Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453304#Comment_122453304

It's total delinquency.

The sheet volume of examples of fallacious policies is outstanding.

Increase the population of a tiny island by importing unprecedented amounts of people within the blink of an eye, thereby predictably putting infrastructure into a tailspin.

An economic model that can seemingly only exist with neverendingly increasing numbers of migrants, not to mention that said economy is doing nothing of intended purpose such as improving infrastructure.

Taxpayer money being funnelled, essentially, into private hands due to lack of infrastructure to obscene degree's.

Evidently no promised improvement to infrastructure due to mass migration, measurably worse outcomes across the board whether it be the efficiency of healthcare provision or the constantly falling behind housing provision.

Importing more and more people into minimum wage jobs, thereby suppressing wages, thereby turning local people off that employment, thereby "validating" the importation of even more people. A tailspin of failure.

Allowing the already shockingly sparse council housing be open to anyone from everywhere during the worst housing crisis ever.

Barrelling more migrants into areas outright hostile to their placement, regardless of everything else circling the drain and the existing, growing anger.

70% to 90% of the country regularly polling as against current immigration in one form or another, with zero political acknowledgement.

Irish towns becoming ethnic minorities in the twinkling of an eye, such as currently in dundrum, Tipperary.

Its history in the making!

Whatever kind of explosion this results in, the last 10 or so years are without doubt going in the history books as the most delinquent, socially destabilising periods in Irelands existence. Flabbergasting delinquency driven by nothing other than greed.

The result of cute hoorism allowed go global.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453434#Comment_122453434

I've said it already, but I'll say it again quickly.

The mini event ongoing in tipperary is exemplary.

They have peacefully protested daily since the month of May. They have engaged with Ipas. They have had their businesses protest through withholding Council rates. They have tried to obtain legal injunction.

Nothing. All that effort has resulted in nothing because according to the government, those 300 odd migrants are going in your town of 170 no matter what.

Now, with that reality in play, all avenues exhausted, where do people turn next?

It is entirely fair to say that it is incitement to violence. For anyone who thinks otherwise, just answer the question "where do people turn next?"

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453461#Comment_122453461

Firstly I don't speak for protesters as I am not one, but there is a lot of public anger about the way this is being heaped on communities. Maybe the Government will get away with this because you can only push the protest so far as you say.

That's what they hope anyway.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453432#Comment_122453432

His constituency is going to 5 seats so he can probably get back on 10% of the vote

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452375#Comment_122452375

bang on.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452983#Comment_122452983

Keep emailing them. Get others to do the same. It does help.

And don't vote for the ones that talk crap or don't reply.

And don't vote for opportunistic head-the-balls either.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453132#Comment_122453132

I am forever emailing TDs about national stuff. From 3 email addresses. It does help. You have to write them well - with less of the emotive drama & helplessness that I read on this thread.

Roderic will not be the minister for immigration. 100% guaranteed. Even the greens are not that stupid.

ultraviolence

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453507#Comment_122453507

Correct dublin west is going to 5 seats but in the local elections, the green vote dropped.

Across the 3 Local Electoral Areas in Dublin West, Greens received 1.2k first preference votes (roderic received 3.7k fpv votes in 2019, thats how dramatic the green vote dropped in the locals!)

Castleknock LEA - 1015 , Ongar LEA - 203 , Blanch-Mul LEA - 95 (first pref votes across the 3 electoral areas in the 2024 locals- not enough green voters for roderic to win back his seat)

So if the local election results are anything to go by, i dont think roderic will be winning back his seat considering the green party only got 1.2k votes in the locals.

He also relied on sinn fein transfers in ge2020 which wont be happening this time especially if sinn fein run a 2nd candidate. I also think his name being attached to all of this migration stuff will not help him as its just been negative in the media these past 2 years.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453494#Comment_122453494

It's simply inevitable.

If this continues at pace, let there be no doubt that this time next year it will be worse still. No guesses needed.

If it continues past next year it will be worse the next year. And so on.

We're seeing people being left with zero alternative already.

In the utter absence of any plan whatsoever, the absence of limits, the absence of political representation, the absence of any solution or appeasement or even bare acknowledgement, what else can happen?

There'll be towns of 200 people being forced to accept 1000 migrants? Why not 5000? Why not give over the phoenix park as a tent encampment?

And if the phoenix park were an encampment, what next for those countless arrivals?

Who in their right mind would have predicted 10 years ago that the country would be so over brimming with extra people that they'd be trying to force 300 migrants into towns of less than 200 irish people? Nobody.

Like that boiling frog analogy, it's necessary to take a step back and look how dire things have become. Then get back to me about the implausibility of a phoenix park encampment.

Again, it is the situation itself that is incitement to violence. I'll gladly listen to anyone's different interpretation of what people are expected to do otherwise.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453539#Comment_122453539

But we can just email the TDs…

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453555#Comment_122453555

There is year upon year upon year of proof that politicians are going to do nothing.

They are so willingly dumb, deaf and blind they are today still trying to ram migrants into small villages to the extent of outnumbering irish people 2:1 practically overnight.

It isn't a question of whether politicians have checked out, it's a question of whether they were ever checked in.

You'd be as well off emailing an anteater asking them to stop eating ants. They have unequivocally given us the answer for 10 years straight; their mandate is to themselves and that mandate is to get as many people packed in no matter the consequence. Believe them!

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453555#Comment_122453555

Aragh sit on your hands so and tell us all how helpless and hopeless it all is...there is always arson…🙂

And vote for a loony mouthpiece....

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453582#Comment_122453582

And there is year upon year of proof that the voting base of the country will put the same TDs back In election after election.

It’s by design and clearly there is sweet F.A anyone can do about it. We all should have seen the writing on the wall with the formation of the Public Order Unit. RTE and the 7 million euros worth of media advice the government get do their very best to paint every protester as a vile far right scum bag which stops the vast majority of people from expressing any dissatisfaction.

Patrick2010

McEntee on Newstalk now , when asked about the high court ruling that Ireland has breached asylum seekers human rights by not providing accommodation on arrival and will we have to pay them compensation.

Her reply was that we are trying to source more accommodation, the world is changing with wars and climate change it’s natural people will end up here looking for a better life and we’ll have to help them.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453623#Comment_122453623

Climate Change is new to this agenda

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453602#Comment_122453602

Or send emails from 3 different accounts that get answered by some random secretary of your lucky, the TDs are whipped as you know - do you think a single one of them will change their opinion on something based on an email(or 3) from a constituent. Maybe their opinion will change but will their vote?

We had a local councelleor who was fantastic for 15+ years and they ran for TD and got In. The day they went into the dail they turned into a different person(based on their voting patterns). Toeing the party line has become the absolute norm now - I doubt junior TDs(or even the senior ones) get a say on any of the mainline policies at all.

An email may work to get some potholes filled but their minds are made up on immigration. As the poster above says - direct action is likely the only step which will effect some change - like it did for water.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453555#Comment_122453555

And accept there’s nothing we can do to stem the numbers coming in, it hasn’t worked anywhere, if we try the numbers will only increase? IHCR man on RTÉ now discussing their case. Says it legally binding now that the Government has to provide housing.

combat14

how can we continue to offer asylum when we have no where to put people

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453645#Comment_122453645

Gas, am I right I saying we(Irish Citizens) don’t have a similar protection in the constitution?

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453602#Comment_122453602

If they were going to respond to people's concerns and demands, surely they'd have done it by now.

Something, just something even approaching representation. But there isnt.

You joke about the likes of arson, but what else is supposed to happen here?

It's a genuine question. Nothing has caused a blip on the political radar regarding this situation for umpteen years of escalation, to the point that they're currently forcing, and force is the correct verb, more and more migrants into the most laughably inappropriate places and conditions.

With that record to date, what do you realistically see happening politically, in a timeframe equal to the magnitude of this disaster?

Or perhaps a better way to frame the question; what should the people in dundrum, tipperary do next?

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453602#Comment_122453602

Arson and worse is simply inevitable in the long term if this continues unabated and with zero consultation or planning. It’s quite literally laying the ground for mass civil unrest and could end up anywhere.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453623#Comment_122453623

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, natural about neverending migrants arriving on a tiny island at the far edge of the atlantic which is suffering under deepening infrastructural deficiencies for years on end.

Nothing in the slightest natural about it.

By the same token you could say the same about people arriving in Iceland, or Greenland, or Novosibirsk. It's completely abnormal for such a thing to happen.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452425#Comment_122452425

From the article:

"IHREC welcomed the High Court judgment with Head of Legal Michael O'Neill saying…"

…that superyacht is getting closer by the day😎

It was the wonderful Sinéad Gibney that said -

In a sworn statement to the court, the IHREC’s chief commissioner, Sinéad Gibney, said the Commission very carefully considered the matter before deeming it essential to bring this case.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/1221/1423309-human-rights-commission/

Gibney has nailed her colours to the SocDem's mast as she aligns closely with their policies - As above, Gibney deemed it essential to bring the case - She then deemed it essential to feck off from the IHREC a few weeks later and run for a cushy MEP job paying €600k salary over 5 years with massive unvouched expenses also at about €600k for the 5 years - €1.2m over 5 years was just essential to go for wasn't it Sinéad?

I think it's essential not give any sort of a vote to the SocDem's as they'll be as bad as the Greens…just sayin

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453670#Comment_122453670

This is the thing.

I'm sure some would read this and jump immediately to "these people are condoning violence".

But it's not that at all.

It's a simply framed question: having tried everything available to them, the people in dundrum, tipperary are to do what next?

Read about their experience of "consultation". It means nothing, its simply, "you're taking these people, end of story".

So, what should they do next? If you yourself live there, what would you do next?

Expand that ultimate question out to the whole country. What's supposed to happen next?

Something is going to fill that void, it's inevitable.

LongfordMB

It was the courts who ordered the government to essentially triple the cash payments to men without accomodation following a different ruling.

Makes you wonder, who is sovereign here. The courts should not have the authority to tell a government to change policy. The people elect a government to make policy, not a courts system to instruct the government.

We must legislate quickly to more narrowly define what a refugee is, and what the government will provide if they are deemed to be genuine. No more rule by judges.

Ozvaldo

There is no opposition party in government lads shinners are a waste of space.Government is free to run riot .

Ireland is turning into a 3 rd world sh1thole day by day.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453710#Comment_122453710

More money for the legal system. Leeches everywhere.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453710#Comment_122453710

The fly in the ointment with anything like that is will, or the lack of will, to be more precise.

If somebody could point to just one single moment of tangible effort from governments to curtail migration, from the last decade, I'd be surprised.

For them to go from zero to suddenly hurtling through complex legislation and law is nigh on wishing on a star.

It is unlikely to the extreme.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453639#Comment_122453639

And if many many constituents send emails, no effect you think?

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453645#Comment_122453645

If you yourself were in the position of a local in Dundrum, Tipperary, obviously vehemently opposed to the migration scheme, and having exhausted all means available to you...what would you do next?

You see, theres all the buzzcocks about legalities and frameworks and obligations and courts and everything else that has yielded nothing of note for what feels like centuries.

But what it will inevitably come down to is Johnny Everyman and what he does himself when faced with the problem right on his doorstep with no time to spare right now.

And that's what everyone needs to answer, governments and individuals alike, what is supposed to happen next?