Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415646#Comment_122415646

As it is being treated as an “emergency”.

Any “audit” would have to cover school places, crèches, GPs, hospitals, traffic, transport, social services etc.

Has anyone seen the various reasons why housing applications get either refused or overturned in court here?

Will the “audit” require a bat survey as well to ensure we aren’t disturbing them?!

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415665#Comment_122415665

Oh that is a complete fabrication, they do not. But you know this.

https://www.jobted.ie/salary/doctor#:~:text=A%20Doctor%20in%20Ireland%20earns,%E2%82%AC200%2C000%20gross%20per%20year.

I'd say 30k is in the vicinity of fck all if you've to rent in a large city where you are working your intern year.

I'm sure SOME small number of junior doctors during Covid may well have worked 100 plus hours a week and banked that (and been heavily taxed) but it is a tiny exception that in no way proves the rule.

Incidentally, the rate of "70k to 80k" would be the pay for a doctor with around 10 years' experience - far from "junior" level.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415838#Comment_122415838

If its so bad for doctors why do most of them come back to work in Ireland?

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415766#Comment_122415766

My late father worked in a hospital in the UK in the 1960s - they had the nurses accommodation block, and a separate block for other staff - porters, doctors, lab staff etc - so they could work later/longer and not have to worry about travel.

Great idea - but Donnelly should be aware that the second they break ground on this, it will either be "repurposed" for the newly arrived or only for overseas doctors and lads/lasses from Galway etc working in Beaumont will still have to commute insane hours.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415215#Comment_122415215

Agreed, a lot of politicians and people fail to realise that the current system is what is feeding the growth of the far right

In Demark the left wing social democrats adopted firm but fair policies when it came to Asylum seeking. They are one of the only countries in the EU that have escaped this crisis as a result and moreover are one of the few EU countries that is also not seeing even a slight increase in right wing politics

Coincidence? I think not

creeper1

If it's true that passports are now being checked on the tarmac of Dublin airport there is at least some progress being made.

The nonsense of appearing at immigration without a passport hopefully will be put an end to.

That leaves the whole more challenging area of controlling entry from the north. However I believe all those coming across from France via dinghy are required some kind of registration and fingerprints taken. Hopefully we can access to these records and encourage the UK to take them back. Of course we'd take back any from the UK that originally landed say at Rosslare but it would be a much smaller number.

creeper1

What a headache.

Can't have them in big centres like in Coolock.

Can't have them in hotels and B&Bs hurting tourism.

Can't have them along the canal or in mount street.

Can't have them in social housing jumping the queue of those waiting for years.

I can see why Leo done a runner.

.Donegal.

I’m not sure how any so called Irish patriot can call themselves a patriot when they associate with that tramp above. Earlier this year he was outside the trial of a British soldier who murdered an Irish civilian supporting the British soldier. He thinks all British soldiers who murdered unarmed civilians in cold blood on this island are victimised and should get off Scott free. Do they not care?

You’re such a patriot that you idolise a man who thinks British soldiers can murder civilians on this island and get away with it? These anti immigration protests have been taken over by dumb tramps that associate with British loyalists who think they can murder you and face zero consequences. Make it make sense

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416066#Comment_122416066

English nationalism is always going to rub Irish people up the wrong way , very quickly they will praise the empire and how good it was ……. i dont need to finish the sentence

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416062#Comment_122416062

A vacant industrial site in Dublin city like the one in Coolock is literally the perfect place for a refugee centre.

It's not in a housing area since it's industrially zoned, it's well connected close to the city centre and on a major road, it doesn't distort the identity of the area given it's a few hundred people in a very densely populated place and it isn't denying locals of services by its presence since the site was vacant already. It ticks every box.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416026#Comment_122416026

I agree on the document checking if that is the case. Ridiculous that it wasn't previously done given the fact you don't get to board a flight without one.

But as another user pointed out, is it not just optics? A person claiming asylum that has no documentation will be sitting beside a person claiming asylum that had a passport on them which was checked as they got off a flight.

They'll both wait for their claims to be assessed, and for somewhere to put them in is found, whenever and wherever that is.

I genuinely believe that the country needs to immediately stop taking in asylum seekers and anyone masquerading as one, until they get a handle on what's here already.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415272#Comment_122415272

The exact opposite happened at the local & euro elections though.

What we're seeing is a small minority becoming hardline and radical over the immigration issue and the mainstream media and political parties are using them as a bogeyman to bolster support for the centre.

So far it's working.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416110#Comment_122416110

How can you stop people claiming asylum though? You still have to keep them somewhere until they're deported and it can take years to deport someone

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415646#Comment_122415646

Same narrative that was given to people in Newtown after the fact. An engagement meeting telling people to deal with it and no concerns taken on board.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416203#Comment_122416203

And don't they just know it. I would call the current situation an emergency, some would disagree, but that's my position. And in an emergency, tough decisions need to be made, and if that's "sorry pal, we're trying to sort our **** out here before we help the planet, you're getting on the next plane back to where you came from"

Or something along those lines. And if it's not an emergency now, it soon will be.

Maybe ROG should put out another broadcast telling everyone to stay put, that he made a mistake after a heavy night out, and that the own door accomodation promised was the gin talking!

Doc07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415263#Comment_122415263

I agree there might not be whole lot of engagement going on in the engagement’

I’m not so sure about these centres transforming the community (assuming you meant in a negative way)

It’s approx 20years ago when Mosney changed from a holiday camp to AS direct provision with approx 900 AS in a sparsely populated area of east Meath and you’d barely notice the place unless you worked there in the actual AS center or loved directly beside it. There has hardly been a blip about the place in 20 years and plenty locals hired for security and catering etc

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416271#Comment_122416271

How can you send anyone anywhere with no documents?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416346#Comment_122416346

They got here somehow. My approach would be in terms of people coming off a flight. What's a better solution? Just keep taking in the world's problems?

What's the number the country should or can accommodate? Because everything is about numbers. Is Ireland capable of taking an infinite number of people who say "asylum"?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416203#Comment_122416203

The first step is to reduce draws to Ireland, which if we turn our minds back, that's what direct provision was intended to do and was quite successful. DP really started to fail once the Supreme Court granted the right to work after six months. The first step therefore would be to restore that prohibition. I suspect that would be an easy referendum win for the government.

The second step is to dramatically reduce case processing times. There has been no convincing explanation on why cases take so long. Even before the system was overwhelmed it was taking 18months for the first determination. People should be able to present their case in a matter of d weeks on arrival and have a determination. Appeals should only be on the grounds of process and should need to be able to demonstrate a case before it is accepted.

Finally deportations are something of a red herring but they are needed. If you are undocumented though, it is extremely difficult to live here. Once unsuccessful, most will head back to the UK.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416096#Comment_122416096

You're so right it's an amazing place for the migrant refugees, with the local area already being so multi-cultural, with access to nearby Mosques, plenty of daily activities to suit 500 men during the day in a half vacant industrial estate. Super!

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416346#Comment_122416346

How? Well according to the law you can indeed send someone with no documents to Prison as it's an offence to arrive into the country without them..

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416440#Comment_122416440

I'd also like to see detention centres being set up. Need to make it unattractive for scammers to come here. If their asylum is rejected they either cooperate with the deportation process or must stay in a detention centre. No roaming the country freely.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416096#Comment_122416096

What about access to local GP services. One of the more moderate protesters in Coolock said that you have to wait a month for access to a local GP. Perhaps the Department have a specialised GP mobile service for the IPAs, it wouldn't surprise me. Plenty of professionals and NGOs are getting a great deal from this lucrative industry from what I can see.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416514#Comment_122416514

A friend of my partners is a GP in sligo and works pro bono a couple of times a week with IPAS people, not everyone does it for the money

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416499#Comment_122416499

Actually that Coolock factory would be a good place to house asylum seekers while their claim is being assessed. No leaving the centre until their claim is being finally assessed, no endless appeals.
We’re fulfilling our “international obligations “, local NGOS can’t complain as we are supplying accommodation. If turned down then will have to leave the centre, no more Government support, ideally deported.

Would be interesting to see how many arrive once word gets out that coming to Ireland means life in a factory or similar centre.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416532#Comment_122416532

That doesn't invalidate my point.

The Department may have engaged some health professionals and rely on support from volunteers like your friend. But that doesn't help the local people in Coolock who don't necessarily have powerful contacts or local representatives that will stand up for them that the Ballsbridge concerned residents did. Where is the concern for their access to services?

Ivana Bacik and Hazel Chu were quick of the mark to move the asylum seekers on in Ballsbridge, and barriers were arranged within days, which have cost the tax payer €125,000 to date.

The only TD that has spoken relatively proactively about the Coolock issue is Mary Lou McDonald but I remain very sceptical on whether her policy ideas about increasing engagement and introducing audits of local services will even happen and what use they will be.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416744#Comment_122416744

there are lots of migrants currently camping on the shelbourne road in d4, you'll be pleased to hear, i walked past a camp of about 20 tents yesterday. so more than coolock is currently hosting.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416445#Comment_122416445

There's literally a Leisureplex and a cinema across the road with multiple parks and a football club nearby.

If that's not a perfect site then describe what and where you think is better.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416499#Comment_122416499

Yeah it sounds harsh but the nature of the crisis has brought us to this point

”Oh you suddenly have lost your passport and have amnesia as to where you’re from and where you’ve come from, and would like to seek asylum?”

”Grand, you will be residing in this detention centre until a decision has been reached on your case - if at any point you would like to reconsider your claim you may avail of deportation at your convenience”

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-immigration-coolock-6444119-Jul2024/

SF continuing to bottle it

Sitting the fence on both sides such that nobody will be happy with them

The logical conclusion of her point is that asylum seekers in the country a wet week will be getting to live in nicer areas than tax payers and can avail of all public services at the cost of said tax payer.

Seems fair.