Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092928#Comment_122092928

If you're fleeing Death/Warzones and extreme poverty then a tent and food in Ballsbridge is like Heaven…

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092740#Comment_122092740

Not at all. I just love balance and fairness. I hate when people are hounded off threads. You don't even know my viewpoint but I sense you think I am pro open borders or some such. In this thread you either nail your colour to the mast immediately or you are pro open borders. You have to admit there are a lot of loolahs involved in the anti immigrant movement (excuse the bland term).

o1s1n

I see some of our best and brightest were out protesting outside Simon Harris's home.

Funnily enough the sign on the right almost reads a bit like:

South Dublin says 'NO CLOSE THE BOARDERS'

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092928#Comment_122092928

They absolutely have a choice

Let's be clear on that… no-one is forcing these people to stay here and sleep in tents on the streets or in parks.

They are just as free to leave the State and try their luck elsewhere in any of the countries they likely passed through to get here in the first place.

keithb93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092812#Comment_122092812

So you want to house them in Europe, Ireland and in their home countries? These "centres" would be overwhelmed immediately when people realize they don't have to make the long dangerous journey to Europe to have a chance to suckle and the teat of the European Tax Payer.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092961#Comment_122092961

🤣🤣🤣

Actual cosplaying nazis in the national party or whatever ta fudge they are called this week involved with protests

Actual racist actions by protestors at sites.

Racists recording themselves at the dublin riots engaging in racism

Waves hand but there is no racism involved.

I'm all for a reasoned discussion on immigrants but if your idea of reasoned consists of sloganeering and closeted racist beliefs well some of us don't consider that reasoned.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092996#Comment_122092996

Get off this thread you monster.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092913#Comment_122092913

Rent out to immigrants?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092928#Comment_122092928

No, we all realise they are real human beings. We just think that these human beings should be back in their own states of birth and doing their bit as citizens to make them better places to live. Not much to ask is it, to improve your own state.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092617#Comment_122092617

You must be reading a different thread so! The strong impression I have is that this thread is heavily weighted in terms of moderation towards those who are fully supportive of immigration and the more the merrier.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092984#Comment_122092984

Please tell me they weren't protesting at Harris' home too? Its such a stupid tactic. Have they a brain between them? Plays right into this shoddy government's hands.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092983#Comment_122092983

No one has been hounded off the thread - not everyone agrees with each other but everyone is able to hold their own. It is an internet forum after all - words do not hurt.

You referenced the "clearly intelligent ones" - as you mentioned balance, i was only querying you stance on everyone else? I do not know your view point, thus why i did not reference it one way or the other.

There are loolahs on both sides unfortunately.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093037#Comment_122093037

Yes, after all Irish people in the past didn't emigrate when Ireland was in the sh1te.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092928#Comment_122092928

They had a choice. Don't come to a country that cannot accommodate you.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092739#Comment_122092739

Well if you support Arsenal football club you may have noticed the Visit Rwanda logo on their shirts. The Rwandan government have spent a fortune trying to convince tourists to visit so I presume it can't be too bad.

Amongst African nations, it's considered a relatively safe and functioning country though the bar is not so high in that part of the world.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093075#Comment_122093075

Yea doesn't seem right, the more these "flash-mob protests" appear at peoples homes the more it strengthens the Government proposals for harsher laws against protestors…hmm..

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092967#Comment_122092967

Like I've said a hundred times in this thread, not one of them is fleeing anything. They've all been in various European countries for months or years at this stage. This idea needs to be put out to pasture.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092988#Comment_122092988

This passed through argument is boring and not relevant.

The countries you claim they passed through also take a huge allocation of refugees, more than Ireland.

People may come to Ireland for various reasons, English language, connections already here etc.

They're not obliged to stay in the first country they land in and it would not be fair if they all just went to the first European frontier country.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093087#Comment_122093087

ah the old reliable

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092928#Comment_122092928

Every single one of these people has chosen to leave safety and travel to ireland. That's the facts.

Your Helen lovejoy impression is nonsense.

Imagine putting you and your child at risk crossing the Channel on a dinghy from another EU safe country just because you prefer that country.

These people should not be given sympathy.

They should be arrested and deported.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093112#Comment_122093112

It's true though.

Ultimately people rightly look after their own welfare not their country. It's a basic human survival instinct.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092996#Comment_122092996

Thats is being massively disingenuous though.

You know full well that the vast majority of people have not been involved with any of that.

Up until recently far right and racist were thrown out at anyone even questioning the **** show that is our current asylum policy.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093120#Comment_122093120

Arrested for what? What crime?

It's not illegal to arrive in a country and declare asylum?

Do you not think it shows that these people are in a desperate situation if thy're prepared to risk crossing a channel in a dinghy?

I don't undertsand how people how post hear have any sympathy, understanding or human compassion.

Thankfully Twiitter and boards is not representative of Irish society

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092991#Comment_122092991

Absolutely not. A sizeable number making the hazardous journey have no right to be in Europe and are economic migrants.

Overwhelmed? What do you think is happening in Dublin at the minute? The government want to buy/rent properties to house them. They will likely buy/rent properties at exorbitant prices because they have no choice.

I do not want to house illegal migrants here, that's the point. You go to your local centre in or near to your home country and are assessed there, and accommodated there. The Irish government and EU can fund short term accommodation there for all I care.

If you are coming from a verifiable warzone, you won't have to wait long, no more than a couple of days, and you should then be responsibly transported to a safe country who can sustainably accommodate.

What should not happen is people in tandem with traffickers are encouraged to risk their lives making hazardous crossings of the Mediterranean for example. This benefits no-one, the refugees are exploited and tens of thousands have died because of it.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093093#Comment_122093093

I've followed the Rwanda debate a little in the UK.

Partly it was delayed for so long because the Tories couldn't find any credible evidence that Rwanda was in fact a safe country to deport people to and faced legal challenges. To get around this they signed a treaty with Rwanda declaring it a safe country and used this to push through domestic legislation. It still appears to be in breach of UNHCR.

I think they're still expecting last minute challenges on an individual level to Rwanda removals. I don't think these legal expenses are factored into the £2 million per person cost for initial deportations.

tobefrank321

Double Post.

boetstark

Apologies but I have a different slant on this thread. Look at the posts that are getting most likes, for an insight into how people are feeling right now.

In my opinion the biggest stakeholders in this mess , the taxpayer that sees amost 50% of their earnings taken by the government.

And this money is being squandered and fecked away on batsh#t projects that will have no real benefit to the average citizen.

And then just to crown matters welcoming every tom dick and Harry hard luck story from around the globe into a system that is broken and at capacity. But sure we have our obligations to EU and UN and every bleeding heart NGO.

Where are their obligations to the citizens that get up every morning and work damn hard week in week out and are still living at home because they cannot get on the property ladder.

Where are their obligations to that poor girl and her family that died in UHL. A hospital that is having millions pumped into it yet is still an absolute mess.

No they much prefer to swan around the middle east grand standing about a conflict half way across the globe. I'm absolutely fuming at the manner in which this country is being run. And the disdain these gombeen politicians have for us if we dare question.

Far right my ass.

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092996#Comment_122092996

I despise those groups protesting, always have, always will.

So what's your point?

Are you trying to lump me in with them? If so you will gain an instant report.

People throwing around the racism label like confetti is usually what ruins discussions like this. Eg Anyone who is against open borders must therefore be racist which of course is nonsense.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093147#Comment_122093147

It's illegal to arrive illegally and/or to destroy your documents on arrival.

Desperate situations in France/spain/italy/Germany?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093181#Comment_122093181

I wouldnt worry about Rwanda, its nothing more than a costly PR stunt. If it wasn't already guaranteed, the local elections should point to a labour government in the UK shortly which should see an end to the Rwanda idea.