Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099098#Comment_122099098

have to say, when I saw a clip of the recent podcast, I was amazed to see Coopers position. The last word had become an unbearable listen over recent years.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122098697#Comment_122098697

Where does it end though? 100,000 or 1000,000. The number of people living in the 3rd world who would like to move to Europe is probably in the billions.

If even a fraction of that number arrived, our entire welfare state would collapse and our economy would completely collapse.

Why can't you understand the simple point that people seeking asylum gain from this situation but Irish people lose out completely.

Irish people's children live at home until their 40's and young couples scrimp and save for years to afford a deposit yet we are supposed to find bilions to house random people who arrive here. Why do you act surprised that the majority are against this? The situation is absolute madness and won't continue for much longer.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099077#Comment_122099077

No kids, no worries, no bills, meals provided, living in a hotel, young, free, single. That sounds more than salubrious. I need to find a definition for that because I already gave you the definition for salubrious..

EU/UK residents are fully tracked from birth.

Also your argument is this "the problem is X, multiplying the problem by N does not increase the problem." Huh ?

mrslancaster

AS tents now pitched along the grand canal since mount street encampment was cleared a few days ago and the number will likely rise again in the next few days. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/04/asylum-seekers-sleeping-in-tents-by-grand-canal-say-they-have-nowhere-else-to-go/

If AS need to present to the IPO to apply, maybe there should be several IP offices eg, at citywest, crooksling, trudder. Otherwise people will continue to pitch tents in the general area around mount street with no access to basic sanitary facilities.

Jizique

On What it Says in the Papers after the 8am RTE News, the guy said that a poll in the Indo of over 1,300 people showed support for a "Rwanda-type arrangement" (didn't give number bur obv >50%) but it was dropped from the 9am version of WISITP

paddyisreal

It shows how the middle group is moving tbh. Cooper knows how to read the room he runs with the hair etc. I wonder if yeats, cooper,McDowell,McNamara will be all labelled right wing etc

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099127#Comment_122099127

They were by some of the homeless charities. I remember walking down Henry Street early one morning and there were tents all along the street. They are then moved on as the city centre opens up.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099160#Comment_122099160

Both IPA offices in Mount Street and Citywest are only open Monday to Friday. Wonder what happens to anyone who’s arrived since Friday evening considering it’s a bank holiday weekend. Is there someone standing outside directing them to where they get tents?

Not directing questions at you personally, just thinking out loud.

Water2626262

One thing I’m not clear on is what happens when the asylum application fails and they are told to leave. Do they still receive free accommodation and food? If this is the case then surely they are tracked. Also it would mean that these people are creating the tent situation by overstaying here.

One thing that covid showed us is that anything can be done very quickly when there is a will. Why aren’t they doing the same to get on top of these applications.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099098#Comment_122099098

The CTA only applies to UK and Irish citizens afaik it is not for other nationalities including other EU citizens. That free movement changed since brexit.

I don't know any irish person who has a problem showing a passport when entering the state from the uk through airports or ferry ports, or vice-versa. I wouldn't have a problem showing a passport at NI border.

tom23

We just need to build more houses. All these males who hate living for free off the Irish taxpayer are doctors engineers and construction works. Dying to get out there and build those 250k houses so they can have a front door of their own like Roderick promised. You wait and see… Been the second richest country on paper we’ll eventually get there.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099192#Comment_122099192

Heard a man from one charity based in pearse street on rte in the past few days. He said they give out tents and are now feeding thousands daily. He said they are very stretched. Presumably other charities/ngo's also give tents to anyone arriving to the IPO to register.

It seems madness that the IPO only opens Mon to Fri in the middle of this crisis, and also that there are no IP offices at the airport and ferryports.

Miharo

Interesting figures from 2010 when Ireland received just 1939 asylum applications yet 572 people were assisted to return home or removed from the state.

At some point the Department of Justice made a conscious decision to stop doing both these things. Shows the utter incompetence and negligence in this area.

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StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099247#Comment_122099247

As per the website -

Mount Street Mon-Fri 9am -2.30pm

Citywest Mon-Fri 8am-2.30pm

😂

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099247#Comment_122099247

Tis a pity those who are granted €113 PW while waiting for housing don't contribute towards those who are feeding them, surely they'd feel obliged to be handing up something. One would presume they volunteer their services for prep, cleaning etc seeing as they are fine strong men and have nothing to do ...

Spanish Eyes

How can NGOs be "non governmental" when their raison d'etre is to implement subcontracted Government policy and is Government funded?

zell12

Newstalk discussing this now, criticising the powerlessness of the State to tackle "the little blue tents in urban centres" and that "it is too late for a solution now" to stop the boats (buses across border)

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099151#Comment_122099151

EU and UK citizens are fully tracked from birth? 😂 How exactly?

There is nothing stopping any UK or EU citizen coming to this country and.setting up wherever they want to. There is no vetting.

Considering everyone is so worried about unvetted men, it's amazing no-one cares.about men or women from Europe!

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099269#Comment_122099269

Not surprising so that people would have to queue for days to get through the door to make an application. That is one major thing that needs to change to prevent more tents being pitched in that area. How does the government not see the connection between short opening hours and long queues of people/tents?

More IP offices also.

suvigirl

Y es

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099098#Comment_122099098

Yes, we have a completely open border with the UK and the EU.

People don't seem to have any issue with that though.....

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099293#Comment_122099293

I used to think it was just a saying when people would say “the D4 elite”. But there actually is a cohort who looked down on working class people in the capital and the boggers from rural Ireland and told them/us to suck it up/there’s no veto/these people are fleeing wars/you’re all racist.

Now that the issue is camped out in their areas, they’ve turned into the people that they and the media threw so much scorn on.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099301#Comment_122099301

I guess so, you could just rip up your ID and seek assistance if you can no longer afford the rent here. And the government will house you and force up the rent for everyone else, and the circus can continue. You get guaranteed accommodation that way.

So, it you can't afford the rent in Borris in Ossary, and you are on the street, rip up your ID and claim asylum and get a hotel room, clean sheets and meals in Racket Hall down the road. 🤣 Just tell people they are being racist if they say anything. 🤣🤣

tom23

no it’s not utter incompetence- there has to be reason why this happening. it’s back again to who’s profiteering…

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099305#Comment_122099305

Yes we are part of the EU and the UK is our nearest neighbour. If you think there should be open borders across the whole world well you obviously have some utopic view of the way it will end. Get real ffs

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099301#Comment_122099301

I have never known Europeans to be violent.

Geert von Instetten

Are you suggesting that free movement within the EU is inconsistent with external border controls?

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099326#Comment_122099326

Yes, it a vicious circle. Taxpayers money being used to out bid taxpayers for accomodation, which drives the price up for all accomodation, requiring more taxpayers money to secure more accomodation, which puts further upward pressure on the market.

Short of some draconian measures, its difficult to see a way out of this. We won't be able to ramp up construction enough to reach a supply/demand balance so we will be forced to somehow combat the demand.

ooter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099293#Comment_122099293

The state have been handing out tents to new adult male arrivals since January, where did they think all these people were going to go?

tarvis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099302#Comment_122099302

surely the IP. follows the applicants - to Wicklow or Clare or wherever they are parked. If people must queue in Dublin then why would they stay in Wicklow -are they on the streets for that reason?

Why has the office not extended its hours months ago.?

Why is it still only Mon to Fri when it seems people are turning up daily?

People speak about how many Irish left here in bad times - they had to go thro Ellis Island and be vetted and health scanned before they set foot in the US. Nothing learned from history it seems.

Joined up thinking appears to be sadly lacking.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099327#Comment_122099327

It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dum dum da da dum dum