Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Annasopra

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ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488245#Comment_120488245

Well it's not my definition is it? The definition is provided in the UN conventions as: "persons who are outside their country of origin for reasons of feared persecution, conflict, generalized violence, or other circumstances that have seriously disturbed public order and, as a result, require international protection."

There are two components there — the cause (i.e. violence, persecution etc) and the solution (i .e requires international protection). The difference as to why someone from Dublin wouldn't typically qualify is that there is simply less scope in our wealthy, egalitarian and healthy functioning democracy for a person to require aid that they cannot get in the State.

There are undoubtedly chancers who game and exploit the system, or people who may be on the very lightest end of the refugee definition — but going on as if international refugee laws or coventions are designed to capture things like potentially being mugged or called names is just needlessly reductive.

creeper1

Japan has recently shown great kindness towards Ukrainian refugees. They have admitted over two thousand. This is a high number for a country far away from another continent with no responsibility for what is happening.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/02/22/national/tokyo-refugee-policy/

Wisely this does not signal a change in policy generally for asylum seekers.

Ireland has done way too much for asylum seekers already. It's staggering generosity that has been shown. Nigerians ( a country with a massive and growing population) and others presenting can not be entertained. Ireland cannot save the world and cannot be Santa Claus to the world.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120489213#Comment_120489213

Only a few of those countries are at war. The asylum system is being used to bypass immigration checks. In the end it’s doing more harm than good. It’s madness that in the modern interconnected world you can just make up a story and turn up somewhere and expect to be housed and feed indefinitely.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120482414#Comment_120482414

Ah will you stop. They raised the pension age from 62 to 64 in France in response to people living longer. The state cannot afford the social welfare commitments from 62 to 83 (life expectancy) and the lazy French need to get over themselves. And it's not reflective of a general breakdown in society either. Bunch of drama queens on this thread. Mon Dieu.

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120485364#Comment_120485364

Yeah that stark statistic (305,000 applied for pps numbers ) is not to the liking of the Ministry of Truth types. Hence the need to bury it asap.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120490286#Comment_120490286

But the point is that there are large numbers of asylum refusals as well. As many people are turned down for asylum as are granted it. Turning up at immigration and giving a made up sob story guarantees you nothing.

I wonder also if posters here are aware that around 12,000 people applied for work / residence visas last year, had their application declined and were refused entry to the country.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491404#Comment_120491404

With no enforced deportations, just a notice asking people leave it’s not an enforced system. Even McEntee’s amnesty undermines the whole system. If your here illegally you are not paying income tax, I’m sure many will take the amnesty and claim the dole and continue doing what ever black market ‘jobs’ they were doing.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491499#Comment_120491499

For sure, but the assumption must be that considerable numbers are subsequently leaving the country and taking their chances elsewhere (as there is no obligation on them to inform the state what their future plans are.....they are now outside the system, with no legal entitlement to work or claim benefits).

As for the amnesty, it was intended to bring long term undocumented people into the system. You had to be living in the state for at least four years before you could apply for settled status. Not sure though why this would be a particular focus for people in Ireland - there are undocumented and black economy workers in every single country in Europe (the UK for example appears to have a much bigger black economy per capita than we do).

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491774#Comment_120491774

State benefits should be capped and for a limited time, they certainly shouldn’t be given to those that travel here to live off the welfare state. We have more than enough of our own that do that without importing more that bring even bigger problems with them. Ireland would be in a far better position if it enforced existing rules. For an example of this look at the number of non nationals on the housing list.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492346#Comment_120492346

But even EU citizens cannot travel to Ireland to claim benefits. You have to be legally working and paying taxes in Ireland for two years before you can sign on. The idea that people would move to another country just to sign on doesn't exactly sound that plausible either. Would you move to the UK or Germany just in order to sign on the dole there? If you wanted to better yourself as a person and build up some savings, you would definitely be looking for full time employment.

https://youtube.com/shorts/pwDfUJYuQyQ?feature=share

And are these the kind of problems we want to be importing into this land.

Yes we have our own causing the same trouble but still no excuse to be bringing more S h I T on our doorstep

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494898#Comment_120494898

Oh yeah the likes of the Healy Raes , Mattie McGrath and Michael Lowry are surely the people we need driving change in Ireland.

🤣🤣🤣

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494871#Comment_120494871

I’m spoiling my vote in protest. The independents in my area are all socialists.

Kyokushin Grappler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120490463#Comment_120490463

It's the way he did it that's causing the issues. He circumvented the constitution. That's a dangerous precedent.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494975#Comment_120494975

It seems there may be more than one plan along these lines afoot?

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/local-td-michael-fitzmaurice-calls-on-independents-to-create-new-rural-political-party/

https://gript.ie/we-want-to-put-ireland-first-rural-independents-on-a-possible-new-political-party/

I'd say the McGrath-Collins initiative might be more up your alley. AFAIK Fitzmaurice is not on the record as making any pointed comments about immigration; I'd see him as more of a left-populist...

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120495057#Comment_120495057

Hopefully they come soon and take away the socialists

US3

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Cyclonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492543#Comment_120492543

I'm afraid that's not correct. Regarding freedom of travel, an EU citizen has the right to travel to another EU country as a job seeker, and reside there for 90 days, if memory serves, after which they must have the means to support themselves (job, savings, etc.), or return to their EU state of origin. As a job seeker, a non-resident EU citizen is not supposed to have access to the social welfare system of the EU state they moved to, seeking employment.

For a person to claim a benefit, such as Jobseeker's Benefit (JB), they must have a minimum number of contributions, two years worth in the case of JB. (Social welfare contributions can be "transferred" from EU states, or other states with which we have bilateral agreements, though there is generally a minimum number of credited contributions from this state needed before you could qualify for a benefit payment; see here for more details, if interested).

An allowance, however, is not based on contributions, but is instead a means-tested payment. Examples include Jobseeker's Allowance (JA), Disability Allowance (DA), etc. If someone comes over as a job seeker, they would not be eligible for JA, for instance. If, however, they find employment, and happen to be lose that job, they would bypass the issue about not being eligible for a social welfare payment in Ireland. For instance, if someone worked as little as a single day in a mushroom house, that'd be all they need. The next hurdle they'd have to cross, however, would be the Habitual Residence Condition (HRC); more details can be seen here and here. The HRC considers five factors:

• Length and continuity of residence in Ireland
• Length and purpose of any absence from Ireland
• Nature and pattern of employment
• Your main centre of interest
• Your future intentions to live in Ireland as it appears from the evidence

The HRC can be quite nebulous, but, if a person can show they have ties to Ireland (such as family living here), have cut certain ties to their state of origin (such as closing bank accounts there, for instance), and that they intend to remain in Ireland/that it is now their main centre of interest, they can satisfy the HRC condition, and be eligible for JA, even if they've only worked here for a very short time.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120496361#Comment_120496361

I'm pretty sure I saw figures that around 10%-11% of those on the Live Register are EU citizens, so very much in line with the overall breakdown of the population. Moving to Ireland just to claim €220 a week on the dole would seem a total waste of time, especially when there are so many well paid actual job vacancies at the moment (record employment levels and lowest unemployment in 20 years).

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120495335#Comment_120495335

I don't agree that putting a rural/urban divide on things is the right course to take. TBH, I'd take an extremely negative view that it is a distraction to avoid dealing with the actual issue for Irish people as a nation

The problem is not an internal Irish dispute between "Dubs" and "Culchies". Or X county and Y county. Only Irish people give those identities any value. This is something new - or something old. Like 12th century old, where the indigenous people are still squabbling about the petty local allegiances to chiefs whilst something new is arriving in massive numbers from across the sea.

We've seen this sort of establishment political response in the US, and even the UK, where the dominant political ideology attempts to disarm and defuse the indigenous people's reaction to mass migration into red/blue state nonsense or con/lab crap. The indigenous people recognise a scenario where they are being marginalised is a bad outcome, and the political class that are doing it to them (i.e. all of them - red, blue, con, lab) attempt to misdirect their discontent into some tactical disagreements about tax rates, fox hunting, gun rights, "flegs" or values (whatever those are) as opposed to existensial questions about why London -the English capital - has a minority English population inside just 50 years.

Ultimately the hoped for end result is a "Northern Ireland" scenario where the locals are bitterly divided over minor street issues about who marches where, while the real state level policies are decided by "compromise". The repeated excuse is that the local, sovereign governments hands are tied by international or supranational commitments. This is a total lie. Look at the Stephen Lawrence killing - the UK government literally sent a Royal Navy nuclear submarine to spy on the the holiday discussions of a bunch of young men they suspected had killed SL. When the UK government wants to, they can move heaven and earth to try (and fail) to convict innocent men. When it comes to groups of men journeying across the English Channel in small boats? Nope, nothing that can be done. The Royal Navy nuclear subs stay in port. International laws, etc. The limits to their power apply when they want.

So forgive me if I am negative about some "new" political movement trying to misdirect Irish people into a rural/urban divergence instead of dealing with the real problem of a new Fingal. And if this new movement is attempting to cast it as Dubs/Culchies they are either honestly wrong, or they are maliciously attempting to install the same dumb US/UK politics. We end up with two parties who are viciously, personally opposed to each other on irrelevant topics but who both agree mass migration is good, private monopolies are good and we must wage the forever war on (China/Russia/Iran - delete as appropriate). Its almost laughable - all the dumb 90's "reformers" who talked about leaving FF/FG "civil war" politics behind end up in exactly the same dynamic where they agree on 100% of the day to day management of the state (endless mass migration) and only disagree about inconsequential nonsense: whose grandad was in the GPO/whose grandad was a racist.

enricoh

Maybe we should just disband the tourism industry altogether and focus instead on the refugee industry!

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/hospitality-firms-seeking-aid-as-housing-refugees-hits-tourist-trade-42440493.html

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120497769#Comment_120497769

Interesting post.

I don't think you're right in the way you characterise the Farmers Alliance as a Country versus City thing.

Listening to them it's more about

a. Producers being crucified by middle men and

b. Green policy being imposed on them in ways that don't even make sense.

That second one - the top down imposition on communities by an out of touch government - is what makes them allies not enemies of the urban protestors.

The Farmers Alliance are exercised about greenways and green policy demands for the same reason East Wall is out protesting about the direct provision centres being foisted on them.

I see the energy from the protests of the last few months is now starting to be cashed out in more structured alliances and arrangements - the parents rights/anti trans groups (Aontu meeting about this this evening in Artane), communities with DP centres moving on to legal objections. And especially, this Farmers Alliance and the the Rural Independents initiative.

Still scattered, like you'd expect from a ground up movement, but starting to mature and move on.

Most importantly they're now organising in ways that may be a political threat and that's what gets results. The IFA are already responding to the Farmers Alliance by criticising green policy themselves.

I've been thinking a lot about what the urban equivalent of the Farmers Alliance and the Rural Indo's initiative would be.

Particularly the messaging.

You've got housing, emigration, hospital lists as the main issues of the day. As PBP will tell you. But although they're all tied in with immigration you can't just come out and say Immigration!

That marginalises you. You get written off as sounding like the National Party.

Not saying that's a well founded reaction, but it's just how the message comes across to the mainstream right now.

Then there's also the other very strong message that this movement isn't about left and right, it's top bottom. It's about communities being imposed on by government. You can even tell NGO people that's what East Wall is about and get a positive reaction.

Is there any way to combine the two messages. Yes.

Communities are having housing lists, rental accommodation, schools, GP practices, overrun by the imposition on them of this unpopular policy.

There is no concern for communities being shown by government and they're being made to suffer.

Run on that in a local election.

Surprisingly in the clip I saw of Verona Murphy at the Farmer's Alliance meeting she was making exactly this argument.

Watch this space. There might even be candidates you wouldn't be embarrassed to vote for.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120498714#Comment_120498714

You mention East Wall in your post, but are completely ignoring that there were pro-immigration and pro-refugee marches in the area from the exact same working class community, perhaps even bigger than the earlier anti-migrant ones (and this also occurred in other areas where refugees had been targeted). This immediately throws everything you are saying about this being a "top bottom" issue into serious question.

brickster69

Migration pact was voted on by MEP's today.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1649010570035621888

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494975#Comment_120494975

All parties in Ireland are pro immigration control

brickster69

It is also aimed to speed up the return of migrants

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lawmakers-endorse-pact-revise-migration-rules/

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500278#Comment_120500278

"Force countries" and "mandatory relocations"

Remember when it was just a trading bloc.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500498#Comment_120500498

Italy seem to be getting totally battered with record numbers this year already.

https://news.yahoo.com/italy-declares-state-emergency-migrant-184319539.html

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120499285#Comment_120499285

Your statement that "refugees had been targeted" throws your post into disrepute.

Firstly, as you're well aware, the DP centers in East Wall and elsewhere, are used to house asylum seekers, not approved refugees. You've repeatedly stated throughout this thread that posters are conflating different migration streams, yet you don't appear capable of keeping the nomenclature straight yourself. Why is that?

Secondly, can you shed some light on the specific targeting in question? The protests appear to have been mostly peaceful and I'm not aware of individual asylum seekers who were assaulted or otherwise treated egregiously by the protestors. You wouldn't be making stuff up now, would you?

I'm not sure you're in any position to question the veracity of other posters on this thread..

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500942#Comment_120500942

My point would be that these protests (East Wall, Drimnagh, Ballymun etc) were not organic and were not local community led. They were orchestrated on social media by outside parties. There was definitely attendance by local people of course - but given that the counter demonstrations by pro-immigration people also took place in the exact same communities means we shouldn't necessarily be overly swayed by any of it.

Besides, there was an interview with a community leader who decided to attend the East Wall protest as an observer saying he didn't recognise a single person at the protest - nobody who was involved in the local community centre, homeless services, youth groups, outreach programmes, boxing club etc. They may very well have been locals, but didn't seem to participating in anything at a local community level.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502105#Comment_120502105

No. That’s not your point at all. You claimed that the protestors were targeting refugees.

We’ve since established that you’re unable to differentiate asylum seekers from refugees, which is rather undermining given your almost daily ‘contributions’ to this thread.

You’ve also not clarified how asylum seekers were targeted. Again, point out where individual asylum seekers were assaulted or treated egregiously by the protesters. Surely you can source reports of such incidents given your previous claim?

I don’t believe that anybody needs advice as to whether they should be ‘swayed’ or not, least of all by you. Most posters are pretty intelligent, capable of analysing the facts, and drawing their own conclusions. What is evident, is that they aren’t ‘swayed’ by the storytelling, downplaying, and half-truths propagated on this thread almost daily..

BTW, can you provide a link to that statement by the East Wall community leader to underscore the veracity of your claim? The leader of the protests was Malachy Steenson, who whilst not directly from East Wall, appears to be significantly embedded in the community. Who is the community leader to whom you’re referring?

Patrick2010

Government told they have to provide accommodation anyone who arrives the country. How did this "17" year old man make it all the way to Ireland?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/national/failure-to-provide-accommodation-to-afghan-asylum-seeker-unlawful-courts-rules/ar-AA1a9nr8?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=543edd2c2b004036bb3ecdf402be1442&ei=8

minimary

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41121844.html

So literally we have to accommodate everyone who arrives even if theres no space

ShamNNspace

A clown country

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503516#Comment_120503516

Its OK though. No housing crisis and plenty of space in Leitrim don't forget

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502289#Comment_120502289

The community leader was interviewed on RTE Radio around the time of the East Wall protest (on Drivetime I think). Said he decided to along as an observer to see just what was being said at these anti-refugee protests and who was involved. But he didn't recognise any of the protesters and didn't have any sense they were actively involved in the community, even though they may well have been local residents.

The modus operandi of these anti-asylum seeker protest organisers is well understood. Put up posts all over social media saying there will be a march at such and such a place and at such and such a time, but then try and make it look like that that the protest was organic and was thought of and organised by the local community. Then go along and live stream the protest and put lots of videos up about the 'silent majority'. Interestingly though, these protests seem to have gone out of fashion in the last couple of months....it may be that the authorities quickly wised up to what was going on.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120499285#Comment_120499285

TBH, I sincerely doubt they were from the "exact same working class community". Or any organic community. They were organised reactively. And they just so happened to spontaneously organise to support the policy of the ruling regime and all its money. Fancy that!

So I'd consider it extremely probable that these counter-protestors were being bused in by the mass migration industry to whatever "hotspot" is kicking off that particular week.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120498714#Comment_120498714

I don't want to demonise these people. I did allow they could be honestly wrong. Like you, I think there is a way to combine the two messages - by running on a unified pro-Irish party message that addresses the concerns of all Irish people, be they living in a housing estate or a one-off build. And that problems is mass migration and the challenges it poses. As opposed to a messaging or branding (i.e. "rural") which invites internal sniping between Irish people.

We can all see how the English and the Americans have been misdirected into intensely bitter, completely inconsequential infighting about fox hunting or gun rights that offers the panacea of avoiding tackling their actual existential concerns. We Irish should be well attuned to this given the only difference between FF and FG was what side of the civil war their grandparents were on.

I'm extremely cynical that when Irish dissatisfaction with the ruling regime erupts into grassroots protests that all of a sudden a "rural" political movement arises to pretend that the pressing issue of the day is that farming is regulated to appease these eejits in Dublin. Which then invites a "urban" political movement to pretend the issue is that not enough houses are being built to house the world and that every field in Ireland needs to be concreted over.

Its all very comforting - as you say yourself the unique selling point of this "rural" party is that "Hey, we're not the National Party. We pretend to be against the regime but we love mass migration so you don't have to be embarrassed to vote for us. You're just dissatisfied because farming has regulations" It seems like a pressure release valve for Irish peoples discontent, into inconsequential nonsense while the regime ideology is left unchallenged.

Mass emigration used to be the release valve, now I fear it will be dumb, divisive, American/UK style "politics".

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506120#Comment_120506120

I have no issue the with anti-asylum seeker protests, as long as they are peaceful (or with pro-asylum seeker, or any other type of protest)....we live in a democracy with freedom of speech after all.

The only thing I'd take issue with is trying to spin it as the 'silent majority' or representative of widespread public opinion. There's no way immigration or asylum seekers would come up in the top five or six issues facing the country in any current opinion poll. You can easily tell from the actual protests....around 100-200 people max showed up at the East Wall, Drimnagh and Ballymun protests, despite all the publicity at the time.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500498#Comment_120500498

It was never just a trading bloc. The very earliest efforts talked about common defence and political union - they were drafted by men who had lived through a near existential war waged primarily in Europe. They weren't motivated entirely by dividends or tariffs. There was a (brief) time it was for the interests of European countries and European peoples. The EU is just a vehicle that represents the ideology of the member states. The EU is not doing things to the member states - it has no independent power. It is not sovereign. It is a tool wielded by power. Like a gun, it can be used to do good as well as bad. It depends on who is holding it.

Look at the UK, they left the EU via Brexit and the waves of mass migration which motivated Brexit never altered. If anything they increased. The problem with mass migration into the UK always sat in London, not Brussels. But UK voters are trapped into voting for three parties who all support the same ruling ideology and only disagree on inconsequential nonsense. Whatever party they vote for, mass migration remains endless. That is their "democracy".

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506219#Comment_120506219

Well the pro-Irish protests are peaceful. What you seem to ignore is that an anti-Irish supporter attacked them by hitting them with a car. Which was hushed up extremely quickly. And it doesn't seem to bother you so lets stop pretending the threat of violence is coming from people who are concerned for their families and their communities is a real concern for you. Orwell called it 100 years ago - people not only approve of atrocities they agree with, they never even heard of them.

And lets face it - all of media and political pressure tells ordinary Irish people that if they are concerned with mass migration that they are intensely evil people who will be ostracised by all of their family and friends as some sort of scumbag. So we discuss the "top five or six issues" in Ireland (i.e. access to housing, education, health, crime, etc) and we all pretend that endless mass migration (i.e. demand) has no impact on those issues (i.e. supply).

There isn't a single top five issue facing Irish voters that isn't impacted by mass migration.

blarney_boy

What annoys me about this Afghan asylum seeker case it that he travelled 6000km to an Island on the edge of the Atlantic. Why didn't he apply for Asylum in Iran / Turkmenistan / Pakistan?

Or if that was too 'close to home' why not try the oil rich gulf states like Saudi Arabia / UAE / Oman?

If he was truly worried that his life was in danger (or whatever story he's peddling) surely moving to one of these neighbouring states with a common Arabic / Muslim society would be less stressful? But like a lot of 'genuine refugees' I'm sure he knew that the easy life was here in Ireland - deposit sob story collect free house / dole and if you don't get what you want - free legal aid! The state will pay for you to sue us for your 'entitlements' and if your asylum application is refused - hey no problem - more free legal aid!

lumphammer2

The current refugee situation worldwide is a mess .... and there is an underlying cause which I will come to .... true we cannot keep taking in people and I am the furthest possible from far right views .... Ireland and others like it have finite resources and accommodation ... it is just not practical .... it is also not good that much of the world is becoming akin to a Mad Max type wasteland ruled by feudal tyrants or total chaos ... this crisis is a type of pandemic ... and the virus is warmongering ....

The 2003 US invasion of Iraq is the start of this modern crisis arguably .... itself triggered by US hardliners' opportunism to wage war using 9/11 as an excuse ... war on terror = excuse to wage war on anyone outside the agenda of the warmonger: US against Taliban and Saddam copied by Russia against the Chechens copied by Israel against Hamas ... Before the modern crisis .... the cold war sowed the seeds .... proxy wars between the US and USSR/Russia .... Korea, Vietnam, Iran-Iraq, Central America, Africa ... lots of countries laid to ruin ....

Today 60% of SS Africa is a wasteland .... outside that Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Myanmar, North Korea, Venezuela, Ukraine, etc. are all a mess .... problems caused by either US or Russian interventions such as war and sanctions .... awful regimes have come to power and awful wars ... this stupidity keeps on happening .... and no one is learning .... we have got Al Qaeda ... then ISIS ... now we have the Ukraine war ... Russia's version of the 2003 Iraq war ... next it will be some civil war in Iran with both sides backing a different side .... then it will be somewhere else ... China and Taiwan may join in the mix with their unfinished business .....

The VERY far right politicians in the US (Trump and his QAnon/Tea Party supporters) are the very ones who are loudest about refugees coming to the US ... yet they are the loudest cheerleaders of the Iraq war and a war against the Hassan Rouhani version of Iran .... a better version of Iran than the thing there now caused by Trump .... these very wars caused by US far right are the very cause of these refugee crises ...

It is obvious .... if all these wars and hatred stopped and a charter of responsibility based on each country supporting human rights and non-interference into other countries was enforced worldwide without sides supporting nasty dictators then progress could be made. That could have been done in the past but not now ... Putin's Russia and America are in no mood to stop what they do .... evil wars will continue to displace people and the only way to stop all this is for the West to demand their governments to stop putting sanctions on and waging wars against other countries .... and for Russians to move against Putin's similar agenda .... until that happens, refugees, proxy wars and failed states all created by superpowers will remain ....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506344#Comment_120506344

Completely!

That ruling just opens the door even wider. Our first obligation is to house the refugee & not our own! Is it any wonder that racism in on the rise in this country.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506219#Comment_120506219

Except 11 percent (at last poll I saw) thought it was one of the biggest issues up from 1 percent at election time

https://www.newstalk.com/news/parties-must-be-more-careful-when-talking-about-immigration-polling-expert-1408179

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506330#Comment_120506330

Well thats bullshit. Threats to burn places down, shouting outside where people live, blocking food delivery. None of that is in any way peaceful.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506506#Comment_120506506

Only 11%? Shows up the anti refugee claims they represent 90% as complete drivel then doesnt it.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506728#Comment_120506728

Would you not think that a 10 percentage point uptick in a matter of months is statistically significant?

I work in the big data space. I can assure you that a 10 point swing is highly stat-sig..

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506728#Comment_120506728

What percentage in this poll would satisfy you?

To be honest it's idiotic posts and attitudes like your one there, which has led to the government continually kicking this down the road to a point where it can get to 11 percent