Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418477#Comment_122418477

Could we fly them to Albania / Georgia / etc., and simply walk them down the stairs off the aircraft, and leave them there?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418490#Comment_122418490

Change the rules. If they won't don't let said airline operate.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418446#Comment_122418446

Well I have been to Brazil so I've seen first hand what it's like. Take a walk around mountjoy square, talbot street, gardiner street etc. Or down around the canal recently. It's starting to develop similar vibes.

NGOs are a massive problem. They openly encourage this open borders policy as do many other industries as a huge influx of people means huge demand on housing, which means rents remain exorbitant (the biggest losers here tend to be hard working irish folk who dont get HAP support), we had one nursing home in Galway IIRC shut its doors and convert itself into an IPA host because it was more profitable.

If someone has an Asylum application denied then your sent home. If you refuse to leave then you cannot appeal the decision. We need proper deterrents to the mass influx but at the moment both govt and the NGO brigade are openly encouraging this.

We don't need to check every flight. A pattern would emerge very quickly which routes are largely responsible and can be targeted. Identify where people came from and trace their route backwards. But our solution is to give people tents and promises of own door accommodation within months when we have neither the housing supply, the system to process them nor the will to actually deport. Then we will grant asylum and probably citizenship.

A very small select band of people are making money off the back of this and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out they are all of a life long FF and FG persuasion with family or business links similar to how Boris Johnston had his mates all get huge PPE contracts in UK in 2020

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418135#Comment_122418135

Right....so f#$k the small bit of tourism that the place might benefit from as they're not on a par with locations widely known for tourism.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418135#Comment_122418135

From this sneering post it’s pretty obvious you hate Ireland. Drogheda is in driving distance to places like Newgrange, Hill of Tara and it’s also close to Dublin, so yes it would have been a popular choice for tourists. And not just tourists but weddings, christenings, communions also took place in the D Hotel. All of these things contribute to the local economy. “It's not Venice or Machu Picchu” seems to be your argument and that’s such a weak argument.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418838#Comment_122418838

You sell it so well that you should get a job with the local tourist board -"Come to Drogheda, from here you can drive to other places to spend your money".

Christenings/communions/weddings generally don't appear in tourist guides because they are almost exclusively private events.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418952#Comment_122418952

Private events which bring money, weddings for example can have a high number of guests staying at the hotel. It's not tourism as in thousands of yanks and Japanese but its still tourism.

Xmas work parties etc

But they all want onto the gravy train and to hell with the consequences

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418975#Comment_122418975

Accommodation needs to be paid for as does food for private events……but using that metric, the town would be better off with hotels full of asylum seekers rather than half full of tourists checking out the local communion scene. The former needs to eat and sleep as well.

What is the booking of a hotel for asylum seekers if not a massive, prolonged, private event?

Argue "We just don't want those people here" if you want. But if you argue "my concern is really for the local tourist economy" well you are leaving yourself open to easy dismantling.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418989#Comment_122418989

"Asylum seekers" are a massive burden on the tax payer.

Eventually they won't be living in hotels so rents get driven up, the tax payer who works ends up paying huge rent, while their taxes goes towards HAP for those who don't work and whose very existence in the state drives rent up.

Asylum seekers in kerry for example, if you follow twitter, you will know they dont spend money in the towns they reside. They don't need to. The only real winners are the hotel owners. And plenty of businesses who rely on the discretionary spend of tourists are now struggling to survive.

Drogheda may not be a tourist hot spot but hotels in these towns are needed for more then just housing scammers.

Lotus Flower

hotels being used for AS comes at a cost, the cost of the taxpayer. So no it’s not better than hotels being used for tourism etc

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419032#Comment_122419032

Of course they are a massive burden on the taxpayer. But attacking them and burning facilities isn't bringing down that cost.

The only way the cost will be brought down is by processing them and kicking out the ineligible ones more quickly. All that violent protestors and grifters do is take resources that could potentially be put towards speeding up that process.

I would prefer to see large reception centres and an army of people processing the applications. If gobsh1tes keep attacking locations, then all that will happen is that individual apartments will be purchased spread around the country and they will all be given one. And their processing will inevitably take longer.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419035#Comment_122419035

You are entitled to advocate and agitate for individual own-door accommodation for the AS if you like. I won't support you on that.

If you don't like them being put into converted warehouses, and you don't like them being put into hotels, then you are eventually manipulating it so that that is the only option. Some people are being sneaky about their motivations, but logic shows their actual intentions.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418989#Comment_122418989

I dont understand the criticism, paying quests do all kings of things , if a hotel is out of circulation there is an opportunity cost to other local businesses, I cant tell if this is a tongue in cheek post or not

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419062#Comment_122419062

But govt policy is to stall, delay, keep the NGOs happy (as who knows when the govt minister may need a cushy number when he/she loses their seat), refuse to consult with the irish people and line the pockets of hotel owners and others who benefit from what is actually happening.

Then declare an amnesty for 17000 illegal immigrants. Then rents get driven up because demand far outstrips supply and tell me, just how many TDs are landlords ......

Rinse and repeat. There is no controls in place and the govt have no plans to put any in because well ......money money money.

Or better still, what links have hotel owners with contracts with DOI are mates/business partners with govt ministers??

All our leading political parties, FF, FG, SF, Greens, SD and Labour all sing off the same hymn sheet here. So people feel they have no other option other then protest violently and light fires because they simply aren't being respected or listened to.

Even after crown paints was torched what, 5 times last week, Roderic still insists on pushing 500 illegal immigrant men there. And in a few years time it will be a lot more then 500 there.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419063#Comment_122419063

Well we could put them on a flight back to wherever they come from but that doesn't line the pockets of hotel owners or other suppliers to the big scam

Tourmaline24

I find posts like yours really cruel. The argument seems to be "[x place] has its troubles, so it's okay to bring in thousands of mostly men from dysfunctional cultures with nothing to do all day, and allocate huge resources to them while enriching a small number of connected people." We aren't allowed anecdotes here, but I have many to illustrate how it harms local people's wellbeing and safety as well as their livelihoods. I don't know why people like you have such contempt for a place like Drogheda which has many decent people trying against the odds to make it a better place. The loss of the D hotel was a massive blow to the town's economy from which it may never recover; it has impacted not just tourism in the area but the town's ability to host events, whether family, corporate or arts. A lot of public funding has been invested in developing and promoting Ireland's Ancient East, and it's been a huge slap in the face for people who have worked on that.

I feel a sense of hopelessness when I read posts from people with such a self-hating attitude to their own community and culture while endlessly prioritising people from everywhere else and presenting them as vulnerable and worthy of help even when presented with facts that point otherwise. I know what used to be the Left in Ireland is unrecognisable, Sinn Fein have abandoned any pretence of nationalism and NGOs have become their own powerful vested interests, sucking up public funds while dominating the airwaves. The values I grew up with like civic pride in your neighbourhood and country, have become something to be scoffed at and reframed as backward and unenlightened. Wanting to preserve the best of what you grew up with, the social cohesion and shared values is seen as "far right"

I have never felt such a disconnect between this government and ordinary people and their interests. Most people I know fear speaking up because the kind of people who dominate this discussion will actively try to ruin your life, snitch on you to your employer, publicly shame you. I've seen it. They are the new clergy. And yes, as a precious poster said, they seem to hate the Irish.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419035#Comment_122419035

It depends. This comes back to the question of how many we should accommodate. In the scenario of an “emergency” though, what it seems of limited value to build capacity for the kind of numbers we have been getting.

What the ultimate cost to the State will be ultimately will take years to figure out and will have a degree of subjectivity involved. Of course the best argument against hotels comes down to the planning one- and that so many ancillary businesses are impacted by non tourist use.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419091#Comment_122419091

And what effect would burning the factory have on those 500? Would they evaporate into space? Will they think "Oh, no, my life's dream of being accommodated in a paint factory has been taken from me and now that they are going to put me into my own apartment instead, I think I'll just go back to Dirkastan instead"

The only thing that will stem the flow of chancers is if they are processed quickly and deported quickly. The logistics of doing that will not be helped by scattering them in tiny groups all over the place.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418989#Comment_122418989

Is this a serious post or a wind up to get a reaction?

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419110#Comment_122419110

Our capability is measured by money, not by actual physical resources such as housing etc.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419107#Comment_122419107

Well maybe the people who process them just didn't think of that. You should write a letter to the minister outlining your plan. When he has it implemented - shouldn't take him more than a week, he can then communicate the steps to all the other countries that also didn't realise the exceedingly simple solution to the problem.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419117#Comment_122419117

But the govt don't want to process them quickly. Do you not get that?

They want to shoehorn these people into irish society for financial gain of themselves and their friends. And the people who pay the most for this will be Irish people. In our own country.

The violence and fires are a direct consequence of the govt working against their own people.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419131#Comment_122419131

Well I guess it is all out own fault for electing such people into power. Members of the illuminati or New World Order or whatever they are.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418952#Comment_122418952

Sure why was the hotel there in the first place?

The point is there's places that have very little in them as is, and a large hotel being taken away from normal use benefits the hotel owner and everyone else who has a stake in this new economy, but does f@#k all for the locals.

It also breeds further resentment and prejudice and gives a voice to loons on both the far right and left.

I would also like to see purpose built accomodation, for the purpose of detention. Yes it may cost, but surely it's a better use of tax payers money than the current game of pass the parcel going on. It may also serve as a deterrent to scammers thinking of coming to Ireland.

The dog on the street knows the majority aren't genuine, and even if every single asylum seeker coming to Ireland was, so what? Help, where practical. Helping the planet isn't sustainable.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419139#Comment_122419139

FF FG Green, Labour, SD, Sinn Fein

Minimum Two of these will be in govt after next election.

Who do we vote for, to change things up.

We are the turkeys and the only option on our voting slip is xmas

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418838#Comment_122418838

It's how 'progressive' liberals carry on, mock their own mock traditions mock Christianity etc etc with no awareness of how fake and boring they sound

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419146#Comment_122419146

The paint factory, when renovated, would have been, for all intents and purposes, purpose built accommodation. You are kidding yourself if the gurriers attacking the door of a small building in Drogheda would also not be attacking a construction site up the road where a holding centre with accommodation for 500 people was being built.

If people want to complain and protest, they can do so. If they want to dress it up as faux concern for the local tourist industry in Drogheda then they leave themselves fairly open. If they want to pretend they are concerned for local hoteliers who can't host private events, then they should realise that maybe they shouldn't complain about the same hoteliers getting money for hosting AS instead. Which is it - are you concerned for his livelihood, or do you begrudge him a livelihood?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419170#Comment_122419170

We need more patriots. I've seen the footage of those brave men in their tracksuits and balaclavas really teach those doors a lesson with swift kicks. Celtic or Liverpool jersey optional, but the Irish flag is not. All Gaeilgeoirs versed in Irish history and mythology.

I often think, when I see such brave patriots, how lucky we would be if they joined our defence forces or Gardai, or even became nurses or teachers to pass on knowledge to the next generation. But we cannot be selfish - those people have a much greater duty to global society. We cannot ask them to pause their cancer research or work on ground breaking technological advancements. To do so might be Ireland's short term gain, but would be a long term loss for everyone.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419170#Comment_122419170

Can you give us your definition of “our own “ please?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419174#Comment_122419174

Do I have a problem with a hotelier making money? No, I don't. I have a problem with how that money is made.

Protest? Are you for real?

Regarding the site in Coolock, I'd imagine there'd have been issue taken by some in the community if it was a full on, secure detention centre being placed there absolutely, but perhaps far less than the issue taken with the current state of affairs.

A secure detention centre wasn't the proposal. There was none. It was and still is, this IPA centre is happening, deal with it.