Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

creeper1

I wish they'd get their story straight.

They are here because they need protection or they are here to work because obviously there's a formal visa process for the latter.

Yesterday they were talking about this plan to develop the train system on local radio.

Donegal had a train service a hundred years ago.

The rail network today only goes as far as sligo.

Apparently they are planning on building one into letterkenny linked up to the north because in the future according to the interviewee the island of Ireland will have a population of 10 million.

(A lack of population is cited as a reason railway was closed)

A real WTF moment.

Where are these millions coming from? Not the Irish with a below replacement birth rate.

This is all planned.

tabby aspreme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451045#Comment_122451045

Sunderland brought Simon Coveney to the Bilderberg conference for a reason

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451377#Comment_122451377

and then the media types on Twitter yesterday are **** themselves when a report from election commission after we boldly rejected them referendums last March finds nearly 25% believe the government are replacing us with all new “doctors and engineers “

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451428#Comment_122451428

Pro tip, you need to give the link with twitter.com in it instead of x.com to make the embedded link work 😊

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1818702787116425375

This is insanity. The last thing we need to do in this country is to be encouraging Roma from other parts of Europe to come to Ireland.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451462#Comment_122451462

given that that the government loves putting out global warming projections going forward a 100 years with pictures of Dublin under water, they should do the the same with population makeup and "debunk the myth" of population replacement?

Patrick2010

where is this big shortage of workers currently?. What work is suitable for lads arriving with no English or formal education?

All they will be able to get is low paid manual work. The type of workers we need in IT and the medical field already can apply for a visa.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451501#Comment_122451501

He needs to be put on gardening leave before its too late for the country.

prunudo

if we need workers so be it. But they need to come in through legitimate channels. All this will do is undermine the current work visa system.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451501#Comment_122451501

An out of control and out of touch lunatic. Should be in prison.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451526#Comment_122451526

A basic visa requirement should be pass a language test and pass an IQ test >120 welcome to Ireland .<80 deffo no way barred from even visiting ;-)

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451501#Comment_122451501

As anybody with two eyes can see - the Roma are mad to be included. They can't wait to get out to work because that's what they do all over Europe. Work really hard and integrate. It's the racist Irish peoples fault that they haven't managed this here.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450832#Comment_122450832

The asylum system based on laws that came about after World War II don't fit our current times and are causing fractures in society all over Europe.. Using it to by-pass normal immigration laws is fraud and needs to be stamped out.

There's people who've emigrated here legally from Middle-East/Africa are seeing people come here without any means or documents getting accommodated and handed money and so are just as angry as the native populations of the various countries..

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451510#Comment_122451510

There are loads of unskilled jobs out there : cleaners, kitchen workers, waste disposal, car wash, factory operatives, unskilled construction labourers, nursing home staff, agriculture etc.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451594#Comment_122451594

A lot of those positions involve having fluent English and certifications.. you can't just walk into a nursing home to deal with patients without being able to communicate with them … Same with construction, if you're given strict safety instructions and can't follow them then injuries could occur.. same working in manufacturing.. this is just to pick out two examples…

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451430#Comment_122451430

Does he even have a concern for the people from foreign countries considering the conditions they are facing when they come into the country?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451632#Comment_122451632

For sure, but it would be incorrect to say that there are no jobs that unskilled migrant workers with limited English could do.

Also, many asylum seekers are skilled and have come from being in full time employment in the country they have left behind. The very fact that they are accused of being 'economic migrants' looking for work would back up the point.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450770#Comment_122450770

Point 1. Engage in people trafficking.. great. Do you not see the utter stupidity of something like this?

Point 2. What good is this? If they are in the country we have to look after them. Deportations are "bad, do not work and are expensive" as you keep telling us. Thus making your point completely irrelevant.

Point 3. Imagine little old Ireland or the EU actively uses a sea that has been around for like 5 million years as a deterrent. Should we ask the med to move? 🙄 As for smugglers or militias. Working with groups to keep people away by moving them to/towards Europe. I guess this does sound like a typically Irish thing to do. Back in reality though, this has to be your best comment yet. Pure comedy gold.

Point 4. Where is the proof of this? You keep asking for proof - I would expect you to be able to provide the same.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451677#Comment_122451677

Many asylum seekers maybe. But the ones being accused of being economic migrants are economic migrants as not even the most fervent liberal lunatic can deny that the majority of men arriving every week, mainly from Nigeria and a couple of other countries are fleeing nothing and are just arriving because they are chancing their arms and know if they hang around long enough they will be looked after.

Even the NGO people handing out tents have admitted the majority aren't genuine asylum seekers at this stage. Why should we let these people abuse a system set up for others who are legitimately in need of asylum? That doesn't seem helpful, but yet this is willingly conflated by those that want to welcome every chancer in regardless. Rather than admit there's a problem with the current system we should just double down on stupid and try to silence anybody that questions it.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451632#Comment_122451632

It would be logical to think that this was the case, but it doesn't seem to be.

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/nursing-home-rapist-came-to-ireland-illegally/39486133.html

I've seen this first hand with an elderly relative getting home care. Most people working in the sector are good people trying their best, but there is a significant minority out there grossly unsuited/unqualified working in the sector.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451594#Comment_122451594

Nursing home staff are unskilled, really?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451677#Comment_122451677

Asylum seeker fleeing persecution or looking for work, can't have it both ways....if AS prove your right to claim asylum....if looking for work follow, the rules like everyone else

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451854#Comment_122451854

Yes, they might be working there as cleaners or kitchen staff for example. Not everyone working in the place would be a nursing home assistant dealing directly with the residents.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451846#Comment_122451846

Exactly! It's downright ignorant to assume you can just send anyone into a Care home without documented references and certificates:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-67717148

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451510#Comment_122451510

Seen an interview with a fella from North Africa on X , said he's been working for McDonalds for cash in hand (Deliveroo maybe?) made a couple grand since arriving 3 months ago …was getting the equivalent of 15 euro a month where he came from

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450943#Comment_122450943

😂😂😂 We all know the Tories f**ked the UK economy and got in largely on the back of bogus anti-immigration rhetoric. Any links to Irish GDP per capita (itself not a very accurate measure of population wealth over the past decade) over the last decade?

It's easy have a go at Deliveroo drivers (and I don't know how you'd realistically deal with the phenomenon without getting a bit socialist tbh). But the truth of the matter is many low paid workers contribute hugely to the economy outside of a basic calculation of their income.

How many doctors and engineers would we have living here if they couldn't eat out in a restaurant, get their groceries in a shop, have their home cleaned and have them and their loved ones cared for?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451701#Comment_122451701

Here's some proof on how our horrific our deterrent policies actually are, including accounts of people ransomed by traffickers etc

If you want further proof of how our deterrent policies are failing simply look at how many people arrive in comparison with what they face. 30,000 people dead in the Mediterranean over the last decade, the majority of children coming here exposed to abuse, torture in north African camps etc.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696846/my-fourth-time-we-drowned-by-sally-hayden/

LongfordMB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451999#Comment_122451999

The only reason people are dying in the Mediterranean is because our government and NGO's are supporting a vast criminal run human trafficking operation. Shut that down and the deaths cease.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451999#Comment_122451999

Selective answering as always.

Anyway.. Do you even think about anything you actually post? You are now at the point of claiming we actively using the geography of the world as a seemingly approved government deterrent policy. It is beyond laughable. Even the suggestion that we have deterrent polices in the first place - if we do they do not work.

People getting in boats in the med etc have absolutely nothing to do with us. I suppose it's our fault that kids are starving in Rwanda as well.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451444#Comment_122451444

Adjudicating who receives refugee status is a complex and subjective process and thus prone to error, whether on the part of the applicant or the adjudicator. We see this to some degree in how approval rates vary from year to year and judge to judge.

Labelling everyone who doesn't meet the criteria as bogus doesn't allow for those who were wrongly judged to have not met the criteria or were genuinely mistaken in their application.

Would you label everyone who fails a college exam a bogus student who tries to cheat the system?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452060#Comment_122452060

You literally have argued that people are using the asylum process as they cannot get visas to come here.

You are now suggesting that everyone is legit, there are no bogus asylum seekers and it is the process that gets it wrong.

Genuinely mistaken?

I think it is fair to say that no one is going to travel half way around the world, get passed all the "horrors" of our "treacherous deterrent system", cross the med, travel through Europe get to the nasty little country that is Ireland, Get free legal advise and help from NGO's to lodge their request and appeal just to be mistaken about their circumstances as a refugee.

Ill leave your final comment as it is about as stupid a comparison as you can make.

You are either on a complete piss take at this point or are blissfully ignorant.