Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Dogsdodogsstuff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409986#Comment_122409986

Oh you wait, there will be the rise of an alternative soon enough, nature and politics abhor a vacuum. The irony will be that they will be most likely an extreme version , opposite to what we have, which will lead us to to a place like England under the disastrous knobs of the last 10 years or USA Trumpist Bullsh*t tearing that country apart.

It’s so demoralising , as you say, that there really isn’t a proper central leaning alternative in most countries by the looks of it. You get central , nothing changes , vanilla parties or the extreme ones who will offer/promise change , but in the most destructive and polarising manner.

Real shame there is no real meaningful public discussions by intelligent people who want to discuss how society should progress or change moving forward. All we get is career politicians saying or doing what they think will get votes , what will tow the EU line and generally what will benefit their party. No long term , greater good consideration for what would be best for society overall.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410147#Comment_122410147

Okay both Australia and Ireland have housing crisis.

I'm hearing that opportunities to develop your career and earn money are better in Australia.

I think that's enough for a lot of young people to choose Australia.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405018#Comment_122405018

Government could ease alot of concerns and problems by listening to the concerns of the people that elected them , and stop treating us like children that don't know what's best.

Arrogant fcukers. On a side note Mehole M swanning around southern Africa at our expense. This shower have got so full of their own self importance its unreal.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410311#Comment_122410311

If we had ample houses being built and thousands of dubious IPA's granted housing could you imagine the increase in numbers we'd now have? Half of Georgia would be on it's way, half of Nigeria, Albania etc. It's also been proven in Sweden, the UK etc that if too many people arrive from cultures too different to our own, many won't assimilate and big social issues Will arise. (Not saying Nigeria, Albania and Georgia won't assimilate because they're on the higher end).

I personally think giving people a social life can result in productivity issues going forward. I've seen reports from other countries where an Asylum comes lives the free social life and then their kids also have a very bad uptake in employment. I can't remember which country this was from. Probably the UK or Sweden but it seemed to be creating generational issues.

This isn't a racial issue and it's probably for the same reasons in the poorest parts of Ireland you have generations of families on the dole in social housing.

I think the only solution is a much smaller number of IPA's so you've the resources to really help them get going and outside that all immigration must be legal and they must have the skills needed to go straight into a job which is vacant.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410241#Comment_122410241

Should these rules you speak of also apply to the Irish abroad?

I mean, you talk about Irish migrants mainly contributing to the countries where they are based — which is largely true — but well educated / well trained Irish migrants also means Irish migrants getting well-paid jobs which then throws them directly into the mix in competition with native Australians, Americans, Londoners etc. While refugees put pressure on certain elements of the lower end of the property markets, educated / trained Irish migrants abroad are participating in the same level of the market as educated / train natives who may then find themselves locked out of the market.

Of course, this is only one facet of the complex ways in which migration yields both benefits and negatives but I have found on these discussions that people tend to be nuance-sensitive when the migrants in question are of the Irish variety.

Tenzor07

Except the thread here is about Refugees coming to Ireland claiming asylum.

If Irish people are emigrating it's because they've gotten all their documentation, qualifications, job applications/interviews, Visa applications and background checks all done before they arrive into another country and are in a position to sustain themselves with financial resources in case of an issue. Australia and places like Dubai actively seek Irish educated Teachers, medical staff and Police officers as they know it will be a seamless fit for jobs in these areas.

This is in complete contrast to what we have arriving here daily on our streets in Ireland.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411082#Comment_122411082

Yes they should - not really a complicated idea.

I think everyone would be happy with an actual immigration policy that worked.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410583#Comment_122410583

Great post.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411127#Comment_122411127

Well hold on a second here, the post I responded to referred to foreigners coming to Ireland and eventually purchasing property — which would invariably mean that they are likely to be working / capable of supporting themselves.

Irish migrants are able to come into a country on high salary and capable of renting relatively high quality property and, if it comes to it, capable of competing with native working / middle class people for purchasing properties which all contributes into property prices remaining inflated. This is one of the major downsides to the "only the best and brightest" policies of right leaning parties who will eventually vilify the best and brightest migrants when they start out-earning and out-bidding native people.

If the poster's suggestion of restricting the ability of migrants in Ireland to purchase property was reciprocated against Irish migrants working abroad, then any Irish migrant thinking of purchasing property abroad would need to come home — and then become yet another addition to the demand which then drives prices upwards in Ireland.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411304#Comment_122411304

Possibly a different thread there though really.

The vast number of IPA's coming into Ireland/Europe are from third world countries, are undocumented, trafficked in by people smugglers, a complete contrast to regular immigration which i am sure most people have no issue with.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411082#Comment_122411082

Yes, it should, and I'm not up to speed on the rules and regulations regarding Irish people and jobs and property purchasing rights in Australia or Canada or the US.....but something tells me it's a little tougher than here!

And if a nation can help real, genuine asylum seekers, enable skilled workers succeed in their own countries, and also allow skilled workers from outside that country to improve their lives while contributing to that country, how bad?

But to answer your question, no countries inhabitants should be negatively effected from outsiders. Maybe if we got our own **** together, our people wouldn't need to "take" jobs or houses in other countries. But we're not interested in that here. Let them go, we've replacements on the way!

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410930#Comment_122410930

Well said, help people where practical. Helping so many, plenty of whom are likely to be exploiting our systems, or lack of, while at the same time destroying your own country isn't the answer.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411328#Comment_122411328

Indeed — though I don't think it's refugees outbidding Irish couples on the 500k 3 bed in Leixlip.

RoyalCelt

What'll end up happening is Irish and European citizens will get so fed up we'll end up with a Union wide zero refugee/IPA policy like Denmark who themselves want to go a step further by paying people to leave.

And that's a shame because another Syrian type war will break out and these people won't allowed in. All because we accepted huge amounts of Georgians, Nigerians, Albania's, Algeria's just to name a few.

Terrier2023

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411873#Comment_122411873

not its the vulture funds for Blackrock & Vanguard the guardians and money men of the WEF & their dystopian plans

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411899#Comment_122411899

Don't forget George Soros and the Lizard People too

RoyalCelt

Lads what does Gript actually stand for or is it just a catchy name?

https://gript.ie/hello-mary-lou-goodbye-trust/

Good article here. You won't see this angled peddled by MSM.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411897#Comment_122411897

Another problem with mass immigration and the taking in of so many asylum seekers, perhaps overlooked, is that their conflicts come with them!

suvigirl

Accidental post. Deleted

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411363#Comment_122411363

But you seem to be advocating in favour of two positions that are entirely contradictory. If you want migrants who contribute etc then it seems odd to me to also treat them punitively when it comes to buying property when it's obvious that buying a property requires you to be earning a decent wage and to have the finances/documentation required by a bank in order to secure a mortgage. It would seem to me to be a very odd form of social contract to encourage the intake of highly skilled migrants who can contribute to the economy, but also subject them to punitive measures that make it harder for them to actually reap the benefits inherent of being a contributing member of society (i.e. buying their own property).

Finally, to say that no country's inhabitants should be negatively affected by 'outsiders' is unfortunately just not a realistic way of looking at the world. For example, you cannot on the one hand laud the benefits of skilled migrants (including lauding the contribution of Irish migrants abroad) while also seemingly pretending that we can also have a world where their presence is always kept within some parameter that they be permanently and invariably disadvantaged at every turn to ensure that at no point can they ever buy a property before a native person, avail of a service before a native person, have a school place for their child over native parents' children. To think otherwise is simply not realistic.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411915#Comment_122411915

From that article

"Sinn Fein still stands with the Government, not the community"

Perfectly summed up

Referendum all over again

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411995#Comment_122411995

Well then it's a good job I'm not in Government isn't it? Imagine the mess if that was the case......oh wait.

I'm for common sense and fairness and against the exploitation of our country by those in it and those entering it.

If we can reasonably help others while helping our own brilliant. The first shouldn't take precedence over the latter. It's really not that difficult.

moonage

It might be more appropriate to refer to all these migrant centres as barracks.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411995#Comment_122411995

What is realistic then? Is it realistic to believe that the numbers entering every week is sustainable? Is it realistic to plant these people into communities quite often against the wishes of those living there, and expect hugs all round.

Is it realistic to believe that every single "asylum seeker" with their eyes on Ireland is genuine, poses no risk, and has the best wishes of Ireland in mind?

Is it realistic to think that young Irish people won't be a bit disgruntled at the fact they're constantly outbid when trying to buy a house, by people who have the means to float in and do so.

Is it realistic to continue to import unskilled people into a country and think that'll strengthen it.

Perhaps it's more realistic to look at every **** hole across the EU to see where we're headed unless our government, and future governments take their heads out of their arses and lead the country, with the benefit of the country in mind! That'd work.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410520#Comment_122410520

There are many Irish people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, who are, to all intents and purposes, effectively homeless. They are living with their parents and unable to afford to rent with buying not an option. Official Ireland (FF/FG/GP/Lab/Media/QUANGOs…) doesn't care about them but they'll take their taxes and house/feed the world with their money. They'll get onto the President of the GAA to get him to gaslight them after a sports event. They'll fund the media, hundreds of QUANGOs with their money. If you don't think that's not going to raise anger/resentment among the locals born here then I respectfully disagree.

Other cultures coming here is a separate issue entirely and, it has to be said, is not a new phenomenon. Ireland has gone from a small percentage of its citizens born in a foreign country to more than a higher percentage than the UK (a country with a colonial barbaric past) and it has occurred in just a couple of decades. Many of these people have integrated well into society but the situation is now reaching different levels with locals living in entire towns/suburbs being outnumbered overnight.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412255#Comment_122412255

Noticed that myself yesterday, I'd love to know who fed him that...." thanks to all you nations that gave our people jobs"

AKA Irish Joe soap shut your mouth and welcome the world!

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412276#Comment_122412276

Exactly. . . Sport is a form of escapism from people's lives. We all enjoyed the match yesterday but the GAA couldn't help themselves and keep politics out of sport. It was also embarassing that this was broadcast internationally and we are seen to be thanking the world for housing us and giving us jobs. The Irish owe the world sweet FA. Our ancestors went and worked and built countries like the United States.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412307#Comment_122412307

It shouldn't surprise you considering the GAA have embraced Islam. In the past they were in bed with Catholicism. Two religion's I find are very disrespectful to humanity.

Quags

Im more than certain some posters in this forum have two accounts 😂

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411873#Comment_122411873

No, but vast amounts of rental properties are being paid for by HAP and DSP and DOI money to house thousands of asylum seekers.

It was well documented in 2022 that student accommodation was used to house Ukrainians forcing rents up in areas such as Tralee for rooms in houses or apartments.

When the rental market gets that squeezed it has a knock on impact on the house prices.

Take a look around dublin, gardiner street and mount joy square is basically in the hands of people from far far away. They don't work. So who is paying the rent to the landlords?