunchtimenewsletter

clytemnestra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319317#Comment_120319317

You see, that makes me sad because Irish people are genuinely kind and generous to people in need. I've seen it in the local response to the Ukrainian war. The problem is that we are being taken for absolute mugs by our own government plundering our resources to accommodate every chancer in the world and shoving their own people aside. That kindness and generosity will be gone.

Galwayguy35

Another thing the Government doesn't want to hear mentioned is every one of those people who arrived over the last 13 months are entitled to free health care and human nature being what it is they will take full advantage of it.

I had to go to the GP last week, I'm not entitled to a GP card so its €55 to be seen and I was the only one in a packed surgery who had to pay.

Everyone else there at that time was foreign and all on medcal cards.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319458#Comment_120319458

And you know this how?

This is like something I used to hear in the local bar in the countryside.

Which of course, was complete crap.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319317#Comment_120319317

'some' of the 400 residents in hotel Killarney have jobs- not quite as good as fermoy, a real success story nonetheless! Nice little fluffy piece in the Indo owned kerryman about the residents having to move. No mention whatsoever of the multiple stabbings there on new years eve- probably not deemed newsworthy!

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/asylum-seekers-including-families-and-working-men-to-be-moved-as-hotel-killarney-reverts-to-tourism-42364006.html

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319480#Comment_120319480

Its like the untrue urban myth about free prams being left on buses

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319480#Comment_120319480

Were you there?

No you weren't.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319505#Comment_120319505

So you are calling me a liar are you?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319535#Comment_120319535

But how do you know you were the only one that had to pay? You stayed to watch all the people in the "packed surgery" finish and leave? Let me guess, you were last to leave? Did any have children? These stories are meaningless anyway. Did you wave your 55 Euro around for all to see? 🙂

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319562#Comment_120319562

Because the other people there had their appointments before me and didn't walk up to were patients pay before leaving the surgery.

Two posters have basically accused me of being a liar and thats one thing I am not.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319573#Comment_120319573

Ok. I don't believe you either and you didn't answer my questions. It was actually the previous "crash and burn" post that gave it away - anger leading to real life stories...

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319113#Comment_120319113

Yeah fair enough but you have to bear in mind that the motivation in the decades to come will be less about welfare enticements and more about survival. Do you let them starve?