Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088039#Comment_122088039

In a world where the Ukraine war has not happened it might not be such an issue. I guess AS are the most obvious cohort to punch down on but that in itself is exacerbated by the allegedly high proportion of non genuine asylum seekers.

We're now in a position where we have one of the largest born foreign population in the EU but seem unable to support our third level students and couples looking to get married/ have kids with accommodation. It seems the thought of people skipping ahead while Irish citizens are disenfranchised is driving people round the bend.

I spoke with an FF candidate today. I just asked him what he thought and his answer was the influx needs to stop and more along that line. He got quite animated. That's striking coming from FF.

We probably need a year or two off from this carry on so that people can settle down and integrate and tempers come down. Not sure what's going to happen but a bit of guidance from government about what to expect might help. They probably need to put in limits, e.g. 20k asylum applicants per year and rest turned away.

I think a big issue is the things that haven't happened, i.e. the African population is booming, how would we cope if 1 million turned up tomorrow looking for asylum. Having a plan around such potential issues would be helpful but up until recently the government has refused to address any and all concerns. I think they should address all concerns, (no matter how outlandish) and give a roadmap for 10 years so people know what to expect. That might calm things down especially if they stick to their plan and build trust.

It's actually pretty sad, it feels a bit like we've been lurching from one crisis to another since 2008. While understandable in some places to a degree and in the circumstances, seeing Irish people uniting against immigration/ asylum seekers is awful.

Tefral

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089308#Comment_122089308

Why dont they apply through the Visa System then before coming here? There is loads of job requirements on there for which you can have a Visa to work.

There is a huge (and I mean Huge) deficit of workers in the Construction Industry. A General Operative can get 17e/hr without any qualifications…

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089314#Comment_122089314

Our Taxes have been competing against us for years, if you weren't aware that councils have been buying private houses for years, you must have been asleep! Missed out on a.house myself last year because the council bought it (well over the odds too)

its another abuse of the housing market by government. time to start building massive housing projects, should have been started 14 years ago.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089326#Comment_122089326

Could we not say the same about the Undocumented irish in US at the moment who are there illegally for decades in some cases? yet calls from here to make them legal.

I agree re deficit of workers in the Construction Industry etc. So those here at the mo, fast tracked through the system, either deported or left here in space of months THEN offer those still here legally jobs to plug the deficit of workers in the Construction Industry perhaps.

This is the disastor we fell into last few decades with this direct provision system.

Tefral

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089337#Comment_122089337

In America, they wont give you a home and a medical card and Social Welfare if you are not contributing to the state, here they do….

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089257#Comment_122089257

When did you buy your house? How many times your salary was it? Was it easy or difficult to buy?

Maybe you should try putting yourself in the shoes of todays young generation, rather than pontificating about how easy life is these days?

Was there 12,000 homeless in the 80s by the way?

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089336#Comment_122089336

In light of this morning's tender, would you agree these IPA immigrants are now detrimentally affecting our housing supply?

willyvanilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089257#Comment_122089257

I'm not going to blame you for being wildly out of touch, but you are.

Its probably a wonderland now for those who got through the hard times of the 70's and 80's, quadruply so if you more than likely bought housing and have watched it increase in price to the stratosphere. Congratulations.

As I said above there is still a sizeable cohort who are "okay" in Ireland. But it's all transitional, we are very much moving rapidly into a broken society and the cohort of the comfortable will inevitably shrink, and the cohort of the uncomfortable will grow.

I'm not going to go into some ridiculous back and forth about hypothetical situations, but it's safe say that childcare is becoming increasingly inaccessible, housing is all but non existent for many and growing and so.

Thats what matters most to anyone, and you better believe that if you were without a home right now and suddenly on the receiving end of trying to compete to get anything, absolutely anything, at eye watering prices that essentially negates "gainful" employment, youdbe singing a different tune.

But you aren't, so you're not, and your opinion on how good people have it is entirely irrelevant if not agitating in its misplacement.

You overcame whatever challenges you faced, now get out of the way for those who have statistically worse challenges now. Thanks.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089321#Comment_122089321

Good post and echos my point about capacity.

Thats really the only thing that matters.

What is the expected inflow and what housing stock do we have today, and in the piepline, to accomodate that inflow.

If the inflow is greater than capacity then people are living on the streets. Which nobody wants to see.

The govt should be producing 2 to 3 year plans that model the above.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089302#Comment_122089302

He's gone for a lie down 😉

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089349#Comment_122089349

I would suggest that everybody in the country affects our housing supply.

willyvanilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089296#Comment_122089296

Yeah its hilarious that there's a bumrush from third world countries all over the entire world trying to squeeze onto a tiny island with social welfare that pays more than 6 months salary at home in a week.

while the people of the tiny island are sent up **** creek from the resulting lack of infrastructure.

For one lot its amassive improvement in life, for the other lot its a massive downgrade in life.

Youd be in stitches about it, it's comedy heaven, a laugh a second.

This situation is going to be sorted out one way or another, and it's going to be the furthest thing from "funny".

CollyFlower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088920#Comment_122088920

This is the accommodation they'll be put in when/if returned to Rwanda. I'd go there myself.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/english.elpais.com/international/2024-04-24/inside-the-rwandan-center-that-will-house-uk-deportees-come-as-a-guest-leave-as-a-friend.html%3foutputType%3Damp?espv=1

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089316#Comment_122089316

If they turn out to be bogus then they are deported.

So even acccording to your numbers 75% are legit asylum seekers not illegal immigrants.

willyvanilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089369#Comment_122089369

So the more arriving into the country, the worse it is.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089348#Comment_122089348

Did you read my post? As I said housing is the biggest issue facing the country today. It's not right but it's our own failure not immigrants.

Lots of our homeless was emigrated in those days too.

Outside of that the country is much better than it was then in almost every way.

marno21

» I spoke with an FF candidate today. I just asked him what he thought and his answer was the influx needs to stop and more along that line. He got quite animated. That's striking coming from FF.

The difference in outlook between FF Cabinet members and FF local reps/FF supporters is quite something.

All 3 major parties in Ireland are completely out of touch with their members. In fact, the widest gap between the party parliamentarians and their support base is actually Sinn Fein.

It seems that only the small parties and independents are actually in touch with their supporters. Especially the Soc Dems with woke twenty somethings and the Greens with the eco-dweebs.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089369#Comment_122089369

I specifically asked about IPAs, will they now detrimentally affecting this country's housing supply in light of this morning's Tender?

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089250#Comment_122089250

Well said and what happens when the money dwindles. Corporation tad from foreign companies contributes massively to our tax take. See the sh#t hit the fan when that dries up.

We are very much same as you. Came back to ireland in 2001. Hoping to take early retirement and be gone again.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089102#Comment_122089102

They've all passed through at least 10's of other safe countries before they come here. That is called tourism really.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089337#Comment_122089337

Yes we could say the same about Irish people living illegally in the US. Irish people living illegally in the US does not make people living here illegally ok

Viscount Aggro

Newtown has a history…

https://heritage.wicklowheritage.org/places/newtownmountkennedy/the_battle_of_newtownmountkennedy

Its a tough town.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089250#Comment_122089250

Well, I don't see what you find mystifying about it — you'd move abroad for what you perceive to be a better life like any other immigrant (and without claiming clairvoyance, I'd be pretty quick to bet that Ireland will continue to be a generally safer country than many of those that asylum seekers come from — but they are all sob-story peddlers as is said) and you'd live in a property that a native person might otherwise have had and use services that might otherwise be devoted to native people.

It's interesting, after all, that we never see anyone on here berating the young people of Ireland for flocking to Australia at a time where Australia is experiencing a housing crisis — or even places like London for that matter where young British people are also being priced out of their native market. But of course — we will be quicker to point out the differences to other types or nationalities of migrant before we would ever dare to acknowledge the similarities.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089387#Comment_122089387

Everyone coming into the country affects housing supply

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089389#Comment_122089389

“End the migrant scapegoating for government failures“ it says on the back of my constituency MEP social dem candidates flyer.

I appreciate some in society do blame migrants for everything(the took our jobs brigade) , but I’ve yet to see a TD blame migrants for any of the other ongoing generational issues. I’ve also yet to see the government say it’s because of migrants we are having x issues - so all in all a bit of a weird thing to put on the back of a flyer for someone I’m expected to take seriously in a European election.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089382#Comment_122089382

No they aren't. 6700 applications rejected last year , 100 deported. How ofter does this have to be repeated. We do not deport

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089394#Comment_122089394

I don't discriminate against individuals coming into the country. Everyone in the country or coming into the country affects housing supply. returning Irish, EU citizens, UK citizens, visa workers, everybody

the government should not be handing the provision of social housing to private companies. And they should not be taking from private housing stock during a housing crisis. They should not have sold of their own housing stock, and when they did, they should have replaced it like for like. Time for them to build

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089296#Comment_122089296

Not this argument again... anyone going to Australia will be expected to prove they can support themselves and not be a drain on the country. No one is showing up in Australia expecting freebies

willyvanilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089428#Comment_122089428

Yes.

And the more that do, the less housing there is. An entirely predictable and provable and demonstrable trend line over time.

As evidenced by everything.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089449#Comment_122089449

But you assume everyone coming here expects freebies, no reason to think that.