Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085464#Comment_122085464

The more than 70 years old Geneva conventions are not fit for purpose and need a complete overhaul. The sentiments which they’re based on may have had merit post World War II but the worldwide population has skyrocketed since.
Politicians hide behind “international obligations” but you never hear them say that they’re lobbying for changes or bringing up the subject on a UN level.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085525#Comment_122085525

Correct - but not being able to deport failed applicants cannot be an option either. How we deal with countries refusing to take back their people should be straight forward. Offer them the carrot or the stick. In whatever form that might have to take. The EU approach to this is far too soft - removing access to visas etc isn't really going to do much.

Lofidelity

Interesting piece earlier on Pat Kenny. Reporter Barry White says in July 23 he discovered at that time 75% of applications were made in person at Mount St. So Government were aware for a long time but only now are taking any action. He replayed a question to McEntee at the time where she gave a vague answer, all office speak but no detail.

He also played a clip of interviews with applicants. They all freely admit they crossed from the UK. One even had a mild Scottish accent.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085586#Comment_122085586

that’s a good idea actually,

a flight and a wad of cash while being added to a no entry list to get back in.

Then again would that list encourage folks currently in the uk / France to do their best to get here?

Oscar_Madison

What % of asylum seekers are successful? Where are the planes leaving Ireland to bring back unsuccessful applicants?

Asking for permission to remain in the state has a yes /no outcome. If we’re not saying yes, then we need to get our act together on deportations - it’s not a nice thing I know, but we can’t say yes to everyone and but part of this problem is that we’re just not doing what we’re supposed to be doing in the first place

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085503#Comment_122085503

No. Pointed that out yesterday and found it very strange. They focused more attention on a sword attack in the UK.

engineerws

Just looked at the figures for homeless. We appear to be at a new all time high of adults + child dependants.

13,866 March versus 13,841 in Feb

Number of child dependant homeless increased from 4,147 to 4,170

Except there has been no reports this time ? e.g.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/number-of-homeless-people-in-ireland-reaches-13531-in-another-record-1592824.html

It's actually shocking. I just checked Jan report and the same method yields 13,531

Homeless children has increased from 4,027 Jan —> 4,170 Mar

This is insane to me!

DaithiMa

There's been a couple of mentions of Kippure Manor on the thread, came across this article from a couple of days ago.

https://extra.ie/2024/04/28/news/refugee-town

The accommodation that was built specifically to house refugees/IPAs on the site was constructed with no planning permission. '22 unauthorised structures including 14 two storey split level houses' to be precise.

Yet, the government has paid the companies involved in the illegal construction of these buildings eye watering sums of money to accommodate the refugees. Sinead Fennelly and Carol Dwyer are directors of various companies that have been paid over 30 million for providing the state with accommodation, including the site in Kippure.

Is there any wonder we have a very vocal minority telling us that there's nothing that can be done to stem the flow when you see the amount of money that's involved in what has basically become the refugee industry. Who needs tourism eh! All aboard the IPA gravy train.

Lofidelity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085379#Comment_122085379

I heard most of that interview too. O'Gorman also says as Ukrainians leave some hotels will return to public use but others will instead be used for asylum seekers.

He said absolutely nothing about any attempt to reduce the numbers arriving. The only way I can see that happening is a change of government.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085678#Comment_122085678

regardless of government in charge it starts with a plan and the word “How?”

Unless an alternative party can clearly lay out a plan that works it will simply be empty promises - this should be an all party solution anyway as there’s very few “right” ways to go about this regardless of what your party politics is

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085379#Comment_122085379

You need to understand that media in Ireland are speaking to other members of their own media tribe when they utter stuff like " were the squatters in the middle of Dublin asked if they wanted to move "

That the vast majority of radio listeners find such a question daft is irrelevant

It's about reassuring your tribe that you hold the right opinions and this Dobbo is not pleased about these folks being ushered along

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085386#Comment_122085386

I'm not suggesting we should set up an encampment in the Phoenix Park. I just saying that when the lads look at Google maps on their phones, it won't take too long to figure this is a prime spot.

Headshot

Just watching Sky News and they're showing coverage of the UK Police detaining illegal immigrates in preparation for deporting them.

This is what I love to see in Ireland, just to see something been done would put my mind at ease some what

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085597#Comment_122085597

Barry White is a fantastic journalist, one of the few who isn't a slave to virtue signalling

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085578#Comment_122085578

This whole Geneva Convention thing is something I've heard being said a few times. I don't particularly understand what the argument is — or rather what you actually think changing it or withdrawing from it would achieve.

Change the definitions and people will just claim they fit within the new definition anyway. OK you reject them regardless. Or you withdraw from Geneva entirely and reject people on the basis that Ireland does not recognise the concept of refugee. Excellent. But either way, the rejection does not make the person disappear in a puff of smoke. You still have to actually physically deal with them.

At the end of the day, refugees existed before the Geneva Convention existed, and would exist regardless of whether it stays, goes or changes.

tom23

It's a pity we couldn't relocate RTE to the dustbin permantly. Waste of space.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085725#Comment_122085725

Yes I agree wholeheartedly. We should be shipping back en masse

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085640#Comment_122085640

What's that got to do with our refugee policy?

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085649#Comment_122085649

I hope our resident cheerleaders have a read of this one. I thought I read IPAs wouldn't interfere with housing supply

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085733#Comment_122085733

Surely you understand that were such privileges revoked that the outcome would likely result in less asylum seekers coming to Ireland?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085586#Comment_122085586

But what do you mean by carrot or stick?

Are we talking payments per deportation or dropping bombs?

I'm not sure either of those would do anything but make the situation worse.

But feel free to clarify on what you actually propose.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085649#Comment_122085649

There seems to be a successful for the moment policy of keeping it off the airwaves and out of print - did the Mail cover it as well? But it has the stink of a big scandal, if you read the articles, these boyos were told to stop building nearly 2 years ago and have given two fingers to Wicklow county council, whilst hoovering up big payments from Roddy's department. All in a county that is notoriously difficult to get planning permission in rural areas. What could happen here is that the state tells Wicklow county council to give retention on the basis of emergency needs. If they do, then the residents in West Wicklow will be mad as hell. Likely be kicked down the road till after elections. There's an independent councillor there who has been making waves and organised a public meeting. The rest are completely absent it seems and the electorate there have noticed.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085808#Comment_122085808

It was a tourism related business before that - school trips and corporate training days, wedding venue etc

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084379#Comment_122084379

x 7? You do know the average request is for 20 "family" members?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085834#Comment_122085834

In the post, I clearly stated "In whatever form that might have to take". I have not proposed any exact methods which is obvious in the context of the post. The list is essentially endless.

Shall i delve into minute detail for every response?

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084842#Comment_122084842

“We do not live in a country where makeshift shantytowns are allowed to just develop” says Simon Harris as he moves people to one in his own constituency

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085640#Comment_122085640

Well, Kevin Backhurst, the head of RTE is English.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085896#Comment_122085896

You've acknowledged that an effective system of deportation is essential for what you're proposing.

It's something more than a 'minute detail' then.

Without explaining how this can be made happen, I'm afraid you're not offering anything more than the 'send them back' brigade.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084913#Comment_122084913

So arrest them, charge them with people trafficking and seize the ships. That’s what they are doing. Like you say, the med is massive yet they always seem to know where to meet the dinghies.

brickster69

New arrivals

https://twitter.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1785652655299142142