Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

creeper1

They ought not be allowed to work.

Wanting work should be a completely separate thing with applicants required to show criminal background checks, employers applying to bring people over because Irish can't or won't fill a position.

This allows some measure of control.

They are supposed to be fleeing war. Conflation of these two categories of purposes for arriving will lead to job seekers simply pretending they are under threat in their home countries and then I'll take that job thanks very much.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120437891#Comment_120437891

The excuses for the fighting in these places is worrying too.

Heard in radio one person defend the fighting cause was load of men in one place. See another say its over Ramadan.

Thr irony is that if a culture or two cant get on what hope for "Multi" Culture.

It does not worry me if we have 50 thousand come in or 50 million, if people could get along and make country better.

You now have Finland to list of countries that has a Centre Right Government. Denmark want to stop asylum seekers full stop. Google all this as you like.

If its been a disaster there what hope have we?

We need Migration. I don't care if they are not doctors or engineers if they want work in low pay jobs to better their lives and for family I'm all for it.

But I read stories everyday on local papers and it's crazy the % that seem contributing nothing but trouble.

We need to seriously consider who we bring in and get much tougher on people taking the compete and utter piss.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442195#Comment_120442195

They are allowed to work and rightfully so.

Its pretty disgusting to refuse people the dignity of being able to work and only giving them 38 euro a week in my view.

Kinda ironic as well that you have complaints about fighting in dp centres but the same people want to withdraw the right to work which would cause a lot of fights.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442308#Comment_120442308

Is it not about providing them with refuge from war / fear of death?

It would be good to get clear data on the numbers working etc. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere.

Bit torn on the work piece myself, I do understand why they should work, but think they should be granted asulym at that point. And we need to focus on speeding up that decision

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442312#Comment_120442312

To sit around in a hotel doing nothing for years?

Asylum seekers have the right to apply for work permits after 6 months and rightfully so.

Theres definitely an irony here of people complaining about fights in dp centres proposing policies to increase fights in dp centres.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442205#Comment_120442205

Its understandable how you have fights when 200 people all arrive at once and are in cramped spaces together. Giving people seeking refuge the right to work lessens all these fights.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442328#Comment_120442328

Absolutely rubbish. Defending violence is pathetic.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442321#Comment_120442321

The main problem I have is the length of time it takes to make a decision. However we don't leave people sitting around for years unless either the claim is hard to legitimise or they have been rejected and are appealing.

But tbh, I would rather sit in hotel in a safe country then fear for my life working in a war zone.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442328#Comment_120442328

So you agree that limiting the amount we accept, and acting in rejection would allow us up provide better supports for this genuinely in need of refuge?

Or do you feel we should accept unlimited numbers regardless of the lack of accommodation etc.

creeper1

What do you mean it's pretty disgusting? I don't throw a hissy fit at arrivals at Australia or Singapore because I am being denied the "dignity of work". I don't see why Ireland owes the entire planet "the dignity of work" . Someone fill me in on what war crime we committed?

I see a real danger in conflating the two.

Trying to better your economic situation and send money home is understandable. If there's work Irish refuse to do then I don't think objections would be that loud.

But is that what "international protection" is about? If it is then it's a misnomer.

It's a fundamental question because there are limitless numbers of people that would trade in their life in Africa for one in Europe.

And yes that would put downward pressure on competing locals.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442396#Comment_120442396

Some people are in agreement with allowing all these people in knowing this is what is happening.

When violence breaks out its because of something they agree with in the first place.

When they commit crimes it will be because the Irish aren't welcoming enough.

A realist would just admit cramming hundreds of single men with different cultures into places where they have no job prospects is just a bad idea.

Anyone in agreement and making excuses is in no doubt profiting from it.

Juran

Allowing asylum seekers to work is encouraging more illegal econmic migrants to come to Ireland, without travel documentation, through the UK & Belfast, or other illegal means.

Think of it. Accomidation provided (ok, shared room, but hey, its free, warm and safe) 3 hot meals a day, medical care, a few quid for essentials, plus 20hrs wages. Sounds ideal for most people, and you could live like this for years and years. If I was a homeless Irish or EU person living here, I'd be ripping up my Identification and claiming asylum. It seems there is an established system to provide for you and protect you. Unlike our homeless and people who are really struggling financially or those living with addictions - these poor folk are made thrawl through our social service systems, applications, waiting lists, interviews, means testing, etc, etc. With no guarentee of getting the support they need to set them back up for life again and allow them to contribute to society.

enricoh

The nursing home minister had to enact a ban on nursing homes closing and converting to housing refugees last year. Due to the numbers of places that were converting.

That ban is up for review now- any murmur at all from even 1 so called journalist in this country about this? Especially in light of the column inches n outrage devoted to the eviction ban.

Not a bit of it- chuck our most vulnerable out , the one's who kept the lights on in the 70s n 80s , paying 60% tax etc. This refugee farce is a sick joke at this stage.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ban-on-nursing-homes-converting-to-refugee-accommodation-to-be-reviewed-42416881.html

US3

Just reading the paper, a load of violent asylum seekers have been thrown out of city west. The only way they could get them out was to fake a fire drill and then not let them back in. These violent thugs are free to roam the streets now instead of being deported!!

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443880#Comment_120443880

That can't be true!!

Wow it is, things seem to be coming home to roost. It is and remains important we are a safe place for Algerians to come and escape the ongoing war there, especially young single men.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442396#Comment_120442396

Noone is defending violence

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443880#Comment_120443880

What an utter utter utter (repeat ×1000 times) mess. Someone needs to get a handle on this situation, like today. Why would anyone support this. We were such a great country, what a farce now.

This is the number one issue to sort out in this country today. This mass, unvetted immigration is such a catalyst for so many issues in my community and throughout the country. Again, I have absolutely no faith in this government and I am so frustrated as an innocent bystander to see this country my family and friends work so hard for, unravel so badly.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444786#Comment_120444786

do you feel we should accept unlimited numbers regardless of the lack of accommodation etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443314#Comment_120443314

Honestly...the students and their families need to make serious noise about this. People pussy footed around this issue last year and many students were left without accommodation. I heard UCD and NUI had Ukrainians on campus last year. Letterkenny gave over a lot of student accommodation to Ukrianians also. Money talks!

The government can fairly find accommodation for refugees when it suits them, especially in cities!

Irish people are very too passive about this issue.

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445229#Comment_120445229

Agreed. We should be more like the French.

40 Algerians booted out of city west for fighting and allowed to dander off into the town??? Ireland has been found seriously lacking by all this. Has the gov even tried to tackle this ?

supermans ghost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444786#Comment_120444786

Well you seem to be making excuses for it, at every turn.

creeper1

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41110216.html

Could not believe that myself so I done some digging. I found a link to the story so it appears to be true.

It seems that they didn't take too kindly to the little fire drill trick and became violent when they were not allowed back in and guards had to be present.

If they are too violent for city west they are too violent for Ireland.

What a shambles.

creeper1

“A handful of people". If only! They are entering in their thousands.

Luxembourgo

The interesting thing is despite differing views here I reckon the vast majority have similar opinions

Increase staffing and make quicker decisions

Deport those refused asulym and deport criminals

Refuse entry to those with no passports (exception when brought in by Irish authorities)

Use the above to provide refuge to genuine refugees fleeing war

Dont use social housing stock to house refugees, or if they are treat them like the rest at the back of the queue

Enforce existing EU laws re ability to support ones self

rgossip30

To those that argue Irish people go all over the world so we should accept unlimited migrants . The difference between those that leave and return is only a few thousand at best now. !!

https://www.migrantproject.ie/2022/09/06/increase-in-irish-people-leaving-the-country/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/refugees-could-be-housed-in-frascati-office-building-in-dublins-exclusive-blackrock-suburb-42420926.html

Gov taking a punt that middle class people won't be out protesting and blocking buses.

creeper1

I'm normally against it but please let this be true! Let them be housed in BlackRock. Let them be single males. Let them be a huge number and if the locals are against it, let it be known they are merely knuckle dragging racists.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446701#Comment_120446701

I'd assume the residents of Blackrock are working frantically behind the scenes to ensure:

a) it doesn't happen

b) if it does, that it's Ukrainian families only

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446722#Comment_120446722

Well when one of them Ass grabs a judges daughter in black rock the gov might start taking this seriously.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120447336#Comment_120447336

Surely adding more staff would be cheaper than this... Hh

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446701#Comment_120446701

Re the article, Blackrock isn’t a postcode…do editors even exist at newspapers anymore?

Doubt it’ll go ahead. Doubt there’ll be much opprobrium either if it does though.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446722#Comment_120446722

If this goes ahead, you can bet your house on it that it will be carefully choreographed. They will bring in loads of families, preferably with single mothers ("husbands fighting against the Russians") who will make ideal au pairs and skivvies for the good people of Blackrock. There certainly won't be the same as what the working class areas get (Somalian-looking "Ukrainain" single men of fighting age, looking for trouble).

This would then be an ideal opportunity for the government to say "look you racist oinks, the Good People are getting on great with their refugees, no trouble and everyone is happy, why can't you ignorant plebs be the same".

Patrick2010

Looks like they are getting rid of some troublesome Citywest https://twitter.com/gardawatch/status/1643920338353377283?s=21&t=ndSdFT5Ja8gKi9lQbKQU-g

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120448933#Comment_120448933

Off to black rock 😂

dontmindme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120448933#Comment_120448933

Bring them in and dump them on the streets...sure what could go wrong?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449226#Comment_120449226

If asylum seekers become unruly or disruptive, the asylum centre (or hotel in this case) are well within their rights to eject them. At the moment, it sounds like these guys are effectively homeless and with no roof over their heads. There is no actual legal obligation to provide state accommodation to people who are refusing to behave or follow the rules.

high_tower

ah sure. They’ll be paying out pensions.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449274#Comment_120449274

I'd have my doubts they would pose a threat to the rest of society. It doesn't sound like they did anything particularly criminal whilst in the Citywest (otherwise they would be behind bars at the moment or facing charges in the courts), more that the ones kicked out were just generally unruly or disobedient or anti-social or whatever and were told there was no more accommodation for them.

This ejection sounds like it was a good idea anyway. The law abiding migrant residents of the hotel were probably more than relieved to see the back of them.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449376#Comment_120449376

They are probably spread out through the city at the moment, rather than in one place. I'd be interested to hear a little bit more about what happened - how the hotel managed to identify the troublemakers and knew which ones to permanently kick out. It also sounds like the supposed 'fire drill' at the hotel may have been a ruse to get rid of the yobbos. The press haven't really followed up the story at all.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449816#Comment_120449816

Here is a link to the story.

"In a statement, the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (DCEDIY) said some people who were refused re-entry had been staying there “without specific authority”. 

"The department said a number of people who “had been previously requested to leave due to anti-social behaviour, were also identified and informed that they would not be allowed to re-enter the building.” 

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41110216.html

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449816#Comment_120449816

The press haven't really followed up the story at all.

I know, it's incredible isn't it? It's almost like they don't want to follow up on the story or something

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120450079#Comment_120450079

Did you miss my post below? No conspiracy needed.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41110216.html

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/04/06/some-asylum-seekers-refused-re-entry-to-citywest-over-serious-anti-social-behaviour/

It’s a massive circus the whole thing, why are tolerating this - rule should be if you **** around you’re out, no messing

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449299#Comment_120449299

And improve our GDP

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120450087#Comment_120450087

Of course I didn't miss the post Ha, the story is out. Not much point posting the story again when it's the lack of follow up on the story being discussed

How did they get into the CW hub in the first place. What sort of problems were they causing?

Where are these people now. Where are they sleeping/getting food/washing etc?

So many questions Ha Long and so few journalists to ask them

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449321#Comment_120449321

"I'd have my doubts they would pose a threat to the rest of society"

What are you basing that on? The only knowledge we have of them is that they were so out of control/dangerous that the centre concocted a ruse to eject them presumably because they and/or the Guards were afraid to go in and turf them out.

I'd have my doubts, based on what we know, that at least some of them don't pose a threat to the ordinary citizens among whom they are now roaming free.

It is bad enough when the government are bringing in every Tom, Dick and Harry with fake or no papers and putting them up in taxpayer-funded accommodation. It's far worse when they are throwing known troublemakers/criminals into the country with absolutely no idea or care as to where they are going.

Bobtheman

You gather any large group of men in tight living quarters you will have hassle. Particularly men who have been through trauma

Strazdas

There was a lot of discussion about this topic recently, but it looks like the authorities are serious making progress on the issue:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0406/1375668-simon-harris-justice-plan/

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451369#Comment_120451369

Of which we have no idea how many of these have been through.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451369#Comment_120451369

How do you know they've "been through trauma"?

It's equally likely they have caused trauma to others. Perhaps more likely in the case of these lads that had to be herded out of a refugee centre like dangerous animals because the security staff and Gardaí were afraid to go in and remove them.