Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574046#Comment_120574046

It wouldnt be possible to determine within 1 week of a persons arrival if their claim is bogus or has legitimacy. The processes cannot take 1 week.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575873#Comment_120575873

Here you go:

Albania, Georgia, USA = all bogus, straight away, within one minute, simple.

That's a start.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575886#Comment_120575886

It doesnt work that way.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575873#Comment_120575873

Why?

Reminds me of whats going on in Los Angleles in the United States. Tent citys popping up all over and becoming no go area’s.

how many more is needed before somethings done to stop this insanity,

1000?

5000?

10000?

This was predicted on this forum ages ago.

delusiondestroyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058281647/time-for-a-zero-refugee-policy-read-op-for-mod-warnings-and-threadbans-updated-13-04-23

No issue with genuine refugees but it definitely needs far more strict controls and definitely needs to be limited we can't take people in to the detriment of our own culture and people.

What I do have an issue with the sneaky opportunistic "refugees" this should be harshly punished.

Otherwise the country will be over ran with people that have little attachment to the country or culture and are only here for what they can get out of it. They will use or soft plyable nature and system to change things to favour themselves.

It's hard to argue against the fact that we have homeless Irish while foreigners are being put up before them that's simply not right now matter what way you look at it we should have a policy of looking after our own first and then we LL use we have left to help others.

creeper1

The quicker you provide the 500 camping out in front of the international protection office with accomodation, the quicker the next 500 will show up. It's no solution at all.

What is needed is a Japanese/Singaporean style of dealing with things. Illegal immigrants get the choice of jail or returning to where they came from.

From article "Singapore would be dealt with under the 1959 Immigration Act – which states that they would be subjected to penalties such as caning, imprisonment and deportation if found guilty. "

https://thekopi.co/2021/09/08/singapore-refugee-policy-explained/

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578355#Comment_120578355

I heard Leo on the radio yesterday saying how proud he was that Ireland took 100k refugees and asylum seekers last year.

I think a couple of months ago they were spooked a bit by the anti immigration protests and put extra cops at airports checking passports.

The anti immigration protests seem to be fizzling out after a media onslaught, the government sees voters have no one else to vote for and have decided it's business as usual. What'll the present immigration control parties get realistically in the next election - 3% tops?

Luxembourgo

Some figures on attitude to immigration

A certain slant, definitely, but opinions are opinions

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2023/05/10/ireland-says-no-to-immigration

creeper1

FF/FG/SF will do nothing to control borders. All you get is weakness. Even hearing varadkar using the word "firm" sounded weak. He followed up with a comment about how the EU should secure it's borders. Sorry. You were elected to deal with Ireland's problems now get on with it instead of passing the buck.

I have no faith in any of them. I think the Irish freedom party is probably the best option.

creeper1

Oh. And what about that jury's Inn hotel in Dublin 4? Isn't there a "severe shortage" of accommodation for international protection applicants? Let's utilise this hotel to house the young men. Surely this shouldn't be a problem?!

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581591#Comment_120581591

Dunno about any party being the solution but a protest vote would go a long way to give most of these parties the up yours to them. They might think more about their position on certain policies. Never seen such an out of touch ignorant lot.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574091#Comment_120574091

Do please enlighten dont keep us in suspense .

Cluedo Monopoly

Just to follow up on a point I made early about future mass migrations completely eclipsing what we are seeing now.

Number of internally displaced people hits record high (rte.ie)

Record number of internally displaced people due to war, climate change

The number of internally displaced people reached a record 71.1 million worldwide last year due to conflicts and climate change events, according to data published today.

The Geneva-based Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre (IDMC) said that figure represented a 20% increase since 2021, with an unprecedented number of people fleeing in search of safety and shelter.

The bulk of displaced people last year - 32.6 million - was due to disasters including floods, droughts and landslides.

Mullaghteelin

I recall my elderly geography teacher frequently commenting how Bangladesh was unsuitable for human habitation, due to the inevitably of catastrophic flooding and associated tropical diseases. This was before Climate Change was taken into account. However, there was no talk of the population of Bangladesh moving to Europe to escape.

Monsoonal Climates in general are doomed to either have too much or too little rain from year to year. It is a human conceit to assume the weather should behave as we expect or desire.

If the hurricane that struck the North East USA in 1938 occured today we would never hear the end of it. It would be held to up as an example of Climate Change for decades to come.

For thousands of years we adapted our ways to suit the climate. Nowadays we live the way we want to live and how dare the Climate not cooperate!

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582292#Comment_120582292

This and the population in poorer countries is exploding at a level that is unsustainable regardless of climate change. So obviously there are going to be more people fleeing places that can't support the relentless population growth.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582250#Comment_120582250

he only way to enable change is to vote for a different party that has a chance of getting into Govt.

The problem is that there are arguably no realistic options for an alternative vote.

The beauty of PRSTV though is you don't have to worry about the highlighted bit. You just give your first preference to whatever candidate you feel closest to ideologically, irrespective of how likely you think they are to get elected. And as you move down the ballot paper you can take realistic options into more consideration...

Juran

No 1. Free and easy access to birth control in these poorer countries is the only solution. No use throwing money at them, the men in charge just take it for themselves. No use in sending food, well fed women are too fertile.

No 2. Western world, UN, WHO, world bank, etc need to invest in education and training, for boys and girls in these countries. Divert resources into education (and birth control as I said above), then innovation, businesses, employment, better healthcare, recreation & sports, etc will naturally follow. This will make the people want to stay in their homeland.

Corrupt leaders, lack of womens rights and too high birth rate is a big root cause.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571930#Comment_120571930

Refugees and immigrants are extremely beneficial.

Ireland is a much better place now than it was in the 1950s where we were an insular theocratic backwater.

The vast majority of refugees find work and contribute to society once their application is processed. They bring food, music, culture, sporting ability and enrich our lives.

Refugees are not a burden but an opportunity - OECD

The_Kew_Tour

Enrich our lives?

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120583229#Comment_120583229

Can you provide a link the vast majority of refugees and leave to remain are working ? The 90k Ukrainian refugees and asylum seekers that have recently come will soon be working . I love your optimism .

Your link is outdated and does not mention Ireland but makes comparisons with other countries . The cost of welfare , accommodation, language and skill training is substantial in comparison to those that come legally and find employment .

creeper1

Akrasia, you are spouting unproven globalisation propaganda. Without any selective criteria you are going to get the good, the bad and the ugly. An entire spectrum of people are probably showing up. They are able to show up with no documentation and we have no idea whether they have been in prison or if have criminal records. It's absolute madness and nothing but a detriment.

https://youtu.be/eTuwcCxducY

batman_oh

Lol. Sweden sure got enriched recently until they stopped pretending everything was going great.

If we had surplus housing, a functioning healthcare system etc. then maybe we might have a chance of integrating huge amounts of refugees properly, but you are deluded if you think the current trajectory of just letting everybody in from everywhere with nowhere to put them is going to enrich anything.

No point trying to get somebody so fully onboard with this ideal to see reason though.

rgossip30

Look at this for BS !!

Minister for Justice Simon Harris will tell a Cabinet sub-committee today that the number of applications fell this year by 50% between January and April. There were 1,300 applications for international protection in January 2023, compared with 633 last month.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0504/1380615-refugee/

IPO figures . First Quarter 2023 , 2995 applicants . First Quarter 2022 , 2182 applicants . The April stats are not available yet .

http://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/ipo/pages/statistics

Potatoeman

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230510-germany-s-scholz-approves-tougher-measures-to-tackle-migration

German bring in striker controls.

Cause and effect.

“In the first four months of 2023, some 101,981 asylum applications were filed in Germany, an increase of 78 percent from the same period in 2022.”

“The anti-migrant party is currently polling at around 15 percent, compared with 10.3 percent in the last general election in 2021.”

Jeff2

I absolutely can't believe what Leo Varadkar is saying on the tonight show VM1 TV.

I'll see it it's posted on twitter and post later. Unbelievable stuff.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120583229#Comment_120583229

So the Irish improvements are down to immigration or hard work domestically by citizens across all spectra of life here ?

this unlimited policy is going to be to the detriment of Irish citizens long term. The sooner the deniers realise this the better,

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120583229#Comment_120583229

Why are you conflating immigrants with refugees here as if I mentioned immigrants at all.

Of course Ireland is better than it was in the 1950’s - who said otherwise? Are you suggesting refugees are responsible for this transformation or something?

Of course the cultural enrichment deriving from immigration is a positive. I’m pro immigration. However I am not pro bend over free for all benefits buffet courtesy of the Irish taxpayer for whoever can manage to get here one way or another.

Can you please provide a source for your claim that the vast majority of refugees get employed and become net contributors to Irish society.

Jeff2

We have court cases for to house people who came here with no passport and we have Leo on VM1 tonight show saying about the 78yo woman that will be homeless soon "I know the case and it is going to get worse".

VM1 still haven't uploaded the video bit I will if the don't by tomorrow evening.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0508/1382349-homeless/

Jeff2

The guy on the VM1 show from the The communications clinic that I believe is run by the women that tryed to distroy the women that broke the story about the dead baby's nuns tried to hide.

Not a chance I'd believe a word he says.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120583229#Comment_120583229

So what is Musa Dogan the guy in a video on Twitter who was swinging a steel bar at people and is wanted by the authorities in other countries doing to enrich our lives I wonder?

I also wonder how he was able to enter the country in the first place?

Could it be that unvetted men are coming here and nobody is checking to see who they are?

Surely not because the left are always saying to suggest this is fake news by the far right.

Yurt2

I see this Dogan fella got in "citizen journalist" Phillip Dwyer's face repeatedly calling him a scumbag. He's dead right, Dwyer is a scumbag. Gammon no-brain fired from An Post for abusing animals. Turns to racism because his life is a misery.

super_furry

People really starting to see the likes of Phillip Dwyer for the absolute gutter-scum that they are. Braindead perma-dole scumbags and scangers with nothing going on in their lives so they have to try to lash out and blame others for their wasted lives.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590479#Comment_120590479

100 percent.

"So I'm an Irish scumbag in me own country?"

Yes, Phillip, yes you are. Glad to see the penny had dropped.

super_furry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590512#Comment_120590512

And that's why people like you need to be locked up.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120563973#Comment_120563973

They see it perfectly well. It’s absolutely 100% crystal clear.

Young men with no skills no work history no education no qualifications and no English arriving from Albania and Georgia Botswana and Sth Africa every day claiming “asylum”.

Claiming to be unsafe in peaceful untroubled countries. There’s no explanation as to why they needed to get a connecting flight/flights involving sometimes 2 layovers in order to get here. They could have flown directly and cheaply and quickly into any neighbouring country and been safe but no, Dublin is apparently the only place they’ll be safe.

The white saviours here and in England will argue that they are coming here because they have family already here. But that’s rubbish because if their family here welcomed them then why are the lying in tents?!?

No, “libs” as you describe them have to defend their position fanatically even though it’s obviously a nonsense (all of it immigration, transgender, hate crime etc) as their whole agenda will fold like a deckchair if they don’t keep it all going. all If they concede that even one little bit of the progressive ideology is nonsense then the whole thing is a busted flush.

Concede that these men are not bona fide asylum seekers then you might have to concede that men cannot be allowed to compete in women’s sports competitions etc.

Kermit.de.frog

If a camp went up on Shrewsbury Road (or any other middle to upper class environs that preach the most upon everyone else) you'd see racism from those individuals like you've never seen before.

They won't be accepting camps in their own neighbourhoods. They won't be on the streets like the scumbags, they've quiter ways of protecting their areas.

creeper1

I was thinking that myself. We all know certain parts of Dublin aren't safe at night. Anyone coming from a safe destination would do well to stay there.

Hope word gets out.

WheelieKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120583229#Comment_120583229

Rubbish. Most are a burden on us and bring nothing positive to our society. We should be only hand picking the best and brightest not the free for all we are witnessing here the last few years.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590749#Comment_120590749

The local residents associations would(most quickly) engage a legal team purely and simply to ensure the appropriate enforcement of the planning laws, they condemn the governments treatment of these people and your accusation of racism is unfair......

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590948#Comment_120590948

That's not how the refugee / asylum system works and would render the entire refugee system inoperable.

In fact, it would be extremely difficult to even operate a regular immigration system visa system like this (who is to say that a hotel worker or nursing home employee is less valuable to Ireland than an IT worker?).

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590462#Comment_120590462

I wonder if virtual full employment is sparing us from a lot of bad stuff in this area. Perhaps there'sv a fair few like this about

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591111#Comment_120591111

But but but.. he's permitted to have a samurai sword or blade in his possession. Seemingly arrested also.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590732#Comment_120590732

Ah here, do you know anything? Poor people should Welcome Refugees™️ because it enriches their lives, leads to better restaurants, and will definitely not lead to less housing and longer waits for medical appointments.

we know this because 10,000 D4 NGO "volunteers" tell us so, constantly.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590960#Comment_120590960

“If you don’t withdraw your defamatory remarks immediately further steps will have to be taken. The Fitz-Henry Mews D6. Residents Association has always demonstrated total solidarity with the plight of asylum seekers. Please note that all of the profits from the 2022 Annual Christmas Fur Coat Charity Trade in were donated to The Red Cross… or the Red Crescent…whatever. Mrs Butler-Smyth and her husband Gerald (Colonel Retd.) alone had to travel home in their Bentley coatless such was their sacrifice alone.”🤣🤣🤣

Thelonious Monk

https://twitter.com/Weldoninhio/status/1657359177629532162

hilarious. this bloke used to spend all day long on boards.ie before he got banned giving out about welfare scroungers and the inner city scum getting free houses. now he's on their side because they're attacking migrants. all the while working as a civil servant getting paid for doing f**k all.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590986#Comment_120590986

sorry but if these are all locals who attacked that camp last night, they're getting housed in the city centre and getting more than the vast majority of us get from the government. they're just punching downwards because they're frustrated with their lives, it's as simple a that.

Strumms

It was a fuçking boneheaded move starting the fires.

what will it achieve ?

In a tweet in the aftermath reported by Simon Harris he apparently said that "everyone in this country has a right to be safe" and added that "the right to protest is never a right to endanger or intimidate".

So basically all it’s going to accomplish is the political turncoats, Harris et al setting about fast tracking assylum / protection seekers getting and being prioritised with own door accommodation.

streets too unsafe ( all be it not for Irish people interestingly enough )

people really have no idea how bolloxed this country is, well and truly up shît creek.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591226#Comment_120591226

You couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll let you in on a little secret. The gardai advised people they could take down the camp after the illegals and the bunch of antifa where moved on.. another little secret. From working on a Dcc contract. Majority in that area are employed people. But don't let the facts of illegals abusing locals going about their business and illegals brandishing blades and knifes get in the way of the truth.

See Stephen Bedford. Another wack job instigator who filmed himself on video driving over protesters in East Wall was arrested last night. Yeah the man has a Savage appetite from what i heard.

😂local punching downwards. Funny that.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591279#Comment_120591279

there were lots of locals there, including teenagers throwing things at people and shouting abuse