The Range Thread

Comer1

I'm very interested in knowing what real life range people are getting from their cars, taking into consideration; weather, driving speed/style and mileage.

I calculate range as Km traveled divided by Percentage used multiplied by 100. Obviously the longer the journey, the more accurate the result.

My current range in this weather:

58kWh ID.3 with 62,000km on update 3.0

Weather dry, calm, 6 degrees, driving on 80 to 100km roads with a moderately light foot on a 120 km round trip commute, my range is 270 km

Kramer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058282226/the-range-thread

That's 21.5kWh/100km 😯.

A Tesla Model 3 would smoke that, in terms of efficiency.

Are you sure you don't actually have a Taycan or Model X (towing a trailer!)?

Kramer

Tesla Model 3 LFP yesterday, with 50km M7 @ 120km/h plus 140km on various N roads & smaller. Heating at 21c, heated wheel, seat, tunes thumping etc. Dry. Temps 7/8c?

26kWh consumed for 190km travelled @ 14.1kWh/100km.

Estimated range then of 404km from the 56kWh odd (usable) battery.

the_amazing_raisin

ID.4 77kWh here, currently getting around 21.5kWh/100km for about 350km range

In warm weather I've seen that go down to ~17kWh/100km so should get around 450km range easily enough

All at motorway speeds of around 120km/h

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182031#Comment_120182031

120km/h plus what? 😜

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182073#Comment_120182073

21.5 is very good for an ID4 @ 120km/h I would have thought.

Id only just beat that in a M3P and MSP.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182080#Comment_120182080

VAT😁

Kramer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182080#Comment_120182080

https://media.giphy.com/media/4JU2k4gyxE0vSzf64D/giphy.gif

😁.

eagerv

I am more than happy with the range on my Model 3 RWD, as I have possibly mentioned a few times before..😁'

Similar enough to @Kramer on my faster runs, but a lot of my driving is on rural roads so rarely see less than 4km/% even in winter, But I prefer car at about 19 or 20C with seat heating on low and steering wheel heat on.

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182080#Comment_120182080

its 50km +140 km segments each with its own speeds as the kinetic energy ~ with the square of

I know you meant it as a joke though :)

celtic_oz

interesting to see how close to https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/range-electric-car

ELM327

Just posted in the Tesla Owners facebook group actually on a similar topic on Sunday night.

305km, 90% of displayed SOC used. 61kWh net but that excludes the hidden buffer so likely 56kWh available or so. M3 RWD

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182138#Comment_120182138

That's a very rough average over the past few months, which included some very mild weather and a few cold snaps

The worst I've ever seen it was heading to Dublin from Dundalk into a pretty fierce headwind and temperature around 0C. Averaged a pretty horrible 25kWh/100km so that would be barely over 300km range 😱

As I said, that's pretty much the worst I've seen it

One thing I'll give the ID.4 is that it's surprisingly aerodynamic. That's not to say it's close to Ioniq or Tesla levels, but there doesn't seem to be the massive jump in consumption between 100km/h and 120km/h that some other cars seem to suffer

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182231#Comment_120182231

Haha, when the guards ask me what speed I was travelling at I'll give them the RMS value 😂

Those trucks overtaking really increase the frequency of velocity changes

Side note, trucks overtaking should be illegal unless there's 3 lanes 😬

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182182#Comment_120182182

I hope that was tourism industry vat, not sure the guards will accept the full vat rate 😁

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182225#Comment_120182225

You know I think the best answer I have for "how much range" is enough that I'm fed up of driving by the time I need a recharge

Also if I have a second coffee before leaving I'll definitely be needing an emergency stop before the battery is even below 50% 😳

brownej

The range numbers are so dependent on the journeys you are doing so as to make the numbers kinda meaningless. You can have huge variation on the same day in the same car.

For example at the weekend, After 183km of motorway I had a usage number of 24.2kWh/100km Limerick to Kill (Ionity chargers) Quick top up and continued my journey into Dublin, 30 km with a 16kWh/100km.

The difference being that the motorway was 120km/hr and the journey from Kill into Dublin was N7 and M50 plus a few K on slow roads meaning a much slower pace. It had also stopped raining and the N7 and M50 are much smoother road surfaces than most of the M7.

Thumper Long

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182992#Comment_120182992

Same car similar journey from full & preconditioned 320km 2 x 160km legs used 88% (returned home with 12%) delighted with that range really didn’t know how it would behave, tried to stick to 110kmph journey was prob 90% motorway.

coolbeans

Up and down the M7/8 today in Hyundai 231 Kona 64k

Energy consumption 51.18kWh

Average consumption 16.51kWh/100km

Driving distance 310.00km

Recuperation 7.29kWh

Mostly at indicated 125km/h

Buddy Bubs

18kwh per 100kms in cupra born since start of October when I bought it

6000kms done in 4 months, but I haven't owned it in any warm weather

58kwh usable so 58/18 is 322 kms range which is what I find in reality to be honest

Old diesel

Outside of winter around 200 kms range based on traveling 2 kms per percent.

In winter somewhere between 1.3 to 1.6 kms depending on temps, journeys, weather. So 130 to 160 kms

The 130 would be when doing short trips.

The run from my village to my house goes up hill and ruins efficiency on short local trips on that route.

Hyundai Ioniq 28 kwh here.

Admldj

90kwh Jaguar I-Pace of which I believe 86kwh is useable, have a very consistent commute of 160km a day roundtrip of which 100km is at full motorway speed and 60km is on back roads keeping up with traffic (60-100kph) in the summer the range was holding steady at approx 370km, during the cold snap it dropped to approx 280km and is currently at approx 320kms. Don't believe in being uncomfortable so heating is on, heated steering wheel and seats too if necessary and A/C on cold in summer

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120183799#Comment_120183799

Ah now I wouldnt be sticking to 110. Speed limit plus vat, is my motto.

Gumbo

2020 Model 3 Performance.

I drive it like a normal car, no precondition, no departure set up etc

Just get in and drive

I leave climate on auto 24/7.use everything as and when needed

January - 655km Travelled, 194 kWh used with an average of 296 Wh/km.

brownej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120185959#Comment_120185959

What sort of driving do you do? That performance number is pretty poor?

Thumper Long

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120185905#Comment_120185905

Used to be my motto too, sometimes with customs and excise in addition to Vat but the penalty points system is currently working as a expected 😭

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120186208#Comment_120186208

Loads of cold City driving and lots of heavy foot driving. It’s quite good compared to the V8’s and big engines cars I’ve had before it.

From March onwards that average will drop to 194 Wh/km based on last years figures.

Fingleberries

Here's a rough guide of my range

• 2021 Model 3 SR+ LFP with heat pump (approx 58-60 kWh usable), 11 months of driving
• Distance Travelled: 26,000 kms approx. (even mix of City/Town, n-Roads and Motorway driving)
• Total charging for the 11 months: 4,200 kWh (approx)
• Average: ~15kWh/100KM (shows just below 150 Wh/km in Tesla dash)
• Calculated average range: Approx 380-400 km

Disclaimer: This is back of the napkin maths, and may have slight errors in calculation.

TitianGerm

Looking at my sheet it looks like my wife's Ioniq 5 is averaging 22.5kWh over 7000 km.

That would include 10% for charging losses that I have in my calculations for running costs and basically preheating the car twice a day for 5-10 minutes before she sets off to and from work.

My Ioniq 28 is around 17.5 allowing for the same 10% for charging losses over 3500 km.

Red Silurian

I plugged in at work this morning at 65% after leaving yesterday at 100% and doing an 80km round trip. So that's (80/0.35) 228km from a 2018-2 Leaf 40 with the heating on the whole time or 17.5kWh/100km

zg3409

I prefer worst case range predictions, then I don't need to think about it if going less than worst case range. To extend range I typically slow down to avoid a public charging stop or on long trips plan to stop at a 50kW+ charger.

For worst case I am talking 100% motorway. GPS full 120km/h, cold weather say 0 degrees, battery not preheated, headwind, rain.

EV database is good for this.

Dont trust the guessometer range display on car. Often these are deliberately optimistic and no pessimistic and dont foresee your really long high speed trip. They are often based on recent days trips which may be slow speed local trips with car preheated. Thus estimated range left is not that real unless it uses data from the day of use.

To compare like for like you need multiple EVs on the same road on the same day, which some reviewers have done. Typically Tesla is best followed by Hyundai/Kia with others struggling particularly at high speed due to shape of the car.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120187872#Comment_120187872

I find consistently that the EV database is 120% of what I receive in reality, FWIW.

brownej

The availability of fast chargers (150kW+) needs to be drastically improved.

Ideally you want to charge at the optimal state of charge, but if you are on a long journey this may not be possible. You take a charge where you can get it. Take for example Dublin to Limerick. Your options for fast charging are Ionity Jill (Which is quite close to Dublin) and J14 (**** show). Next available is Portlaoise with 1 fast charger. Then after that you only have double 50kW units at Barrak Obama and Birdhill. The M8 to cork is better served with fast chargers in Cashel and Fermoy. Every motorway service station should have a bank of chargers like J14 (only maintained and working)

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120187235#Comment_120187235

That would back up what the missus says, that her Ioniq 5 is 25-30% less efficient than her previous classic 28kWh.

eagerv

Had a longer run today without charging in my March 2022 Model 3 LFP RWD. From home west Co Wexford to Cork, a bit in the city, then home again. So wind, altitude etc cancelled out. Roads dry, almost no sun and temperatures probably about average for a southern winters day at between 7 and 11C. Started at 100%, did not preheat and kept to speedlimits mainly at 100km/h or a bit slower when in traffic queues, which were lengthy at times.

304kms total, car said I would arrive home with 32% when leaving Cork, actual was 30%. I did stop for a cuppa though, which probably used up a little with sentry on for about 10 mins. If my maths is correct, this would give a theoretical range to zero of 434kms, I don't think my buffer is as big as others have mentioned; however this car really amazes me with its efficiency in the right conditions..

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120188314#Comment_120188314

Funny how efficiency has basically gone out the window in the past couple of years. Imagine the range you'd get with a 77kWh battery and Ioniq 28 efficiency

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120188576#Comment_120188576

Yea, but in her case only about 13 to 16.5kWh/100km. Still very inexpensive on our present 8c night rate..

higster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120185597#Comment_120185597

Mind me asking what wheel size you have. Struggled to get 250km in cold and nowhere near 320km in winter…saying that love the car soooooo much

higster

https://youtu.be/dtP4FQckU40

decent range/efficiency comparison

Admldj

18" wheels unfortunately, but agree, such a great car

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120188576#Comment_120188576

A bit late in replying 😊, but that is what they are hoping (or close enough) with the new Ioniq 6.

Ionised

Ioniq 5 58kwh

Just passed it's one year birthday.

11k km

Average overall 16.9 kwh/100km

graememk

Dublin and back in a day, got a bit of a charge at the podpoint in dundrum, topped up to 73% at knocklyon, lost my nerve in Monaghan on the way home and stopped for 10 minutes (and got 75kw on the Niro)

Oh 201 Niro..