Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099655#Comment_122099655

I don't believe the Geneva convention mentions anything about detention.

You can't be prosecuted for illegal entry into a country if claiming AS. But you can certainly be detained until processed. Which is exactly what we should be doing.

The fact anyone can illegally enter the country, claim AS and then go off ontheir merry way is a national scandal.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100105#Comment_122100105

Firstly, you don't know that one group are law abiding citizens, that is my point. You know nothing about UK and EU citizens living here. No vetting, thought that was a big issue for posters?

Secondly, how many AS entered Ireland illegally? You cannot call the entire group of AS lawbreakers, when you don't know how they got into the country. Unless you have those figures?

I'm not the biased one here, there are posters complaining about unvetted men, but no issues with unvetted men or women from EU or UK. There are posters complaining about foreigners coming here for our welfare, but no issues with UK citizens being entitled to all welfare, same as Irish. There are posters complaining about men we don't know coming here, but no issues with men from the UK or EU, that we don't know either!

Nope, I'm not the biased one.

jam_mac_jam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100179#Comment_122100179

You do know about UK and European citizens who live here. Intelligence agencies and police forces with Europe and the UK share information. It's not very hard to find someone who works or lives in ireland.

To imply that you don't know the difference from someone travelling from the middle east with no documents is a bit disingenuous.

I get your point we don't vet EU but I am sure you understand the difference.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100179#Comment_122100179

Again more deflection. Entering the country illegally is illegal.

So EU/UK citizens entering Ireland = legal law abiding.

AS entering via lorries/NI border and/or destroying documents = illegal breaking the law.

People have no issue with EU/UK because its legal and reciprocal.

I'm bowing out now because you're either deliberately talking pony or you're actually incapable of comprehending simple facts.

willyvanilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100084#Comment_122100084

As I was saying earlier, this whole thing, the entirety of the bigger picture, is one giant corporate-driven hellscape.

There is no way on this green earth that it "makes sense" to import people from around the globe to do the most basic of jobs in a country practically devoid of basic housing, to name but one constraint. No way, ever, will it make sense. You may as well be hiring a window cleaner from kerry to do a 10 minute job in donegal.

The only benefit of such an incredibly, monumentally stupid idea would be if it were done because the conditions of the job offered by the employer were simply not good enough, survivable enough, to attract people already living in the country.

So in other words, it's cheap imported labour that can only ever result in

A) suppression of employment conditions below that of local necessity,

B) yet another person added to a chronically insufficient infrastructure (as opposed to someone already here, which is net zero)

C) an increase to overall societal cost, a la rent prices going up further, much to the joy of asset holders

It's a right wing, genuinely right wing, idea that operates entirely on exploitation that undermines both irish and migrant alike.

The trotted excuses to bypass these obvious societally disimproving results are an insult to sentient humans, classics like "the locals are too lazy", "the locals see it beneath them".

These type of brass neck policies that have been forced down upon us are legitimately infuriating.

Just look at the results thus far!

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100179#Comment_122100179

As regards vetting at least, EU migrants with previous involvement in crime would generally be flagged on the European Criminal Records System (ECRIS) because their crimes would be committed and recorded in the EU. This is less common in the case of non-EU criminals because their crimes will generally be committed in their country of origin. The State is able to automatically access to EU criminal records, it is unable to automatically access Nigerian criminal records.

Miharo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100106#Comment_122100106

The 3,700 who were returned from where they came technically weren't deportees. They were returnees as they never entered the state.

The fact remains that 4000 were returned or deported in 2011 versus practically none today.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122098744#Comment_122098744

Stop for god sake , becoming embarrassing at this stage. If you are so hung up on offering these people who have come to ireland without a visa , for a better life. Will you offer them a bed in your house.

I suspect not but yet you expect Mr and thousands of others to fund your Liberal agenda.

To hell with international obligations. Where are irish obligations. Obligations to provide for the electorate that voted for you.

1673 without accommodation and they are still arriving.

I will lay a little bet with you and all the other liberals.

Bon secour have put Barringtons hospital up for sale in Limerick city centre. The logical thing would be for the HSE to purchase it to alleviate the crisis in UHL. I bet within a year it will be full of IPA's

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100084#Comment_122100084

Sorry but have you ever heard of health and safety? All workers on a building site have to do a safe pass course and continuous inductions and tool box talks on site.
Cleaners - chemicals & manual handling
Bin Lorry - hazardous waste, manual handling.
kitchen & Food Processing - I’m sure there’s health & safety

English is essential for safe working environments

boetstark

Where ... does... the money ...come...from... for all this accommodation.

Massive national debt on a very fragile tax base but spend spend.

Suvigirl I know what I am talking about if anything happens in the US to discourage FDI we won't have money to turn on street lights not to mind housing all these refugees.

boetstark

Well some, if your definition is 100 out of 6700 failed applications

Geert von Instetten

Regardless of statistics on refused entry and returns, in 2022 there were 26 enforced deportation orders, in 2011 there were 280 enforced deportation orders, this, in a year where there were only 1,290 asylum applications. 

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100256#Comment_122100256

The greens have destroyed the country quicker than any climate change could have.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100209#Comment_122100209

Still no figures as to who entered the country illegally. So, your essentially claiming that all AS are criminals because they entered the country illegally, even though you don't know whether they did it not. And I'm biased!

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099862#Comment_122099862

The funny thing is that concept is right wing even far right which all the dummies in power don't realise when they try and scapegoat ordinary people for caring about their community

gerogerigegege

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100084#Comment_122100084

To integrate into Irish society you need English to communicate.

That is important in my view

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/potential-checkpoints-along-northern-ireland-32740392?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR39cl60jhlEbBRll_oLEoVa3y0pKOIzOKJjMyI28rR4QIkKOh3_MO7pIig_aem_AQTEbiPI_dMsbpxr0PVu8APfy1yRo6PCKNFXOOMfg09S4tSzbLW8E3YVfrpW4GTYTt4z9uyg-DtebFhFZoxobJLi

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100225#Comment_122100225

but the state don't access those records, because they have no need to. Unless someone here is convicted of a crime, no one is checking for previous convictions. Of course, previous convictions do not stop anyone travelling anywhere.

So, as I said no-one knows who the UK or EU citizens are in this country, but yet I don't hear complaints about that.

Kermit.de.frog

This is the first time in Ireland that virtue signalling and human rights advocating general leftism has led to a crisis. People who advocated for this utopia are now falling silent because the consequences are there for all to see. It's impacting them, it's impacting everyone.

I think it's a big turning point.

I think the political outcome of all of this is going to be enormous.

jam_mac_jam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100293#Comment_122100293

Police and intelligence check police records in investigation of crimes and in terrorism prevention. They also have huge police coperation between European forces and provide information back to other countries for crimes the foreign police are investigating. They will have access information on sex crimes and terrorism in other countries. They share information all the time. There are parts of the Garda specifically managing this.

Do you really not know this.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100275#Comment_122100275

No I actually quite clearly outlined AS entering illegally. Not ALL AS.

Comprehension again? Or pony?

But given every single one of them has had to pass through multiple other countries to get here. Countries they entered illegally but didn't claim AS in.

Even going by ridiculously outdated Geneva convention rules that makes them criminals.

They only get their get out of jail if they claim AS. But by entering and leaving without claiming AS that means they're just criminals.

So they should be treated as such when they arrive on our shores.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100317#Comment_122100317

Yes. All true. But not in any way relevant unless someone is found or suspected to be involved in terrorism or crime.

Noone is checking anyone entering the state. You could have a massive drug dealer from Germany, or Scotland living next door to you, no one knows who he is, or even that he is in the country!

Sex offenders are different

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100103#Comment_122100103

That's the same self published 'research' we've had here before.

You lot make the climate denial crowd look well informed.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100226#Comment_122100226

Do you have figures on how many were returned but not deported in recent years?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100232#Comment_122100232

what i witnessed at the site in Newtown, health and safety is one of many parts of the law that the IPO care very little for.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122098026#Comment_122098026

Whole country’s far right at this stage.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099553#Comment_122099553

Try putting www in with the link 😏

I even did rounded calculations for you🙄. From the oireachtus liink. 30 thousand adylum seekers, projected to cost 1 Billion in 2024 is 33 thousand each x 60 years is 2 Million

If there is a 50% labour participation rate and those who work are revenue neutral then it's a net negative drain of 1 Million Euro per asylum seeker

tom23

building site labourers have to do a health and safety course… no?

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100378#Comment_122100378

Would you expand on your issues with the research?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100341#Comment_122100341

A lot of supposing in your post with nothing to back it up. Now they were all illegally in other countries as well!!!

All so people can call them criminals, and dehumanise and make a 'us v them ' situation.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100450#Comment_122100450

It's published on the lead authors own website.

It's not published by any academic journal or publisher.