Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412500#Comment_122412500

Is it the case that Ukrainians are receiving €800 per person per month accommodation allowance (not applicable to citizens of Ireland) from the DoI in addition to €660 per person per month (in Dublin) from the DSP, thus providing a couple with €2920 per month to rent?

If so how can two Irish nurses, or a nurse and a garda looking to rent compete with that?

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411873#Comment_122411873

No, it's various councils doing that with our money to give them to said refugees.

giseva

People (our TDs and MEPs) need to wake up and realize that the world's problems aren't ours to fix, and definitely not before fixing our country first.

There's a big difference in housing a Syrian family fleeing actual war, and throwing a country wide open in an apparent free for all to anyone who says the magic words. As I've said before, it certainly doesn't help when save the world ROG advertises us in multiple languages as open for business.

Just as culpable and more so even are the hoteliers and land owners and everyone involved in facilitating the issue. And if it's taking in the cash for them, sure long may it continue.

Simon Harris has spoken about common sense on a couple of occasions regarding the numbers coming into the country.

I'm yet to see any.

Apart from the obvious security and safety concerns, there's the capacity issue. A lift built for 10 may take 20, but that doesn't mean it should!

There's no shortage of fields to put tents up in, or disused buildings, but is that really the solution?

Unlike other EU countries, we're much smaller, and we don't have the numerous large cities that they do, which adds to the charm of our country.

Those large countries can absorb the largely unskilled people that arrive there. We have Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway etc, and plenty of towns and villages already in need of investment in housing and services.

We have people who work and can't afford rent or a mortgage, and if they can, they're most likely paying unsustainable and extortionate amounts. There's the issue of trying to obtain a GP in the first place never mind actually getting an appointment.

And by the way, I've first hand experience of the above as do so many I know!

We have people who, if they can afford to have children, need to try to secure a school place years before the child is actually due to attend, and good luck with it, and even more luck to you if you're a parent of a special needs child.

There's a party in Ireland, and the normal Irish person isn't invited. We have parents paying ridiculous amounts for an education for their children but fees are waived for those having "fled" Ukraine and God knows who else, all laughing at us.

Simon Coveney had a vision of blowing up this country in terms of cities in the future, maybe that's still the vision of his party, but given the numerous disasters this country has seen in terms of planning and actually delivering houses, motorways, hospitals etc, I'd say we're a hundred years away from that.

Common sense to me would be fixing our own issues before creating more.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412214#Comment_122412214

Well I'm not claiming that its realistic to put asylum seekers anywhere and expect hugs all round, am I? Nor have I made any claims in respect of the other apparently rhetorical questions you pose there.

The fact is though that there does come across in your posts a desire to have a migration system that is very much a perpetual case of having our cake and eating it. You don't want unskilled migrants, you want skilled ones, but you don't want skilled ones to be buying houses and competing with Irish housebuyers, but you apparently have no problem with Irish emigrants competing for property abroad, and you also seem to want a migration system as long as it presents no disadvantage to any Irish person at any point.

In other words — it seems to me that you want an entirely perfect migration system which involves having only skilled migrants who apparently would be precluded from competing with Irish people for houses and services and at the same time Irish people will still be free to migrate themselves if they so desire and be part of the cause for things which you seem to take issue with migrants in Ireland causing. I'd suggest there might be room for you to consider whether your threshold for what is and is not State competence may be unduly informed by unrealistic expectations.

giseva

Oh well that's that then. You might pop along to some of the protests and inform the crowds that the Government isn't completely incompetent, it's just that some people have unrealistic expectations and desires for Ireland.

Asylum seekers, economic or otherwise, and skilled workers coming in or out of the country are different things.

Asylum seekers aside, and forgetting about the people who may just want to leave and live abroad, but take all the non-national healthcare workers that come here and fill a void left by Irish nurses and doctors for example.

They wouldn't be required if the Irish could actually afford to live in Ireland. 10 Irish nurses don't want to share accommodation just to cover the extortionate rent, but 10 nurses from the Philippines are more than happy to. You see the problem? Well maybe you don't.

Nothing against said healthcare workers but they're not doing it for the good of their health, excuse the pun. They're being paid for it. And having personally seen such a group protesting about their visas and the fact their families are still in their countries of origin, guess what's next? More pandering and rule changes to bring their families over, and over time, further dilute Ireland.

In a tiny country, who's population is increasing from the outside in, it is estimated that 1 in 5 are non Irish born. At what percentage does that bother you, if any? 30? 50?

The rapidly changing demographic of this country in a time where MSM are telling us the tricolour is now a symbol of the far right, is worrying to say the least. We may as well tear up that proclamation while we're at it. That didn't last long.

But sure look this is all very one sided, and maybe I'm talking through my arse, what's your view?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412834#Comment_122412834

irish doctors can afford to live here though, they leave to gain experience in different hospitals and live abroad and nearly all come back - https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41073995.html - this article goes into that. nurses are a different story, but doctors are paid handsomely in ireland and can afford to live here. the new slaintecare package starts at 220k for consultants, i don't think anywhere else in europe pays that much.

we will always need foreign doctors to come here regardless, it's very hard to staff many of our hospitals, many irish doctors will only want to work in the main dublin hospitals, it's hard to get good doctors out to sligo and tullamore.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411082#Comment_122411082

Surely each country decides on its policies. So if Australia wants a particular set of skills for its country and many Irish people fit that requirement then who are we in Ireland to say whether that is right or wrong?

You seem to have the idea that if Australia or Canada accepts a number Irish people to contribute to their countries, we are obliged to take a similar number of international workers regardless of whether we have a need or capacity for them.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412533#Comment_122412533

Yes. That's it in a nutshell.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412533#Comment_122412533

Also consider this

Ukrainians have been going home for medical treatment, they went home en masses for xmas 2022 and 2023 all at our expense. Hundreds of million euro.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412626#Comment_122412626

I would argue that a 186% increase in asylum compared with 2019 - a percentage increase considerably different from the 34% EU average - with the majority of asylum seekers (between 50% to 70%) arriving as a result of secondary movement from the EU, warrants discussion of State incompetence, yes!

Viscount Aggro

Is there immigration checks at our sea ports?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413112#Comment_122413112

It is a large amount but it is not unusual at all.

The majority of rental tenants in ireland receive govt supports. About 55%.

Thats why we need more homes and especially more govt owned social and cost rental homes.

Burkie1203

Not a good look for Mary Loo

https://twitter.com/paddymacc1/status/1814882906784911413?t=UesQLhBGwwCqAR_oB0gZjw&s=19

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413197#Comment_122413197

Supports for thousands of people who seem to be able to bugger off back to the ukraine whenever they feel like it while working Irish people are paying through the nose for a roof over their head is not a good look at all

It also makes it impossible to therefore save for a deposit to buy.

Spanish Eyes

This is all going according to the Government's plan alright.

Ignore working class areas and small rural communities and shovel in the IPAS. The first have been let down by SF so that party's vote will continue to slide. OK then their vote will go elsewhere but importantly to a fragmented grouping of some sort but not to the previous nemesis and main opposition anymore. Small rural communities only have a few votes in them. Not worth worrying about at all.

Then the more salubrious areas which are traditional FG/FF but FG mainly are protected from IPAS centres, therefore their votes are secure.

Sounds like the Grand Plan to me.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413227#Comment_122413227

Yeah the non FF FG vote will be spread across SF, SD, national party, PB4P, Labour and independents.

Mary Loo really needed to decide if she ever wants to be Taoiseach. If so,she needs to rethink her Party's strategy

ziggyman17

We came home yesterday from Sweden to Dublin airport on a SAS flight, the pilot informed everybody on the plane that we would have to show our passports at the doorway of getting into the building, 2 immigration guys checking everybodies passports before we were allowed into the building, they pulled 2 muslim woman out of the queue and had them standing to the side…. never had that done before…

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413306#Comment_122413306

This happens at airports all over Europe, good to see it happening here too.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411915#Comment_122411915

I believe it's Russian for propaganda.

Burkie1203

Interesting read

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https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1815466689603215368?t=yADBwTWValfRV46trD_Evg&s=19

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412872#Comment_122412872

The more people come in the more doctors you will need.

Isn't it a part of the problem anyway?

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413197#Comment_122413197

What is unusual is that you seems to advocate for more taxes to be paid so government can build houses for everyone who just happen to come here. They don't even need to spend a day in any employment to contribute to said tax increase.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413204#Comment_122413204

She'll just say those she spoke with don't wish to be named. Everyone should just believe her for God's sake, it's not in a politician to lie 😂

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413523#Comment_122413523

People believe many strange things. Putin is not behind everything.

Gript means to grip something to hold it firmly. Simple google search would also show you that Russian for propaganda is пропаганда.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413680#Comment_122413680

That's what Vlad wants you to believe! 😅

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413609#Comment_122413609

Can you provide a summary of points you find interesting from this link dump tweet to a 177 page report and give your own thoughts?

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413717#Comment_122413717

There is a lot of *ism and *phobias and funny labels thrown around when people feel someone does have different opinion. I reacted to that poster because I understand russian and wanted to point out that while we may believe something it may turn out not to be the case. Gript is a word and while not generally used nowadays it does have equivalent in Russian - хватка.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413757#Comment_122413757

Understands Russian....but not humour.

I don't doubt that, not from me my friend, the only *ism I'm interested in is realism!

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413680#Comment_122413680

Thanks, I was being facetious.

While there have been questions raised around Gript, and it associated Catholic extremist organisations, fundings I've no knowledge it receives funding from Russia.

That said the Eurosceptic, anti-immigration rhetoric fits well with Moscow's agenda.

So many people believing fake twitter accounts. That's the real problem.

"150 Syrian male refugees in Dundalk" posted by an AI account and idiots retweet and even reshare it here. The stupidity of our species is astounding.

This Direct Provision centre strategy is beyond stupid. This will destroy communities. Equally anyone setting these centres on fire is nothing but a lowlife scumbag.

I was glad to see customs officers checking documents on the jetbridge off my flight from Lisbon last night. And passport control asking the hard questions. About time ye did yer f**king jobs!! Too many years of slacking. (Like most public service admin)