Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424111#Comment_122424111

Looks like a resounding NO to me.....who exactly was Mary Lou speaking with?

Ozvaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424036#Comment_122424036

As long as it follows state propaganda dont think there is any independent trust worthy media in Ireland ?

Huge increases of immigrants now in city centres throughout Ireland

SonicSuper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423597#Comment_122423597

It's easy to shut down conversation and debate in Ireland by shouting racist or far right. Most people in the middle of the road who have genuine concerns over our immigration policy are terrified of raising the issue for fear of above.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424145#Comment_122424145

Yes but they have to think through their actions and realise when their actions are counterproductive to what they think they are angry about.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424145#Comment_122424145

The groups that are for immigration love putting labels on people, the more labels the better, and its all designed to surpress opinion and debate. Trying to shame people into submission, well people are starting to wake up to that tactic, there is a middle ground and they need to and will be heard.

Senator Ronan Mullins made a good speech in Seanad yesterday (I think) and everything he said was on the money.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424133#Comment_122424133

You seem to have a certain view regarding the makeup of these protests up and down the country.

It's not a stretch to suggest you view all in attendance as scum.

Funny though because I recall a proposal of yours involved protesting.

Perhaps we should have a protocol in place to assess your ability, moral compass and social class to participate in a protest. Obviously you'll have to provide your passport or some form of identification before you're cleared to join the protest.

That all are scum wouldn't be my view, though I'd certainly concede that elements of scum will infiltrate the protests.

If it is the case that all, or even half of those objecting to this madness, are scum, well then even more should be done to focus on improving the circumstances that allow such a large number of people, up and down the country, to end up as scum.

We should redirect all this wasted money and resources to do just that. And only when we no longer have these large communities of scum, should we welcome those in need of asylum, it's the right thing to do.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423779#Comment_122423779

Drones with bombs? Seriously? Genuine question. Is that how the thugs are causing the fires?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424145#Comment_122424145

For sure, but a problem with this is that every single racist and member of the far right in Ireland also has 'genuine concerns over immigration'. It's a tricky one and is not easy to navigate.

People who voted to leave the EU in the UK Brexit referendum had the same dilemma post-2016 - by doing so, it automatically put them in the same camp as the actual racists, bigots and xenophobes. Very few of the latter would have voted to remain.

prunudo

Deleted, before the courts, site rules and all that.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424216#Comment_122424216

It's patent nonsense,kids messing with Aldi middle aisle drones,and all of a sudden the state is facing armed insurrection,viola,time for new garda powers and curtailment of peaceful protest.

Btw,did u see the "incendiary devices" they displayed,could have been made by a 9 year old,absolute scutter from the media.

The allegations in the high court from the site owners allege that drones drop the Petrol bombs on the site so they can be later collected by the arsonists for use,absolute nonsense allegation.the reason behind such rubbish is that the owners want a 100m exclusion zone around the site so they can proceed with making obscene profits,quite rightly the judge refused their request.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424283#Comment_122424283

I see.

I learned how to make and throw Molotov cocktails back in the 1980s. We saw them all doing it on the TV in Northern Ireland so felt we needed to grow that skillset just in case. Might be useful yet.

I throw eggs too.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423624#Comment_122423624

Most things are stated without evidence. For example, I might say to someone look left and right before crossing the road. They don't typically demand evidence to prove that it is a good idea so shutting down a conversation before it begins for lack of evidence is a bit silly.

The 200k is a completely different topic and I think has been discussed ad infinitum. Included in that 200k are the likes of rehab caring for people with disabilities etc. They're not all there to lobby the government.

Returning to previous, your dismissal is annoying. It could reasonably be argued that increasing university places, pay, etc would encourage more to become doctors/ nurses/ etc and therefore the health system would support itself with the reduced population the speaker describes. Whether that is what people want is another story.

What evidence do you require? Do you think no nations can produce sufficient healthcare staff from their populations? As I say, very annoying.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424344#Comment_122424344

Different era,I now drink my cocktais and fry my eggs.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424350#Comment_122424350

The man stated that the reasons there are delays with hospitals in due to the influx of immigrant. No doubt he would also state that the immigrants are all "military aged men aged 18-29" ….. the category of people who are least likely to need health care. But he might just as well have blamed his horoscopes for any delays. Or he might alternatively have blamed the migrants for the bad weather we had this year.

You know that the famed Brexit bus promise of 350m a week to the NHS seems to have instead resulted in staff shortages in UK healthcare? It never explained the number of foreigners who went to work in the UK for relatively low-paying jobs in healthcare. Nursing homes etc.

He did also explicitly state that there are 200k people employed by NGOs here to lobby the government. There will be eejits that lap that up as literal truth. You can watch the video.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424481#Comment_122424481

Just on the healthcare angle, its not true that just because they are younger they won't need healthcare. The fact is we don't know anything about these men and what their previous health issues are. Besides, if the ngo's are to be believed, at minimum they could require care due to the ptsd from their traumatic journerys and witnessing the horrors of war.

So to say they don't and won't put stresses on our healthcare and other systems is disingenuous.

Ten of Swords

@Burkie1203 threadbanned

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423961#Comment_122423961

Have to agree on this. There has been a significant Orwellian attempts here recently to persuade people that violence does not affect change.

I can easily prove such assertions wrong. In my early twenties, a fellow I didn't know attacked me unprovoked as I walked into town and spent a while stamping on my head. I got stitches and have a scar on the back of my head.

Violence does cause change, for better or worse. Without the intervention of a fellow student issuing violent threats, I could have died. The Maoris unlike the aboriginal people were seen as violent and formidable foes and that helped them avoid annihilation unlike the poor souls of southern Australia.

I would say it's complicated but the suggestion that violence never changes anything is bonkers.

We're now in a position where the government refused to engage with the protestors who were peacefully demonstrating and instead a violent group has emerged to take control. Some might say that speaking with Steenson might have been better than causing a war.

Separately, I have to wonder if the Gardai are fit for purpose anymore. The local Gardai should not be cowering behind cars imho.

Quags

Well done Ireland, the EU is proud of you 🤑

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423868#Comment_122423868

Em . This already happens mate

Sweet.Science

It is when the tax exile wants an exclusion zone

It isn't when the migrants go in

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424726#Comment_122424726

Have you been denied planning permission because someone threatened the Council with violence?

Have you any examples of this?

There were cases where people tried to get money to remove objections. That's not what was outlined. So I think you maybe didn't read the post?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424481#Comment_122424481

Not going to engage with paragraph 2 and 3 as off topic.

Very simply put, more people means more hospitals required. Genuine refugees especially may require specialist treatment.

Whether we decide to abandon such people is another matter but if you cannot understand that more people means more healthcare requirements I'd suggest reading some elementary maths.

You may dislike or even hate Steenson but your logic doesn't stack up and flinging brexit and Ngo mud does not mean your point of view is correct.

Look at any basic healthcare planning. More people requires more coverage. Are you telling the academics, administrators, doctors and nurses are all wrong and you are correct?

Here's some literature :

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hpm.2673

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hpm.2673

Moreover, strong projected population growth and ageing is expected to increase demand for hospital care substantially by 2030.

In your world, more people does not mean more demand. It's completely counter intuitive and I see no evidence to support such a notion. I cannot imagine anyone else in the world trying to push such an argument. It seems like madness but maybe I am wrong like those who pilloried Galileo.

Please, give me your coherent argument without going off topic that proves that increasing a population would not require an adjustment to the healthcare service.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424626#Comment_122424626

Looking at the shape some of AGS are in I wouldn't think they're fit for purpose either.

I'm sure there are plenty in the protests only hoping for a bit of violence, likewise I'm sure there's plenty in the POU high fiving each other in the station if they get to crack a few heads.

Yep, like it or not violence gets things done, it forces people to leave their countries so it must have some effect.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424741#Comment_122424741

They aren't off topic. Claiming "foreigners are the reason for the delays in the health service" is likely a fallacy. It was proven to be so in Brexit because the grifters failed to admit that it was actually the foreigners keeping the show on the road!

The "logic" they use would contend that if we rounded up every single foreign nurse, doctor, healthcare assistant and deported them tomorrow, the health system here would be better off because there would be less people in the country trying to use it …………

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what it is

Stephen_Maturin

Crown Paints site, Coolock, was denied planning permission in 2019 for a mixed development which included, hotel, creche, offices, commercial units and 198 apartments

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/302155

On the basis that is was zoned Z6 for employment and enterprise.

Came across this online, v interesting

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424716#Comment_122424716

On the plus side Winter is coming and life in tents isnt great craic then ;-)

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424716#Comment_122424716

Wild, if unsurprising

Where did you see the graph?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424755#Comment_122424755

So what level of violence would you be recommending or advocating for in order to effect a solution? And against whom?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424818#Comment_122424818

Ah, you're back. Not advocating or recommending it at all. Just stating that it's foolish to discount the effectiveness of violence no matter who's on the receiving end of it.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424804#Comment_122424804

Here you go

https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1816449272033820695