Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122530183#Comment_122530183

Doesn't it feel good to know your tax euros are going to spread the same lies, disinformation, misinformation, and obfuscation that he'd accuse the Far Right of spreading?

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533302#Comment_122533302

A prolific contributer implied that anyone who takes issue with current practices and policies around immigration in general and IPAs in particular could be suffering from serious mental health problems and should seek help.

There was a link and all.

It was as ironic as it was cynical.

thomas 123

why not name them? Or maybe moderation took swift action and there is no need ?

moby2101

delete

Headshot

https://extra.ie/2024/08/21/news/irish-news/asylum-seekers-lift-belfast

‘I left Jordan on August 7 with my cousin and we flew to Turkey and then on to Scotland.

‘We heard about people arriving to the UK with no passports and being arrested, but we had our travel documents and identification with us all the time.

‘It was not a problem for us to board a ferry to Belfast and when we arrived we met a man in our contacts who drove us in his car to Dublin.

‘We paid him €300 for the two of us. He’s not Irish and I don’t know him personally, but there are people who asylum seekers get in contact with for these type of things.

‘I understand getting a bus or train would be much cheaper, but we were told that the police do random checks so we couldn’t take the risk.’

Here we have it:

Jordan is a safe country.

Leaving 2 further safe countries in Turkey and Scotland

Organised Human Trafficking down from Belfast, is there anything going to be done about this? Not a hoop!!!

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Asked why they opted to come to Ireland as opposed to the UK, he replied: ‘We were afraid the UK government would send us to Rwanda and believe we would be treated better in Ireland.’

It's truly laughable, a scheme long dead is still put the fear in these people and they see Ireland as a soft touch, so a figment of their imagination is scaring them over anything Ireland could do to deter them

creeper1

Simon Harris "this needs to be dealt with at EU level

Although there's some truth to that it should not be used as an excuse to abdicate resposibility.

He and his coalition are in power.

They only need stop being so generous and they'll reduce numbers.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533960#Comment_122533960

Why do we have a government at all. I ask myself a lot of the time. Theyre such a useless shower.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122529272#Comment_122529272

It seems to me that McDowell is lining up a presidential run for 2025. The cynic in me is telling me he's playing to the gallery just as Harris did for the local/Euros in June.

DeadHand

I believe, at this point, one would struggle to find genuine refugees, or people fleeing persecution in the traditional sense, among the ever growing mass of IPAs.

From Michael McDowell to the Department of Justice itself, it has been recognised and stated that the IPA system has become a popular means whereby economic migrants can gain a foothold in the State and (eventually) access fully the economy and generous social welfare system of the country without significant checks or challenge.

Crucially, the current practice around IPAs also generates mountains of cash and influence for native capitalists and NGOs in what amounts to a huge, lucrative system of state-sponsored human trafficking.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

Some neck on that lad tbf.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

And what should be done about people coming in from Northern Ireland?

'Build that wall!', 'Build that wall!', 'Build that wall!'

Ozvaldo

Just to add what an embarrassment of a country Ireland is .No homes for the Irish and hotels for illegal refugees along with social welfare and priority for everything.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534140#Comment_122534140

Brilliant contribution.

Plenty of options to try, Automatic rejection of claim and a plane ticket home. Work with the UK government to prevent the abuse of the CTA. Much cheaper than building a wall.

But to be honest, given your stance on all of this I am surprised you are not out demanding we start running a free ferry service from the UK.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534140#Comment_122534140

Do you ever get tired banging that drum?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122530749#Comment_122530749

Why are there no threads on the sky being blue? If a thread on overpopulation is that important to you. You are more than welcome to start one.

The thread is about refugee policy,not general migration. Read the mod updates on the 1st post if you need further clarification.

If you wish to discuss Ireland's emigration patterns/problems, again, open a thread. Kindly stop conflating legal migration with asylum seeking/illegal economic migration.

Virtually no one (yes, there are a few loopers) blames migrants for Ireland's problems. Before you bring it up, yes we know migrants did not cause the housing crisis. If you are bringing multiples more people into the country than you are building houses this just makes it magnitudes worse.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534201#Comment_122534201

That's it? That's your great mass-deportation plan you've been so secretive about all this time?

Buying people a plane ticket home! I wasn't expecting much tbh but I thought you'd have come up with something better than this quite unoriginal take on voluntary deportations.

As for working with the UK government, I'm sure it's top of their priority list.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122532882#Comment_122532882

Yes but again, what you're talking about here is a targeted concern about high immigration — not overpopulation. Regardless of annual numbers, the overall numbers show that there probably wouldn't be a hugely material difference in our population if immigrants and emigrants were swapped around.

What that tells you is that it's not a problem of overpopulation that we have. What we have is a problem of there being a historic and ongoing lack of impetus to modernise and improve our infrastructure and resources to deal with the inevitable population increase deriving from our emergence as a modern dynamic economy — not to mention an almost abject failure to make practical provision for the fact that we have rapidly changed from a very rural / agricultural society into an increasingly urbanised one.

Notwithstanding the fact that the influx of Ukrainian refugees was an unprecedented event (and one which — while we can argue all day as to what was the right way to approach it — we probably could not have completely avoided) — I'm not sure I buy the argument that it's realistic to expect we would not be experiencing the housing, services and cost of living issues of today if asylum seekers disappeared or we dramatically reduced migration (without that reduction causing problems of its own).

Headshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09t22jW7r0A

Video recorded by IPAs in Dundrum

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

The whole system is a shambles. They're pawns in a money making scheme, the government don't care for anyone but themselves, neither born and bred citizens or those they claim we have international obligations towards.

Although, the women is obviously being coached by a ngo or do gooder, it is still isn't a good situation.

cal naughton

Wow the sense of entitlement is off the charts in that video! I get a sense that things are going to boil over in these facilities soon.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

The Prime Time investigates crew will be all over this one - It will dominate the airwaves for weeks

There is the small chance however, that they'll just stick with the reporting of Gaza and ignore this domestic issue for some unknown reason

Will we have a - "extra.ie-A source of misinformation" - thread started because they did a hurty article about the Govt/FG?

extra.ie is quite obviously a hotbed of white supremacist neo-nazi sentiment - Who knew

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534201#Comment_122534201

Would you implement a hard border with NI?

It's either a common travel area or it's not. It will be abused if it's open.

For the record I do think we will need border controls with the UK soon. But I don't see people calling for it...why not? That said, border controls with NI will not prevent crossings. It would be a sieve.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534459#Comment_122534459

I agree with you but also there's no excuse for how that gentleman speaks to them at the end, an absolute pig

We think he's the manager of the place, a horrible horrible individual

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

I have a feeling that this Resort hotel will be getting a very negative review on Booking.com !

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534459#Comment_122534459

Thats because the ngo's are in their ears, filling them with every trick in the book.

Gusser09

I would have zero issues having a border with NI at this stage. If that's where the majority of these people are coming from then it makes perfect sense. If it's done properly then it won't be too much of an inconvenience.

Either we go for a United Ireland where we can control the ports up there or we put a border in. One or the other.

Ozvaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

No chef on hand lousy

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534371#Comment_122534371

Another ground breaking contribution.

What are you even talking about at this point 😂

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534469#Comment_122534469

No - we both know that would be impractical.

As for the discussion, the government is unwilling at least publicly to admit we have a problem with the numbers coming into the country and/or the way they are doing it.

Cant fix an issue if they refuse to admit there is one.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534315#Comment_122534315

Well, as is common on here, you seem to have leapt to comment on what you think I'm saying — rather than what I actually am saying.

I was making the point, aimed at a particular poster who specifically referred to overpopulation as an issue in the context of this thread, which you have kindly reminded us is a thread about refugees. I made the point that it seems odd to me to evoke overpopulation as an issue in the context of refugees and that it also seems to me that the gripe is really simply one of people thinking there are too many of them or they aren't being handled well. That's a legitimate concern in its own right that doesn't need to be dressed up as a concern as to overpopulation and — in my own opinion — is indicative of the trend on here to be alarmist and constantly tie everything to some doomsday scenario (be it overpopulation, the fall of Irish society and western civilisation generally, the obliteration of Irish culture, the "replacement" of Irish people).

You don't seem to be disputing that point. You're just making points to me that aren't actually reflective of what I'm saying.