Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341302#Comment_120341302

So your not supporting the government on the immigration issue but you are taking issue with me not supporting them.

Right got it.

🤣

kravmaga

Its too late now for a zero refugee policy as the horse has already bolted. Its to late.

We have thousands of them already here now, doing nothing all day, not working, it will take years to hear their cases.

Just back from city centre , the north inner city is destroyed, Ilac Centre is like a shopping mall in downtown Lahore.

Nosler

Tbh, I think the main issue with asylum seekers is that when they get an Irish passport they can then bring their family over...

You give an asylum seeker a passport and then in the following years he brings his wife/ kids/ parents/ siblings over.

All thanks to the EU and their human rights...

minimary

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/03/10/belgium-promises-to-increase-deportations-as-asylum-seeker-homelessness-hits-crisis-point/

"Following a meeting of the Belgian cabinet, De Croo promised to increase the forced deportation of failed asylum seekers to their countries of origin, as well as to apply the EU’s Dublin regulation more strictly. This means more transfers of people back to the EU countries where they first arrived.

“We are going to focus more on outflow and more deportations,” De Croo said."

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341332#Comment_120341332

I'm asking if you agree with Gino Kenny that the government parties are organising far right groups to protest against immigration that they are responsible for arranging.

Essentially, the narrative from Gino Kenny is that the government are both taking immigrants in to Ireland and also organising far right activists to protest against that.

Do you agree with Gino Kenny on this issue?

The reason being that whilst the current government are reprehensible some of the current opposition seem likely to be mentally unhinged.

Were a coalition involving Sinn Fein and People Before Profit amongst others to be our next government, we may well have someone who believes insane things like Gino Kenny responsible for a ministerial portfolio.

As bad as the current shower are do you believe having wack-a-doodle Gino Kenny responsible for a ministerial portfolio would be a positive thing for this country?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341779#Comment_120341779

So the choice of Government is either Fianna Fáil, Fianna Gael or a Gino Kenny government is it?

So you are happy with another round of fianna Gael and fianna fáil just so long as it's not Gino Kenny?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341848#Comment_120341848

I never said any of that.

You should run for office yourself, you've got the ducking and diving down to a fine art.

Still no answer to the question notably.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341779#Comment_120341779

I think Gino is going to have a bit more to worry about when he is knocking on the doors next time around looking for votes rather than the latest conspiracy theories he is bladdering on about.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341341#Comment_120341341

I know the sentiment and the truth is all of Europe is changing beyond recognition. However if north inner city is already lost then people need to prioritise protecting other parts of the city.

Ireland is not quite Sweden yet although heading in this direction.

Bobblehats

Personally I just look right thru em. 2nd class citizenry? How about not even existing as I envisage Rodders; Leopald or maybe Mc Entree instead with a thousand yard stare

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343799#Comment_120343799

There are no classes of Citzenship in Ireland.

So would you mind explaining what exactly is a second class citizen to you?

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344011#Comment_120344011

If the gaijin came as guests they would have continued bn prioritised accordingly as long as they did the honourable thing left in good time.

I think anyone can acknowledge there’s nothing more irritating than a guest that puts their feet up and overstays their welcome... resentment creeps and the more the murkier; that’s just how it is. Some of us take pride in our household, in our duties and we like to retain that sense of good homestead.

Beasty

nullzero and TomTomTim threadbanned

Patrick2010

1500 new Irish citizens at the ceremony yesterday, one of whom referenced Irish people going to other countries because of circumstances beyond their control like she came to Ireland from Nigeria. So the only place to move to is a small island on the west of Europe, nowhere else in the huge continent of Africa?

it’s in today’s Indo btw

clytemnestra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344685#Comment_120344685

I googled the woman who said that. She seems to come from a comfortable middle-class family in Nigeria, and her reasons for moving here in 2014 are suitably vague - marriage not working out, two kids, wanting "a better life". So obviously she travels 7,000 kilometres and lodges a claim for asylum in Ireland, sits it out, gets leave to remain. She doesn't say that explicitly but there's no way it was a skilled work visa as she refers to the Church helping her in the beginning when she wasn't working. She describes her employment status in 2021 as:

"I’ve been involved in some community development projects and would like to continue to facilitate workshops on adjusting to an all embracing diverse environment on acceptability and understanding of the uniqueness of other cultures and ethnicity."

So in other words, she's on the NGO/diversity gravy train. Seriously, I'm sure she's very nice, but just think of the huge amount she and her kids have cost the Irish taxpayer in welfare, healthcare, housing, legal fees, education, the nonsense made-up jobs (can't link to her LinkedIn here but her job history scanty to say the least and looks like a lot of volunteering and CE schemes).

There are tens of thousands like her, and the reason they're here is that our IPA system is not fit for purpose.

https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/14320/1/Africa%20Magazine%20May2021HFallon.pdf

Patrick2010

Well done, so anyone from Nigeria can claim asylum on the basis of an unhappy marriage, we’ve become the ultimate soft touch

clytemnestra

Yes, she arrived a full decade after the citizenship referendum was supposed to put an end to this nonsense. Three years after Pamela Izevbekhai was finally deported after costing the Irish taxpayer over a million euros in legal fees. She should have been kicked out immediately. The only conclusion is that there are Irish people making a lot of money out of this - the legal profession, the providers of accommodation, the ever-growing NGO monster - and the will to stop it was not there. And as the NGOs have taken control of the narrative in the media, there's very little dissent.

creeper1

The country should really pause when it comes to taking in Nigerians. Nigeria is a country with an absolutely massive population and growing. It's predicted to overtake both the USA and China in this regard.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/403062-population-nigeria-to-overtake-china-u-s-by-2100-study.html?tztc=1

Only the most deserving of asylum cases should be granted. Certainly not just anyone wanting a better life. Otherwise the effect will be absolutely overwhelming.

Nigeria's current population is a staggering 218 million. There is so many, many more where she came from.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344093#Comment_120344093

Who are you referring to when you use the Japanese word meaning foreigner?

Jeff2

Was watching euro news and a guy said NGO..... None government organisation usually gets most of their funds from government.

He was cut of swiftly.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344685#Comment_120344685

Simon Harris told reporters after the ceremony: “Today is a sharp reminder of how our country is all the richer for the diversity"

Well, another "sharp reminder" was the new Garda station he had to open in O'Connell St earlier that day. North inner city is now completely crime-ridden and overwhelmed with refugees

maninasia

As much as I dislike the abuse of refugee policies in Ireland, the crime problem is not caused by them.

Put up the stats or shut up.

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347936#Comment_120347936

"All the richer for diversity"? I honestly hate politicians for their lying.

Being objective, a lot of immigration makes Ireland poorer. There's no way that someone that doesnt speak English or have an education is going to make Ireland richer. Yeah, some immigrants will make get good jobs and start businesses which employ people. However the average asylum seeker in Ireland really doesnt have that much to offer....

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347946#Comment_120347946

Have a look at this and make your own mind up...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

clytemnestra

There's also the intangible factors like the ever-growing number of minority groups who prioritise themselves and their interests over the native population. It's not something we've had to deal with before with the relatively homogenous population we had post-Independence, and there's a refusal to even acknowledge it might exist. Take this for example:

https://council.ie/nigerian-irish-teens-develop-a-dementia-app-for-sufferers-coping-with-lockdown/

This is a feelgood story but when you look a bit closer, you see that the girls benefited from funding and mentoring from a group which is only interested in helping people from an ethnic minority background. Not Irish girls. And it doesn't take class into consideration at all. Quote below:

"When Nomayo realized she was often the only female or person of color in her classes, the obvious imbalance troubled her. So with the goal of bringing more girls and people of color into that space, she founded Phase Innovate, whose mission is to mentor and train underrepresented minorities in the fields of tech and business."

First of all, why wouldn't you be a tiny minority in a white European country? That in itself isn't some terrible injustice, it's just a fact. Being a minority does not make you automatically oppressed, in fact Nigerians in Ireland tend to be a very wealthy subset of their own population. But the question has to be asked: how does this make Ireland richer for diversity if some groups have no interest in "Ireland" and only want to help themselves? Because that's what's evident to people who unlike Simon Harris, actually live in "diverse" areas and see this playing out. I've mentioned this on a previous post but I find it really striking when I look at local volunteer groups who look after local heritage, litter-picking, community fundraising etc - they are exclusively native Irish. For whatever reason, our "new Irish" are not engaging with the place they've made home, they're not interested in anything outside themselves. It would help if our government did not funnel endless resources to NGOs which encourage this Balkanisation in communities, but they seem to have adopted a depressingly American approach. You could probably say it's human nature that people will look out for their own, but shouldn't we be trying to mitigate this if we want a cohesive society?

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348078#Comment_120348078

Whats this garbage?

I said give me some stats on how refugees are causing a crime wave in Dublin.

Galwayguy35

Do the people who get citizenship at these events pay for it or is it free.

If they pay then fair enough but no way should it be given away for nothing.

Tipperary animal lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348311#Comment_120348311

Just over the grand all in and not a bother then to travel back to the country that some have fled for their lives for a holiday on an irish passport, money well spent sure.

Nosler

If I bought a Ferrari badge and put it on my Ford Fiesta would it mean I had a Ferrari?

irishproduce

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0312/1361762-direct-provision/

The article above is well written. But for those not paying attention or unable to read between the lines, the govt is enacting a soft policy on this.

Essentially those long term loitering within the asylum system and "single" are being asked to move out into tents and free up accomodation.

You might interpret that as a need to free up scarce accomodations for genuine cases.

The 52 lads that have been asked to move will now move in with friends or single mothers they are riding, in order to free up the space for more pressing people arriving here.

keynes

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/12/numbers-in-state-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers-doubles-to-over-20000/

The IT reports that 20000 asylum seekers now being accommodated by State. And the government's response?:

“The Government recently announced plans to develop three accommodation centres on State land, with the potential to provide 400 beds”

That's not 4000 (which would be bad enough), but 400. Why do they continue with this insanity when they simply don't have the resources? Hotels were never designed for full-time residence, and it's laughable that the government are now blaming hotels for price-gouging. Well, when so many hotel beds in the country are taken up by asylum seekers, what exactly did they expect to happen hotel prices?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348311#Comment_120348311

They pay over €1000 each

irishproduce

An absolutely excellent post. I feel the same. On a human level most of these people are probably sound as I am sure she is from what I see if her.

However, although it feels great to support people like her immigrating, and not only does it feel good to wave the flag of diversity but it aligns with the supportive media, we have a problem firstly financing all this and secondly integrating and changing the type of society we have.

These things are ignored. And asking about them is like bringing up the deceased's bad deeds at the funeral, ruining the buzz basically

irishproduce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344804#Comment_120344804

I was trying to reply to this post

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120349522#Comment_120349522

1000 euro to get an irish passport is a bargain.... they get the passport then get access to all the free stuff from the irish taxpayer...

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348229#Comment_120348229

The days of "native" populations are long gone. They only ever existed in the past because it was very difficult to move around or from country to country - people often didn't even move away from the village or town or townland where they grew up. These days it is possible to fly to the opposite side of the world in less than 24 hours.

Everything has moved on. The very nature of the modern world is that it is much more mobile than at any point in its history - migration, immigration and emigration will be the absolute norm from now on. Homogenous societies where everyone is the same colour, the same religion, the same nationality and speak with the same accent are little more than a historical statistic at this point, particularly in any of the developed countries. The anti-refugee guys cannot accept this of course and are still stuck in the Ireland of the 1940s and 1950s (ironically, a place that was dark and depressing and inward looking and far from a utopia).

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120350946#Comment_120350946

It’s quite entertaining consistently deconstructing this nonsense.

Let’s begin with the quotes around ‘native’ populations, with the inference being that this is an ill-defined, intangible concept. Previously, this tactic was applied to ‘legal’ immigrants. It’s now been crudely transposed to native, indigenous populations.

Unfortunately for you, native populations are far from being displaced, even across the developed world. I had the pleasure of engaging in some business travel in Czechia, Poland, and the Slovak republic last autumn. It was refreshing to spend time in European countries secure in their identities with vibrant indigenous cultures. I suggest you avoid at all costs, given that the local populations overwhelmingly shared a common nationality, religion (or none), and indeed ‘colour’. Interesting that this adjective was inserted into the narrative. Perhaps a Freudian slip, but certainly indicative of the mindset in play here.

Let’s move on to the advanced economies of East Asia. China is more than 90% Han Chinese; Japan is 97% Japanese; Korea is similarly Korean. Those native populations are far from being displaced. Much closer to home, there are scores of towns within 20 miles of Dublin city center, overwhelmingly populated by the native, indigenous Irish. Even within Dublin, there is a plethora of suburbs, particularly in the more affluent South East and North East of the city, that are remarkably indigenous.

These are all living, cohesive communities that are far from an historical statistic. Whilst we’re discussing statistics, the data also shows that indigenous, yes native European populations, are utterly opposed to the demographic overhaul of their societies. Whilst the world may be more mobile, the push-back by the indigenous is only just starting to ramp up.

This is something that the open border fanatics fail to comprehend, given that their ideology is grounded on a decades-old principle that all immigration is unquestionably positive. It really threatens their worldview, when the native populations advocate for their own interests and reject their ideology.

Mullaghteelin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120350946#Comment_120350946

This sounds like the utopian "end of history" idea, that Ronan McCrea of University College London writing in the Irish Times recently, claimed Ireland was the outlier for still buying into.

Ireland had moved from being the outlier in terms of its illiberal conservatism to being the outlier as the only remaining example of a place where, to use the term popularised by political scientist Francis Fukuyama in his 1992 book, history had “ended” and a paradigm based on globalism, capitalism and liberalism had seen off all challengers.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/02/15/irelands-flirtation-with-liberalism-may-be-coming-to-an-end/

He argues that Ireland, being late to modernize, embraced this liberal idea to the extreme, even as other countries had begun to question it and reject it.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120351526#Comment_120351526

Globally it is. Most non Irish never played it young and have no association with it.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348229#Comment_120348229

🤣🤣🤣

This reads like the opening for a conspiracy theory.

"This is a feelgood story but" but then you realise the protagonist isn't like you but its too late and they have eaten your children.

Remember folks anything different is bad even if that person is doing good things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120350901#Comment_120350901

Rugby is played in very few countries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120351526#Comment_120351526

95% my arse

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120351774#Comment_120351774

Ireland’s flirtation with liberalism may be coming to an end

To date, the main parties have avoided playing the migrant card but this may be about to change

Have highlighted the key word in both head and subhead. Wake me up when something significant starts happening to substantiate his thesis...

enricoh

Saw on YouTube a everyone welcome shindig a month or two ago in fermoy, pascal Donohue n camera crew at it. Easily 100+ people at it. Could each and every person at the event be identified and have a couple of refugees dropped to their houses. It shouldn't just be the ordinary citizens of fermoy to get landed, it should be the cheerleaders.

https://www.thejournal.ie/fermoy-sexual-assault-vadim-veste-6017969-Mar2023/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-34-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teenage-girl-in-fermoy-1.4797319

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/fermoy-rape-victim-found-hypothermic-25670037

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120353518#Comment_120353518

I'm in favour of abortion being legal in Ireland. Does this mean I need to take one of my living children to be terminated?

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120353518#Comment_120353518

You would be very concerned for female family and friends if you were in Fermoy.

Jesus that is shocking.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120353518#Comment_120353518

Saw the RTE headline today regarding that woman. Didn't need to read it. These days you know instinctively before you click the article and I'd just get annoyed if I did read it.

We are already at Sweden 101. They don't need to open the articles either and haven't for years.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120353518#Comment_120353518

they're an EU citizen, are you against the freedom of movement in the EU?

edit: oh i just read he had previous, yes that's shocking he was able to get in.

Thelonious Monk

...,

optogirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120338831#Comment_120338831

so we just allow a shower of crooks to keep making a hames of things. At the very least I'd like a fresh face making mistakes instead of the same old lads who have thought of nothing and are all out of ideas.