Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

CollyFlower

The way that policies are enforced by the governments are very heavy-handed, ROG said "the site in Coolock where protests have been held in recent days will be used to house International Protection applicants" he's determined to go ahead, he can't really back down now, it will set a precedent if he does. Unless the place is completely uninhabitable.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403107#Comment_122403107

That Polish woman who tore Von Der Leyen apart the other day is my new hero

Watched that because it was shared to me via WhatsApp. Of course it got shared forward straight after watching to dozens of contacts. Ewa Zajaczkowska-Hernik has some appeal, she'll do well. One to watch.

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402179#Comment_122402179

If you take culture or identity out of the equation there is still a massive issue with sustainability.

You can't just inflate the population of an area and then hope that it'll all be fine.

If we were all just seen as units then it still wouldn't make any sense to just drop 500 units in a place where there is no room for them. If my coffee mug holds 500ml then I don't try to pour 750ml or 600ml or even 510ml into it.

I can totally get that out there is some racist person who simply hates people of other races or any kind of outsider and we do not want to be seen as supporting that kind of person.

Common sense has to take over eventually though. It's simply not sustainable to bring in thousands of unemployed blokes, give them a tent, and then let them fend for themselves.

How could anyone not think that this is going to cause massive problems in the future?

What worries me is that people are SO committed and invested in this course of action now that it's going to be very, very, hard for them to admit that they were wrong on this. So we're going to have people who are invested in covering up and hiding cases where things go badly wrong because they don't want to admit it.

If we keep going like this it's going to be an absolute disaster.

InAtFullBack

Forgot to add, at that time [of the water protests] the state was increasing taxes left right and centre (USC, VAT went up, Carbon Taxes ramped up, etc…) while the bulk of unemployment-related social welfare payments were left untouched. This felt rather unfair to those in employment who saw their wages decrease in real terms. Hence the middle-class condemnation of 'thuggery'.

This time round, it is largely the same demographic protesting in places such as Coolock over migration. However, unlike the water tax, the migration issue doesn't just stop at one bill/invoice. It eats into the cost of local services, it inflates rental prices, property prices, increases demand on healthcare and education. It hurts the middle-classes even more than the working classes.

This is by far too under-stated. In the quiet one-on-one conversations the middle-class are rooting for the working classes here in forcing the hand of the state to back down on their migration policy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403140#Comment_122403140

Mr. teddywinkles

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InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403148#Comment_122403148

This is going on for five days and five nights now - I think the only outcome is summed up in your last sentence.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402952#Comment_122402952

The entire bunch are like contestants on The Apprentice, really bad ones at that. Poor decision after poor decision and complete contempt for the public they're supposed to serve.

On top of that, they have paid advisors....who are either useless at their jobs, or who the ministers just ignore.

They really are an out of control bunch. Not one government minister would I put in charge of opening and closing a gate never mind running a country.

Add to the mix, an utterly incompetent and delusional justice minister, and a head of AGS, an organization that voted overwhelmingly no confidence in him, and it's a perfect storm. How those two are still in a job is a great mystery.

"Policing by consent" was once the tagline. A better one, even if it is a bit of a mouthful, could be....."Policing by consent, unless you're protesting against anything relating to poor government decisions and their distain for communities, where, in that case, say hello to Sgt. Pepper Spray and Inspector Baton."

I wonder if they'll release a new video similar to the dancing during COVID.

This time they could use the riot squad for some perfectly choreographed beatings!

Repro212

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403074#Comment_122403074

Had SF seized the day and came out pushing for a referendum on this madness and implementation of the Danish model, they'd have gone up in everyone's estimation but cosying up to Islam seems more their thing.

Mr. teddywinkles

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Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403148#Comment_122403148

The pushback against anything that lad decides or implements or introduces the better. Mad as a bag of badger's. At least Ryan had only sowing lettece plants and took the odd work nap.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403191#Comment_122403191

I noticed very similar clothing material worn by one of the 'lads' tearing down the Irish Waterway's fencing as Mary-Lou McDonald had worn recently.

Kudos to SF, they're well in with the re-use/recycling thing.

dublin49

One thing posters on here need to bear in mind is not every situation evolves from malevolent intent.We all knew we had a direct provision centre somewhere up by the airport but it didnt really impact our lives so we left it to Government to sort as best they deemed necessary.

The Government unfortunately had as much interest in resolving this issue as the the rest of us so it was long fingered.

So post Covid when immigration really kicked off the powers that be were in a low energy mode when it came to immigration so anomalies escalated ,no deportations,folks from 2nd countries.safe countries etc.sure it will be alright on the night attitude.

Allied to this low energy/nothing works mentality was a an upsurge in the Woke agenda.

"Ireland welcomes all "and "the people of East Wall/Sandwich St etc don't represent us" cry went out ,and was generally unchallenged.

In work ,in sport ,in life ,when things go wrong ,I find most folk like to look for a culprit rather than a reason.

My view is ,the people of Newtown Mount Kennedy,Coolock,East Wall et al are good people with a few nut cases attached.

I genuinely believe that the Government are not involved in any Great replacement conspiracy and their bona fides were well meaning all along albeit they failed to spot when their good intentions were being taking advantage of.

but,

they now know we are being taking advantage of ,we cannot sustain the level of support being offered and we need to say sorry but our focus is now on the people of our country and we have done more than enough for Ukraine and elsewhere but for the social cohesion of this country we are closed for now.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403160#Comment_122403160

It's a big money maker so I've no doubt it will continue, regardless of the impact large numbers of male migrants (we all want to know where the women and children are) will, and already are having on towns and villages across the country.

There are good and bad in all walks of life but only a fool would believe that 100% of these men are saints, fleeing persecution and pose no threat now or in the future.

We have laws in this country that some people born and bred here don't adhere to. But let's take in tens of thousands of "asylum seekers" who couldn't give a flying f@#k about our laws, our culture, our attitudes towards women and girls and a host of other issues. That'll work.

I've seen the videos, I've heard the stories.

Even if a migrant is on his best behavior in their planted location, and never steps out of line, it's a natural instinct for a parent to be fearful for their child's safety when large groups of men they know nothing about and share nothing in common with, are forced on them, they're just told to deal with it. That alone is an awful thing to inflict on communities. And, unfortunately, but not surprisingly, bad things have already happened.

And God forbid, when we do start seeing crime rates rise as has happened in many EU countries and the increase in sexual assaults or worse, best believe, it won't be a migrant issue, it will be a man issue. Do better, men!

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403225#Comment_122403225

And God forbid, when we do start seeing crime rates rise as has happened in many EU countries and the increase in sexual assaults or worse, best believe, it won't be a migrant issue, it will be a man issue. Do better, men!

Spot on, I watched the recent ITV documentary from Cardiff/Nottingham regarding this. See: https://www.itv.com/news/2024-07-17/approached-by-20-men-in-two-hours-the-reality-of-being-a-woman-alone-at-night

One thing that struck me was when the documentary finally turned to presenting it's findings to the newly elected Labour Party representative her knee-jerk response to it was that "we need to educate men".

This despite the fact that 19 out of the 20 men were not of a White-British background. Even the lone-White British bloke was 'concerned' for her safety while being excessively drunk-pushy.

Sums alot up really. Video relating to the article here: https://x.com/itvnews/status/1813887551523951008

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403078#Comment_122403078

We don't know what the local community's wishes are. Fringe protest groups such as 'Coolock Says No' waving Irish tricolours - presumably what could best be described as "right wing Irish nationalists" - speak only for themselves. This idea that they are the entire community is a bit of a nonsense,

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403242#Comment_122403242

Biggest crowd all week turned up tonight. Five days in.

Bigly as DJT would say.

But keep on doubling down on reality.

Rubber always hits the road, eventually.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403242#Comment_122403242

If the government don't smell the coffee and keep going with this crazy campaign, its going to keep getting worse for them. They still have the option to back down from this with a bit of dignity.

Ireland is full and when Coolock says no, Its a pretty clear message to me. Couldn't be any clearer.

Coolcormack1979

ff and fg will walk back into government at next election.all the bitchin in the world on here ain’t going to change this madness of a policy.sad times ahead

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403242#Comment_122403242

Well if the protests are only from a small minority, surely the govt can place these men in other areas if its all fine and just ignore the small minority. That small minority in coolock will get bigger until government backs down.

How about they convert say, Herbert park Into a refugee camp akin to Gormanstown in 2022. Am sure the locals will be totally fine with it and won't object at all.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/defence-forces-to-set-up-tents-for-refugees-fleeing-ukraine-1.4836257

Govt have created a mess for themselves and they will go into self protection more now ahead of a pending GE.

Burkie1203

D4 = concern citizens

Working class area = far right

Thought the govt said nobody has a right to veto who lives in their neighbourhood

https://twitter.com/tazalotl1981/status/1814195163905839563?t=h9hDQJImM2qkWExObfKfGw&s=19

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403327#Comment_122403327

if tents started appearing in Herbert Park the Merrion residents association would turn into the local Volkssturm over night , there are 2 sets of rules unfortunately. The Gov know better than to provoke the good post codes

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403327#Comment_122403327

That appears to fears about fire not migrants. Fears of fire are valid with the neanderthals roaming about.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403400#Comment_122403400

Ah now ffs, you aren’t believing that are ye.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403037#Comment_122403037

I don't know. I thought there were some emotive posters here with all the solutions and strong rhetoric. I am all ears.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403291#Comment_122403291

People aren’t going to vote for the right wing loons.

If immigration is an issue, last elections would have shown so. They didn’t.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403400#Comment_122403400

lol, the next door Jeremy the barrister is not likely to hop the wall now is he? the pen is mightier than the sword and all that , pip pip

mistersifter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403130#Comment_122403130

And then if you don't want hundreds of single men from the Middle East and Africa dropped on your doorstep they'll say, "you don't get to veto who's in your community". This sums up their utter disregard for Irish people.

What they're doing here is framing the situation as if we're talking about one or two individuals whom you don't like buying a house beside you - maybe there's not much you can do about that.

But this is clearly not the same as government strategy of bringing in thousands of single males from around the world en masse and housing them in social homes, factories, student accommodation, and whatever other buildings they can find via an International Protection system that is not fit for purpose.

The government is purposely conflating these scenarios. It's dishonest and harmful.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403480#Comment_122403480

Ah are you one of the adorbs who thinks its actually locals "protesting". How cute.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403511#Comment_122403511

who knows, who cares, point is "the pen" will be taken more seriously in D4, you just have to see the difference between tents popping up around the city and somewhere like Sandymount. The boys in blue will have them gone in an hour if its Sandymount, we get a better service ;-)

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403115#Comment_122403115

Just for **** and giggles I'd love to see the reaction of a handful of regulars on this thread to half a dozen or so singles males from Afghanistan and Syria moving into a vacant house next door to them 🤣