Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079534#Comment_122079534

I'm not condoning the policy suggested on this thread but nevertheless find this remarkable given the narrative being pushed around obligations and laws, as if both were immutable.

It turns out government can draft new legislation. Who would have guessed?

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079867#Comment_122079867

Start with a strong message at the local and EU elections delivering a wipe out to the Greens FFFG showing the electorate is looking for tangible action on clear plans to help reshape our society into some kind of functioning model where a basic social contract will again be a reasonable aspiration as opposed to pipe dream.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079922#Comment_122079922

Because she, like any other politician, is subject to the democratic process. You asked what it would take to remove her — people can remove her by not voting for her or not voting for her party.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079102#Comment_122079102

its laughing talking about bringing (x20+ times) family members over when we cant give the free homes and hotel treatment to the crowd that are there already

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077031#Comment_122077031

We haven't a snowballs chance in hell of improving anything in Africa. Even food aid is looted by the strong and sold to the weak for profit. Any cash investments are stolen by the connected African elites or their families.

The aid industry is an abject failure. The people there need to demand an end to corruption and sort out their own countries without any interference from the west.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079936#Comment_122079936

Another fantastic observation - so you are happy for a minister to remain in their position regardless of how hopeless they may be and we should just suck it up and wait for an election?

tom23

Can actually never see Helen loosing her seat unless she decides not to run. From the area and I can tell you she has a core support that will vote for her regardless.

Gusser09

I'd fully support a hard just to deal with refugees. The brits are a stain on irish humanity amd continue to **** on us.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079954#Comment_122079954

Well, no. But you are asking what it would take to remove her, and suggesting that she is too stupid to resign, so if the people want to remove her by not voting for her or her party, they can. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here.

StrawbsM

Will Rwanda also be listed as a safe country?

whisky_galore

Rwanda looks about as safe as here.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078319#Comment_122078319

Go live outside the peripherique (ring road around central Paris) for a few months like I did. Then, you'll see how well the 2nd and third generation Algerians and Sudanese have integrated. When France beat Morocco in the world cup, the youth went mad burning cars and French flags.

They're also hugely over-represented in the courts and unemployment.

People need to wake up to reality and stop spouting simplistic platitudes about immigrants "becoming Irish" when the vast majority have absolutely no interest in doing so and their children's children won't either.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079313#Comment_122079313

One name you never hear mentioned of course is Putin.

I believe he's actually quite popular amongst the far-right, Le Pen, Orban, etc all admirers.

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079968#Comment_122079968

Are they though?

British society has been deeply troubled and destabilised by mass immigration and illegal immigration.

The current government there were elected on a mandate to confront the problem.

They have.

It is not their fault nor their business that we in Ireland refuse to take our border or our security seriously.

It is not their fault or their business that our government has encouraged, incentivised and participated in a process of mass, unregulated immigration. So much money is being passed into private hands by this madness that I think it is fair to call it people trafficking.

They are at least trying to safeguard their country while we flail around and attack everything but the problem at source.

No one is to blame for the current crisis, or the far, far worse crises to come, but the leadership in Ireland.

ednwireland

plenty of ngos on the radio yesterday debunking the 80 % from uk. it's all people here whose circumstances have changed.

tthen channel 4 interview I'm dublin, yeh came from England.

Strazdas

Good discussion about all this on the Pat Kenny show just now. One interviewee pointed out 'you can't return people to a country that doesn't want them' i.e. Ireland will have to find other ways of managing the people crossing the border issue.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080006#Comment_122080006

Why is there such a determination to debunk the Northern Ireland route?

Surely it makes the most sense to use that route.

tom23

I missed it… i take it that interviewee was an NGO representative? Who was offering the opposing view? Not wanting them and having an international legal obligation to take them back are two different things.

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080020#Comment_122080020

Heard that and sounds right even though people won't want to hear it. People will continue to arrive via the North if they want. They can't be stopped.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079977#Comment_122079977

Who has the ability to appoint and remove ministers? - not the electorate.

ECookie13

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080021#Comment_122080021

I can only assume it's just a widespread attempt by certain crowds to debunk any negative immigration news and information, as this is the most amount of negative news that refugee immigration has received here that I can remember.

All the websites where the pro-immigration free-for-all crowd congregates, which are getting less and less these days of course, have been on the warpath the last few days posting about how all these figures about NI are being used by conservatives, "far-right" etc. to push their "narrative". That this is all exaggerated and false news. Sometimes you wonder if it's satire on their end.

It's likely all just an attempt at damage control for their warped ideals, and with the NGOs, to save their backsides and attempt to keep the gravy train going.

JPCN1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079963#Comment_122079963

put a couple of huge IPA centers in her end of the constituency and she won’t be returned as a councillor. But she’s happy to visit that upon others. We’ll get the same guff she gave about not being able to take a Ukrainian refugee… happy to leave them in rural Kerry, Clare, Donegal.

aidanodr

So to confirm .. yes this is all about France v UK .. we walked into being the useful used pawn in this

He (Sunak) tells @peston he won’t consider taking returns from any EU countries, unless France did likewise from UK.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1784939385130975442

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080071#Comment_122080071

Has solid proof on this been established as of yet though? From what I have read, the high figure being cited of IPAs using the NI route appears to be based on an inference that people who apply for asylum anywhere else than an airport or port must have come across the land border. Inference is not fact, especially when there are reasonably rational reasons why a person might see a benefit at applying at the IPO rather than immediately upon arrival into the State at the airport (ie, fear of being denied entry etc).

It stands to reason that the ease of crossing the border would present a good opportunity for people who have made it to the North and want to apply for asylum in the south. But it would be good to know more solidly how much of that 80% is just a big assumption and how much can actually be verified. Has anything been put forward to that effect?

brickster69

AS mumbers increasing in South Belfast the last few weeks.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1785212719689355765

Fred Cryton

Don't we have a problem where asylum seekers are essentially "untouchable" and above the law unless they commit a crime serious enough to put them in jail?

Like on Mount Street - we provided them with alternative accomodation with sanitary facilities, and then like soft parents we allow them to go right back to Mount street. And now, Simon Harris talks about a "consensual" approach. Why is it consensual, are we literally unable to just give these people orders or instructions while they reside in our country illegally?!? But the Guards plenty able to shout orders at irish people protesting.

We need to wipe the floor with the established parties at the coming election. They need record low votes and record high for alternatives. Only way to get a semblance of change in tact.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080128#Comment_122080128

One of the replies to Gavan O Reilly tweet above is interesting:

this really shouldn’t be rocket science

their refusal to accept returns breaches the letter/spirit of the CTA which disrupts the Windsor Framework which thereby puts their Brexit CTA back on the table; we should be lobbying Brussels now for trade sanctions …

I think this is the road that Michael martin is travelling and not that useless legislation change McEntee is wasting her time with

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080071#Comment_122080071

But I don't understand why they are so hell bent on disproving the Northern route.

This whole thing has exploded now and is nothing but negative.

WheWhether they are coming in through the airports or coming in through the north does not change the fact that the country has had enough one way or the other.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080143#Comment_122080143

For the migrants camping out at Mount St. committing an offence to get charged and brought to a nice warm bed with wash facilities and 3 meals at day in Mountjoy prison must seem very tempting given the conditions outside the IPAS centre.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080140#Comment_122080140

Say what you want about the plurality of media — I'm all for media platforms with different views — but I genuinely pity anyone who laps up what Beattie says there as being fact. Not least the idea that somehow the Irish government is to blame for not agreeing to border infrastructure which, even at that, was not infrastructure that was ever proposed as being one aimed at tracking or monitoring the flow of people — only goods. It's just an unbelievable re-writing of history.