Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592441#Comment_120592441

Well, I hear ya but any GP / surgery can refuse to take more patients. Mine has or had although I wonder is that still the case.

Our government can’t force their hand. Any doctor now can say ‘full up’.

so even though your GP may be an excellent in person medical practitioner, Id be respectfully asking in writing why he and the practice is accepting new patients to the extent that you are waiting over an hour after your scheduled appointment time…. I’d be enquiring because it’s 1 hour and 15 minutes now…. In two years ? You might need a day off work. The numbers arriving are likely to increase post war…. Soldiers coming to be with families subsequently expanding families, the pressure is already on from African states that we accept more of their citizens…So…. As I said previously…it’s going to come incredibly more difficult over the coming years for any Irish born citizen to attain with efficiency and reliability the required services like healthcare that we have been accustomed to, that we understood were a given, a right… that for anyone born in their / our country simply should be.

Yurt2

To be perfectly plain, in wealthier areas such as Ballsbridge, Ranelagh or Dalkley, every square meter of land is in-use for something and there is close to zero dereliction or vacancy to be found there with all buildings put to use. I'd defy you to find a building not in use in the above areas, bar the old Jury's hotel which is to be the new US Embassy.

In less salubrious areas you find things like abandoned offices such as the building that became the flashpoint in East Wall for the last round of smooth brain intimidation from "concerned locals" from far and wide.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592600#Comment_120592600

Would you not agree that the majority of the locals present are in social housing? Much of the housing in that part of D2 is social housing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Galwayguy35

A guy takes a steel bar and swings it at people and the libs here are tying themselves up in knots trying to justify what a stand up guy he is.

A deportation order needs to be signed for him ASAP.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592707#Comment_120592707

But there’s plenty of very nice well maintained green areas/parks in these districts. that could be commandeered for one and two man tents, portaloos portable showers bins BBQs etc.

It’s summertime now so there’ll be no frost and the asylum seekers will be miles away from the city center skangers who mean them harm.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592461#Comment_120592461

These scum have been committing crime since they could walk. It's not like it has happened overnight. They can be turfed out in a day though, its not difficult. Just take the house they don't own or pay for back off them. It won't be long before one committee another crime either, should be locked up for a long time rather than allowed rack up more convictions than they've had job interviews.

It wasnt me

This thread is comical. Bunch of libtards think it's ok for a so called refugee that has been half way around Europe and threatens locals is going to get away with it. Here's a news flash. Welcome to the real world. If you want to try mess with people,live with the consequences.

You could see the crowd behind the gardai, like zombies foaming at the mouth. Bunch of unwashed backward scruffs.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592765#Comment_120592765

I recall there used to be a couple of what appeared to be African men living in Herbert Park a few years ago actually. There used to be a Sunday morning market (haven't been in a while) and they'd be hanging around and their tents were in the corner of the park. For whatever reason, the indigenous of the area didn't take to burning them out if it. Go figure.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592816#Comment_120592816

No I'm just saying they're looked after very well compared to most people if they're getting social housing in an area most of us couldn't afford to live in. So I don't really understand their anger, seems like they've got a sweet deal to me.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592888#Comment_120592888

How about we phrase it this way? The character of people intimidating and committing acts of violence like last night is the character of unreptent scumbags. Does that meet your delicate sensibilities?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592852#Comment_120592852

Send them out my way, I couldn't care less if they're on the nearby green.

However they're probably staying outside those offices in the hope they'll be dealt with quicker.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592904#Comment_120592904

I know crazy right. And the only person arrested was Stephen Bedford. Go figure. Must be all those locals again.

Thelonious Monk

This forum for years detested the inner city dubs who got "free houses never worked and wore pyjamas all day" and other such rhetoric. It's gas how these people are now their working class heroes. Some of the same posters too.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592937#Comment_120592937

Nobody's punching down on anyone. The people last night are objectively nasty idiots and scumbags. If it's a coincidence that the scrots are "working class" or not I don't know. Whatever class they are, they bring shame to it and need to have a chat with themselves. It's that or they escalate and the cops and justice system start dealing with things in a more firm manner.

The immediate "remedy" is for these characters to push the grey matter coming out of their nose back in, go home, and cease causing public order events and committing acts of violence and intimidation.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592967#Comment_120592967

I agree, that's why the illegal swinging a bar was arrested and also in possession of a samurai sword. But hey let's do mental gymnastics and blame everybody else.

Think it's called cognitive dissonance.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592988#Comment_120592988

I thought the "only person arrested was Stephen Bedford". Whoever Stephen Bedford is.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593002#Comment_120593002

Go do your research. If you want to keep sprouting nonsense,the above individual was the only person arrested last night. Facts are facts.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593021#Comment_120593021

Good to see you admitting you give zero sh*ts about neither inner city communities or asylum seekers. It's a start I suppose.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592990#Comment_120592990

Well I do live in coolock and one of the thugs there last night was kevin coyle from coolock so I doubt they'd have a great time around here either even though there's one or two libtards like myself in the area

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593026#Comment_120593026

Cops could have stood to arrest far more people last night. Gloves will come off soon enough.

Who knew nonsense could be sprouted? Is it above or below spouting on the sliding scale?

baldbear

Letting in economic migrants and allowing them to go into the asylum system is madness from the government.

Is there no one with some common sense in the dáil?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593097#Comment_120593097

Where are the welcoming communities? I thought posh people would lawyer up and get rid of them

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593058#Comment_120593058

Arrested for what? Standing in the street exchanging a choice of words with a bunch of goons who helped build a camp on private property. Imagine that,you should record yourself.

If it looks like a duck,swims like a duck it's generally a duck.

Stephen Bedford was the only scumbag arrested last night. No other scumbags. Fixed your post for you.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592888#Comment_120592888

Plenty of people like you speak like that about migrants.

Plenty of solutions, lock up the montcler brigade and turf them out of their free houses until they get a job and stop spending all their time robbing and assaulting people.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593130#Comment_120593130

Oh yeah, real pillars of the community last night. Look at the state of these scrots. With apologies for a PBP Twitter link (no affiliation), but if having watched this and you have failed to conclude these are scumbags issuing threats, you need to have a word with yourself.

These f*ckwits are a public order threat with violence bubbling under the surface. That the cops failed to be present when the burning of the camp took place is a failure of policing.

https://twitter.com/pbpdublin/status/1657450697229578242

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593204#Comment_120593204

You've been making your point that posh people won't like them in their neighbourhood for ages now. We get it.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593204#Comment_120593204

You're falling yo grasp the far reaching and wider benefits of removing the inner city scum from that area though. Crime rates would plummet in city centre - tourists would feel safer, honest hard working people would feel safer going into town ams spending money etc. Business would return to the area, office blocks as well. It would be a rejuvenation.

Letting the inner city scum dictate how things should operate in that area is ridiculous. But that's the problem, soft people like you who think the poor moncler brigade need an arm around the shoulder and a hug and how it's society fault they are scumbags.

Yurt2

I'd bet a score if some Garda vetting forms were handed out last night we'd find some interesting priors among the rabble.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593234#Comment_120593234

@SaltedSheker there's are your mates in the video. What a honourable bunch they seem to be. Are you in it actually? If not, you must have been gutted you couldn't attend.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593234#Comment_120593234

You see the difference between you and me is. I don't give a shiny s*** about either faction. Again your peddling misinformation. I deal with facts. The GARDAI allowed the dismantling of the camp after the illegals and unwashed where escorted up to trinity college,so read this to yourself out loud,NOBODY was present on site when the illegals camp on private property was dismantled and set on fire,and again an individual who i might add, was arrested and a samurai sword and blades removed from said sight.

Failure of policing is right. This individual and his like should be deported.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593332#Comment_120593332

I posted a video of scumbags issuing threats, and as predicted, you failed to identify them as scumbags issuing threats - which they objectively are.

There's no misinformation, your brain failed to process what you watched. You're on a backpeddle now cribbing "you don't give a sh*t about either faction" when you were so excercised only moments ago only planting the label of scumbag somewhere away from these toerags.

Go on, try to give it the slip again and not admit the scrots in that video aren't scumbags issuing threats.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593361#Comment_120593361

The point rather being, Turkey has a habit of labelling anyone and everyone who is a political dissident a terrorist. He's a politically active Kurd, if you had the faintest idea about Turkey, you'd know he's a prime candidate for politcal asylum. The Turkish government calling someone a terrorist means the sum root of f*ckall.

I have limited insight into his status in Sweden, Ireland or elsewhere. But I do know that Sweden is applying for NATO, and there is a genuine fear that politcally active Kurds there (there is a large community in Sweden) will be shopped and extradited to Turkey in exchange for Ankara assenting to Swedish membership.

It wasnt me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593356#Comment_120593356

"Stephen Bedford was the only scumbag arrested last night. No other scumbags. Fixed your post for you."

Something wrong with you?? Back peddling??? I see scum on both sides I also see scum trying to harbour an individual who was arrested for having a sword in position. Its quite easy to understand,those are the facts just you seem to be slow on the uptake of what's pointed out to you.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593380#Comment_120593380

Where's the slander? You've spent the last few hours defending the actions of the anti-immigrant protestrs. You clearly agree with what they are doing. So I was curious if you were there yourself or if you are just supporting them from the comfort of behind your keyboard.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592765#Comment_120592765

Don't recall this working out too well for our traveller friends in the past.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593427#Comment_120593427

You made the statement that criticising them was "punching down on the working class.". Those poor working class people in the video being punched down on, your heart obviously bleeds for them. Surprised you weren't there to provide moral support to those working class heros you are so concerned about.

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592146#Comment_120592146

I agree people tend to use the terms refugee and asylum seeker interchangeably, without understanding the difference. Let me help you there. An asylum Seeker is someone seeking asylum (clue is in the title), or Refugee status to give it another name. Once someone has been granted status then they are a refugee and no longer an asylum seeker. If their claim is rejected (and they are not given an alternative permission to remain) then they are also no longer an asylum seeker. They could then be accurately described as illegal in the State and would be subject to a Deportation Order. To qualify for refugee status you must be fleeing persecution on account of your race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a social group (e.g LGBT in the current parlance.) If you don’t reach the threshold for Refugee status you may qualify for Subsidiary Protection, for which you must be in danger of of facing serious harm if returned to your home country. Serious harm is defined as death penalty, torture or inhuman and degrading punishment, or indiscriminate violence to a situation of international or internal armed conflict. Natural disasters or economic circumstances are not a basis for being granted. If you don’t qualify for either protection stream you are then assessed to see if there is any other humanitarian reason why you should be allowed remain (most commonly this would be family links - e.g you have a child here) Fail this leg and you get a Deportation Order. This is known as the single procedure and was introduced in the 2015 International Protection Act in an attempt to streamline the procedure.

Thelonious Monk

It's actually a pretty civil discussion here given the hot topic! Let's hope it all gets sorted soon.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592851#Comment_120592851

There you go! It’s a great idea! Sure of course there will probably be a couple of 100 or more men there by the end of the month but the green areas in these parts of Dublin are pretty extensive and very well maintained (funnily enough) so it will just be a question of bringing more portaloos and portable showers and bins .

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593816#Comment_120593816

The real great idea in this, is arresting the sh*t out of people issuing threats from behind masks and burning people out of their last resort shelter.

Give them a real taste of unvetted males of military age in the Joy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590986#Comment_120590986

110% agree with this. They have created this situation by their policy making.

I live down the road in D4, unfortunately we have a situation now where some of the local feral creatures are jumping on the bandwagon to cause trouble. I feel absolutely awful for the people that are forced to camp there. Scary times.

Honestly as citizens we should be uniting against the Government in their failure to deliver on many fronts

- housing

- health

- infrastructure

- immigration policy

And many more.

It's simmering and I don't like where this is going. Someone will lose a life. If Leo cannot see that the policy decisions and incompetence of Govt Departments have led us to this point he is **** blind.

I pay may taxes into the high tax bracket, I used to be aligned with FG but they have been nothing short of a disaster for this country.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592126#Comment_120592126

I actually use it every day and agree they should pitch in that space. The feral from the flats with their free gaffs and their hands constantly out to the state will still chase them out.

This is a huge problem in our society. People that don't contribute and get a lot for nothing. Plenty of them involved in the protests.

Cluedo Monopoly

The anti immigration protesters are behaving like utter simpletons and morons. I am all for protesting but they are doing their cause no favours.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593848#Comment_120593848

Theres literally 1000s and 1000s more to take their place. All you’re doing if you arrest these people is create working class heroes out of them.

If we concentrate on getting the arrivees to a place of safety and get their asylum claims processed quickly without further drama it would serve us better.

This situation is going to deteriorate very badly if someone doesn’t take charge of the situation. I wonder if the army could play a role here?

Too many native Irish non contributers around aswell. A soft touch.

Too much social housing full of entitled scum around the city centre. That problem needs to be solved. Canada Goose clad scrotes causing hassle with no intention of ever making meaningful contributions as they pass their work ethic to furture generations.

They may be good for dealing drugs, that's about it.

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593401#Comment_120593401

We are an expert on Turkish politics too now are we ? He seemed like lovely fellow swinging his iron bar around. Why’s he in Ireland too ? Must love the stew.

also no mention in the Irish press again of the fact he’s a convicted terrorist - no mention at all. I thought it was the presses duty to inform the public ?

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593974#Comment_120593974

We are an expert on Turkish politics too now are we

Know a bit as it happens. And he's not a convicted terrorist. Fact check yourself.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593967#Comment_120593967

Theres literally 1000s and 1000s more to take their place

No there's not. The muppets behaving this way are a minority in their own communities, never mind Ireland. You see the same unibrow foaming at the mouth clowns at the protests in various parts of the city as they've popped up stirring sh*t. "Concerned locals" with multiple addresses apparently.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593759#Comment_120593759

Sorted soon hmmm , well I sincerely hope you are right but I have a feeling it won’t be the case…. I genuinely believe aspects of this problem here is playing out for the majority of this decade…might have longer implications.

Quite simply when this war finishes and all the military personnel over there will want to escape here to be with their families…. They won’t want to be hanging around for to do it all again in 4 or 5 years… our government will have no option but to extend the same assistance to them.

I don’t back the governments here to enforce any temporary aspect of this assistance….you’ll all recognise that ‘temporary’ is a word not being used by politicians and hasn’t been for a time… just ‘protection’.. NOT accidental.

I use the word assistance as it’s light years more then ‘protection’… same as ‘temporary’ was never that either….

its been quite the PR hoodwink job from the outset by Leo and co. A carefully managed PR job, hoodwink and some ..

might have had some chance if Leo hadn’t been Taoiseach, might have had some chance if it had instead been an honest broker dealing fairly from the top of the deck, but Leo ? He’s really put this country and it’s citizens behind the 8 ball, in big trouble actually…

Thousands of Ukrainian military personnel coming here will have all sorts of baggage…. Physical, psychological…. This is a long term shîtshow for Ireland and it’s citizens…

When you have a dearth in effective leadership with backbone, a dearth of honest brokers like we have in Leo especially…..

1000% there will just be an amnesty and Irish passports handed out like confetti..

Europe will be the playground of the Ukrainian citizen…it will be ‘home’…

In time, if Russia attacks again with the Ukraine EU members , the EU will be at war. Think on that for a while people.

our neutrality won’t be worth a fûck either way with a threat….

The door is now open to Africa and everywhere, they see how easy, how lucrative it is…. A zero policy is probably necessary.

JP Liz V1

I do not condone what happened on Sandwith Street but I think our government needs to wake up as this problem will continue and get worse until they implement strict proper border control measures and limit the amount we can take in as accommodation is short everywhere for everyone, Ireland is in crisis