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What's the point?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,311 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    3 new mods.

    I didn't go though the whole of AH, but I'm of the impression that most of the closures are by one particular mod. Surely that shows that it's not moderation of AH that's the problem just the moderation of one particular mod, who is on a mission, that is.


    In the Woke thread the Mod in question effectively rage-quit from that thread, calling someone ignorant in the process just two days before being made a mod, so it's clear as day that there is personal bias from that mod regarding that thread. So after rage-quitting the thread, and being called out for it, one of their first actions after becoming a mod was to come back and close the thread. It's effectively the equivalent of not being able to play yourself, so you come back and take your ball and go home.


    Effective moderation of any forum, especially AH, shouldn't be allowed to be based on personal beliefs, and should be impartial, and free of bias. That's definitely not what is happening now. If the mod in question can't do that, then they should do the descent thing and step aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Agree. AH modding does not seem to be for him.

    We don't want him on the rocking chair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Why are you starting at the beginning? That usually only happens when a cmod or admin is coming in cold during a dispute resolution.

    You were an active contributor to the thread so surely you know the content? Also I don't understand why anyone would contribute to a thread they found "as much craic as a funeral" .....though a fair few funerals I've been to were great craic..bitta food, shared memories and a sing song.

    Existing mods were already active in the thread , giving directional steers where necessary.

    I'll be honest and say I only dipped in and out of the thread as anything with "woke" just makes me eye roll, so not my cup of tea.

    In saying that the last few pages were mostly about Fawlty towers, again I'll be honest and say I don't get the gammon reference, someone said it was a racist comment ...if that's the case ban the poster for making a racist comment, seems fairly straightforward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Yeah I don't know what their end game was/is.

    Either they were doing the "p1ss on everything" to mark their territory, or they actually didn't want to be a mod and went down a self sabotage route.

    Either way I think respect has been lost.

    I think silence of other mods is speaking volumes.





  • If you think it was some personal “I’m out to get you” re the woke thread, I mean, feel that way if you like. I’d say it’s a touch of an overreaction but that’s just me.



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  • Honestly this whole thread has in my opinion descended long ago into farce. Some 150 comments and the majority are putting (mainly me) mods down for every decision they make you don’t like.

    theory crafting the exact reasons I personally want your thread shut down as if the bloody thing isn’t a catastrophic disaster at this stage.

    I swear and the same people wonder why some forums don’t have mods anymore.. you guys had a few threads closed for a bit. My mistakes, I owned to it. But I see that doing so has given this notion I guess that if you shout at a mod loud enough you can have your own way?

    I don’t even know. All I’d say is have a look at yourselves and then ask why people don’t want to be mods around here. All of this over a few threads being closed (which most were reopened..)

    The Woke thread is closed until all mods have their say. End of story.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It wasn't "closing a few threads by mistake". You came straight out closing threads with spurious reasons and rude closing posts, your own responses in the woke thread were far from civil and you then rage quit when another mod pulled you up, then you went and closed that. Then there's the unnecessary bold mod posts you've added to other threads.

    You closed it, so hiding behind the other mods doesn't cut it. I don't complain about mods, but while you might say it's no wonder no one wants to me a mod, the reality is that some are only too delighted, albeit for the wrong reasons.





  • I’m not hiding behind anything. I’m telling you why it’s still closed.

    I’ve finished my review. I am awaiting further input before going any further.

    And with that I’m leaving it here.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It is being actively reviewed now?

    It's a long running thread and you closed it, can you not open it back up while it's being reviewed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    As I said I've no skin in the game regarding the woke thread......it's not my cup of tea.

    The optics don't look great when a poster rage quits a thread and then closes it.....it's the equivalent of taking your ball home when you're losing the match.

    But I do agree with you that there has been an over reaction. However I don't think that overreaction is by me!



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  • insofar as I’ve asked the other mods for their input. So far I have received one response, but it was the weekend so I’m not going to put any pressure on anyone.

    That seems fair enough considering it may take some time for the rest of the team to get back to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Ramona Lively Pension, you should have been nowhere near modding, never mind closing that thread - one in which you had been involved with prior to becoming a mod, and had essentially left in a fit of pique, even calling someone ignorant. The fact that you are now doubling down and leaving it closed "end of story" is fairly indicative of you, and your modding style into the future.

    You are not in a position to impartially determine the closure or moderation on that thread - you absolutely should have left it to someone else.

    You don't get to editorialise the content on the forum you moderate, you get to moderate the forum in accordance with the charter - if you are going to re-interpret the charter then it's only fair that you make people aware of the new interpretation before riding roughshod all over a long-established, long-running thread that no other moderator took issue with previous to your new regime.

    You certainly don't get to decide that threads in which people are actively participating, and finding value in contributing to, don't meet your arbitrary line of "merit" for remaining open.

    You are also, for whatever reason taking this thread, and the criticisms therein, quite personally - something you will need to stop doing and grow a thicker skin. You've agreed to become a mod of After Hours, people are going to question decisions you make, almost every day. Make peace with that, and stop getting all defensive all the time.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    So, another example of you deciding a thread has no merit and now you're waiting for others to back you up.

    What was it that you deemed to be problematic with that thread?





  • Right I don’t really like this notion I “rage quit” the thread. I was not bothered to continue the back and forth because it was as clear as day we were never going to agree with each other. (The poster and I) so I left it there.

    Look, I’d completely agree too if right after I closed the thread. But let me promise you I’d forgotten entirely I ever posted there until it was reminded to me yesterday! 😂

    I think it’s completely unfair to accuse me of closing a thread because I had a disagreement about a discussion from like a week ago?

    The fact is there’s background information I have available to me including reports from the thread that influenced the decision to have a deeper look into the thread. It’s not reports from one person and they’re not isolated.

    I appreciate its pissed on some peoples cornflakes, moderation will do that, but I’m not going to be accused of disingenuous behaviour when I’m simply acting on reports and performing due diligence.

    I’ve said it as many times that no matter what modding is pissing off someone either the ones who want action or the ones who don’t. No one’s going to be happy all the time, you’re welcome to vent that frustration, I suppose, but it’s completely unfair to start theorising that I’m out to get your threads or I’m abusing mod power just to close down threads I disagree with because someone said something in it I don’t like.

    In fact when it was evident to me that the closure of some threads was abjectly unfair I reversed the decision rather swiftly, in my opinion, I didn’t double down on a poor stance and deflect all criticism.

    That said I will not step back from my position on this thread in particular (wokeism). It’s caused me no end of headache the past week or so due to reports being filed regularly and I take all of them seriously and give them fair time and thought.

    It got to the point where enough reports came in that I decided that the thread warranted careful review. The easiest way to do that is temporarily close it. I felt as well that a thread running as long as this one (it’s nearly at or over 10k posts already) deserved if nothing else a very careful review of the contents and suitability for the forum before making anymore decisions.

    That’s about all I have to say on the subject entirely. If you all want to believe I’m just out to get your thread, okay then. I’ve done my best to explain why that’s just not the case but I can’t spend all my time here either.

    So you will either believe me that I really haven’t got that much vinegar in me a thread being slightly distasteful to me in some regards means I’m out to get it or you’ll think I’m a shite mod who’s just soaking your favourite cereal in boiled piss. Suit yourself at this stage, honestly.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The woke thread always generated reports yet it stayed open.

    The pretending you forgot about your own posts there and references to pissing on people's cornflakes are pathetic.





  • If you think I’m pretending I forgot that’s fine. I have posted in a lot of threads, I don’t remember all of them especially when I’m not very active.

    Like I said I’ve nothing else to add here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    a long-established, long-running thread that no other moderator took issue with previous to your new regime.


    Well that’s patently not true. From the opening post -


    Folks this thread has strayed very very far away from its origins as a slightly more lightheared take on 'wokeism'. We need to return to that tone and move away from the more serious discussion that honestly belongs in Current Affairs / IMHO.

    The mods are going to have to start removing posts and, if necessary, actioning users if the above is not adhered to. We realise the thread has moved away from that lighthearted tone in recent times, so this may be considered a bit of a change in direction - but its one that is necessary to realistically and justifyably keep this thread in AH and open.

    TL;DR Let us all try our best to keep the thread lighthearted. Thanks.


    That mod instruction and numerous mod instructions like it, in the last few weeks particularly, and going back months before that, are littered throughout the thread. How many requests to keep it lighthearted have to be made every time things got out of hand? Dozens, and eventually a thread is just more trouble than it’s worth when posters just continue on as they were like mod instructions were never issued.

    This thread is beginning to look more like a witch-hunt and less like actual feedback about AH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    absolutely zero self awareness there, and really, "boiled piss", "piss on cornflakes". Nice.

    Also, it's pretty incredible to suggest that you conveniently "forgot" posting in that thread just before you became a mod, and then went and summarily shut it down as soon as you got the power to do that. You also fail to address, yet again, that you were more than in disagreement with another poster in there, you named them ignorant. It is not unfair to question this, and your motives for cloning the thread.

    What you are doing is taking your new mod powers, shutting down a thread you don't like, have participated in in the past, and are now taking a forensic view of it, when it's been open and presumably mods who were there before took no issue with the content - the content you are now going to "carefully review" - how far back are you reviewing? what are the expected outcomes? warnings, cards, bans - from posts and posters how far in the past? Just leave the thread closed because it's too much of a headache for you, when it wasn't a headache for any other mods modding there before you appeared with your new powers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Why is a "not very active" poster given the role of a mod?

    While quality over quantity should definitely be paramount, why give the role of mod of a very busy forum to a poster by their own admission is "not very active "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    cool cool cool, pick one line from my post and dismiss everything else as a witch-hunt


    cool cool cool

    easy to know which side of your own particular slice of brennans is buttered anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Sorry Ramona Lively Pension, I did not start this thread as any kind of feedback or attack on you. I have no previous knowledge of you and I was not aware you were a new mod. I've never opened the 'woke' thread. 

    My feedback was simply questioning the motive behind closing threads mods don't deem worthy. I've been here a long time and haven't really noticed this happen before. I think it's a bad idea and was merely expressing my thoughts on it via the Feedback forum.

    I want Boards.ie to survive. I've enjoyed using it for many many years. When I first joined it was almost exclusively to use the Poker forum. At the time the Poker forum was one of the busiest on Boards with a huge community and many of us became friends in real life though our encounters at poker tournaments. Then there was an argument with Mods, I don't remember the details, I wasn't involved, but the forum collapsed literally over night. It went from hundreds of posts per day to 0. Just like that. 

    My point is, and I'm not taking about you, I'm talking about Boards.ie as a whole, is that policy can very quickly destroy a forum. Of course it shouldn't be the case that anything goes but if a thread is harmless, regardless of how silly or pointless it is, it should in my opinion, be allowed take it's natural course.





  • I love how portions of my response are being picked at to make some sort of smoking gun..

    Maybe I need to spell it out for you so it’s perfectly clear: I didn’t post very much in THAT thread, it was entirely forgettable to me, I post in a good number of threads and if I was offered €1m I couldn’t recite them all to you.

    Look, I can’t be bothered wasting anymore time here, you are on a witch hunt at this stage clearly, have fun with it ig.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jesus that's appalling behaviour around the woke thread. 😳

    Just closing a previously long running, very active thread because of personally not liking it, and now refusing to reopen it... wtf?!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    I can see this thread has grown legs over the weekend and is right now treading a fine line between providing constructive feedback on forum moderation and having a dig at Ramona Lively Pension, which isn't fair.

    From my reading of this, and other threads, Ramona Lively Pension has been very receptive to feedback so far.

    He has acknowledged the issues raised, such as closing threads abruptly and abrupt mod notes on threads, and said he will do better in future. I'm not sure what more can be expected of him right now.

    He is a brand new mod, in the role 2 weeks. So far the most active ie. visible of our new mods and he has also proactively engaged in all of the recent feedback threads concerning him, taking criticism on board and trying to explain the reasoning behind some of the actions taken.

    Behind the scenes he is also actively engaging with the mod and cmod teams and also making the effort to ask questions and learn how and why we do things.

    He has my confidence as a mod and he has openly admitted that he hasn't got everything right so far.



    Re the woke thread, it is by far the most reported thread in AH. There are multiple reports about it every Single day. It needed a fresh pair of eyes to do a review as it's definitely lost its lighthearted nature along the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    And then they wonder why the site is getting so little traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    haha, never change boards.ie, never change



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Funnily enough, the same mod in that thread was unable to engage in any constructive debate around a recent topic (content warnings on books), instead ignoring points other posters made, claiming offence, and then refusing the engage with posters. I can see the latter approach on here as well, unfortunately.


    If you can't engage in debate around a topic, I don't really see how you can be a moderator on said debate.


    I'll also give a +1 to the idea that it makes no sense to close silly threads in AH because the mod doesn't deem them worthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,058 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If the mods think you are not on their side of the argument/debate then they will warn you for 'trolling'. Even if you are not trolling. I think some of them are not the bosses at home and are trying to make up for it with a power trip on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The fresh pair of eyes, is a previously active and overtly biased new mod. Further to that, they have been at the very least disingenuous regarding their participation in the woke thread.

    Why should any review of that thread go back any further than when their own participation ended? An example, if you read the below from Ramona Lively Pension, it would appear that they'd never read the thread, let alone contributed to it.

    I’ve read 10 pages of that thread so far and it’s about as much craic as a funeral.

    Almost as if it's brand new to them, which is odd considering in their pre-mod days, they were quite active on it.

    On page 2 of this thread, I asked Ramona Lively Pension a question which was avoided but to which the answer is now patently clear. Did they take advice from other mods before closing the thread?

    As given their previous stance as being an arbiter of "merit" one would hope that their mea culpa would have been tempered by the awareness that as a new mod, already questioned on their trigger speed? They'd at least spit ball their next big call before throwing petrol on the embers of their already acknowledged errors?

    As barring something in need of immediate action? That's a fair assumption isn't it?

    But no, they clearly haven't and now the weekend is over the Cmods and admins are going to formulate a retconned response?

    Or as I would hope, and in fairness as I know from prior dealings with you. Take an objective look at what's happened and in particular the timeline and participation of Ramona Lively Pension in the woke thread.

    The claim that they couldn't remember posting in a thread they were active in?

    Look, I’d completely agree too if right after I closed the thread. But let me promise you I’d forgotten entirely I ever posted there until it was reminded to me yesterday! 😂

    One would assume then that any thread issue prior to Ramona Lively Pension's last contribution in the woke thread of all of 6 days ago, which they'd completely forgotten

    Inability to deal with a trauma?

    I’m bowing out. I wouldn’t waste another second speaking to someone who is that ignorant.

    Peace.

    Is outside the scope of Ramona Lively Pension's and indeed now the mod teams review? Or is it going to be a retrospective realignment of thread action or inactions with the new sheriff in town?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    You raised a very valid point yesterday when it was stated that one person was reporting posts.

    It was about people who read threads, but don't actually post, but take the time to report posts instead of refuting them on Boards.

    I think this thread here indicates why they would do that.

    So a mod has now stated there are numerous reports, daily, about that thread from different people. You have also shown that this thread has warnings from the outset. There are also posts deleted daily. This makes more sense that one person trolling.

    This thread does not read like feedback, it reads like a Court Case cross examination. It does not read very well or healthy.

    I hope Ramona Lively Pension is getting the support they deserve from their own team.





  • to bounce off ToS point about daily reports, the reports are not by any stretch from a lone actor.

    There are many and often. Any notion the thread was closed because I found some topics ridiculous and didn’t wish to engage is nothing more than deflection and looking for someone to blame.

    They can point the fingers at me if they want. The content of that thread and reports are what triggered investigation, as was said, behind the curtains you don’t see what’s happening and there’s only so much i’m going to be able to share.

    Don’t worry about me either, anewme, I’m fine. I can see clear as day what’s happening here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nah, I won't be gaslighted into the idea that this is just a witch hunt. My engagement with that poster some weeks back - he was an absolute bully.

    There's a bunch of such bullies though - and people have now simply had enough, because it's bad enough when they're not mods, but to make one a mod...?

    It's extremely disrespectful to a community to close a long running thread out of the blue like that. The feedback has been given - reopen it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    it's an easy way to shut down unwelcome feedback, tell the people giving the unwanted feedback that they are engaging in a witch-hunt, even though they've never engaged with one another before.

    they'll say whatever they need to to cover their own arses - twas ever thus.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's happening is people are objecting to your appalling behaviour - nothing more. Own it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Anyone who reads that thread know it is a handful of posters who ruin it.

    Someone posts up something funny and the usual few drag it off topic and openly insult posters without facing any action.

    They are effectively trying to get the thread shut down.

    That mod a few days ago done the exact same, could not argue a point and referred to someone as weak minded and another as ignorant.

    The mod clearly has the same beliefs of those who drag it off topic and relentlessly hit the report button to try get it shut down.

    They have now got a mod who agrees with them and they have finally got their wish.

    I would hope the other mods will show a bit of cop on and reopen the thread closed down by someone who is not impartial.

    It is a very bad sign for the forum, lets hope the mod learns to be a mod and not allow personal beliefs destroy another forum.

    The site is losing numbers as it is and this behaviour is just going to turn people away.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, the bootlicking from the fans just because they've got a mod now who agrees with their schoolmarmish outlook... 🙄



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I didn't say that only one person was reporting posts, I'd be able to name quite a few of them.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There we are now, note the plural:

    I'd be fairly confident I could identify posters who regularly report posts in that thread.





  • Yeah maybe read the thread Fugue before launching at me? I have consistently taken on board all feedback since the thread was started.

    However it has devolved into little more at this stage than just taking pot shots at me personally because a thread was closed that upset some people.

    If you or anyone else thinks I’m just going to lie down and roll over whenever a storm is kicked up over something a few people don’t like, think again.

    I’ve been as receptive to feedback as I can be for the entire weekend I’ve responded to criticism and feedback, I’ve reversed decisions I made and yet still over and over the same points are repeated and some absolutely ridiculous ones are being made.

    I’m being accused of every type of incompetence despite very few contributors even having the access necessary to understand why I came to conclusions I have and made actions I have.

    What’s going on here is a bunch of people are butt hurt the wokeism thread is closed and are using it as an excuse to have a go at me. If you think it’s anything but that give your head a shake. Look at the last two days worth of posts and show me where I’ve refused to take on board any feedback offered?

    I have been accused regularly just this morning that I am lying about forgetting I posted there and that’s definitely the reason it’s closed. When I refuted the point I had excerpts of my post thrown back at me as if they were a smoking gun and undeniable proof of a transgression.

    I’m swiftly beginning to lose patience with the farce this has turned into. At this stage the thread is not about feedback it’s a targeted attack on me and in some cases other mods for daring to have a difference of opinion to you or doing the job assigned which is making sure the forum and threads therein follow the site rules and charter.

    Yes, you poor things, a thread was closed for review, whatever will you do. It’s a wonder you haven’t fallen down dead without it.

    Yeah, yeah, bad mod, okay, go DM the admins and seek my removal then, by all means if you think I’m doing such a bad job let the powers that be make the call. I’m fed up trying to explain myself to you guys, everything I say is being taken and turned around to try and make me out to be a boogeyman.

    I’ve done my level best to be as transparent with you all as possible but it’s evident that it is being used to attack and take the piss. I’m not wasting anymore time with this thread.

    Thats the very last thing I have to say on the subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭raclle


    Closing long running threads like that is going to annoy a lot of people especially those who enjoy participating in. Can it not be re-opened while being investigated? If you all agree its not suitable for AH, instead of closing it why not just move it?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There does come a point when what's been said has been said, and the person on the receiving end can feel attacked, no matter how thick-skinned they are, but it doesn't help then when they say stuff like they know exactly what's going on (like it's something nefarious) and double down on the decision that was unnecessary, based on personal bias, and won't take responsibility for what's causing the grievance.

    Leaving the thread closed is just pigheadedness.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The petulant tone of that speaks volumes, as does the usual closing of It being the last thing you'll say on the subject.

    You got carried away when you were made a mod, insulted one poster's literacy and belittled one other poster when you closed 2 of their threads.

    You're now accusing us of being butt hurt because you pissed in our cornflakes, but the fact remains another mod got the better of you in the woke thread and you swooped in to close that down.

    You're not impartial enough to be a mod, that's why people are posting here, it's not a personal attack because none of us know you.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Yeah, I was going to say similar. It's very hard to take a debate seriously when phrases like "butt hurt" and "piss in your cornflakes" are being thrown around willy-nilly.


    I'm not sure the comments have really been taken on board here either - looking back to the start of the thread, Ramona Lively Pension is very clear that the decision he's taken is final and is explaining why it was taken. But that's not taking on feedback at all.


    This, again, from a poster who can't actually engage in debate on the main thread in question, calls others weak and ignorant, cites offence and leaves without contributing to the debate.


    That's not moderation. Moderation is weeding out the crap and letting the discussion flow. Shutting down threads is the opposite of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No one said it was you who said it.

    The response to you was something like, bet I know its the same person, or something like that. You liked the response, so that could look like you were agreeing that it was the same person reporting posts.

    Same as OEJ, I do not understand the issue about reporting post. its nearly like "snitches get stitches" ratting out mentality. Unless someone is malicious, the report post is there if people want a Mod to look at the content. OEJ's response was very relevant, as there is no way you could know who is reporting posts, unless they are reporting them to you. People could be reporting posts and not visible at all on the thread as has now been confirmed by a number of Mods.

    So if there are loads of reports about a thread, then there is clearly a problem with it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's turning into a pile-on, yes, but what doesn't help is you being disingenuous with "a few people are upset". Don't be so dishonest. It was an extremely active thread, and the height of disrespect to close it out of the blue due to personal bias. And then to refuse to reopen it just to save face. Whereas you would look the bigger person if you reopened it.

    I suspect it's because a lot of the stuff being laughed at on that thread is the more daft gender ideology stuff. Angry gender ideologues need to accept that many many people aren't willing to accept the anti reality side of the matter.





  • moving it elsewhere presents its own problems (namely finding a forum it fits and then ensuring there’s nothing there that breaches the forum charter).

    There’s also a matter of would moving it absolutely kill the thread dead, no one wants any active and busy thread to die and if it’s moved somewhere else, especially if the forum it goes to doesn’t have enough mods to keep an eye, that’s exactly what may happen.

    Opening it while reviewing makes the process a bit harder I really understand why some folks are anxious to have it reopened but please understand that we are working as fast as we can to assess the situation and do what is necessary.

    What I will say is the thread currently more likely to be reopened and moderated more closely than it is to be moved. From what I’ve seen there does appear to be a minority posting in bad faith and the entire thread isn’t for the bin, which is good, obviously.

    As for posters who may be contributing in bad faith they will be addressed as necessary but you will need to just be patient. I am in two minds about reopening ahead of that being done, regrettably I think it’s best to leave it as it is for now just because it’s easier for the team to look over the thread when it’s closed.





  • Again you’re asserting I have closed it for personal bias, when it’s been said numerous times & confirmed by a Cmod that the thread has been reported, daily.

    this is the exact type of disingenuous remark that leaves me disinterested in engaging any further in this thread because no matter how many times it’s explained the thread just drew too much attention to itself I’m being accused of personal bias.

    A Cmod was just here earlier to explain this themselves also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Seriously now @[Deleted User]

    Step away from this thread and liaise with your other mods before replying because every response you give is making things worse. You are swerving between plain arrogance, petulance and playing the victim card (and the gaslighting attempts are ridiculous to say the least).

    It’s a pity it has to come this far but it was inevitable. Looking forward to the outcome of this important review.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    DMing the Admins to seek your removal

    jesus jumping christ what do you think you are?

    Either way, the history and MO of boards.ie is that when decisions made by Admins/Cmods etc come into question, especially around the appointment of mods, they will never, ever admit they got something wrong, will double down on their decisions with a circling of wagons - each and every time.

    Your tone and reaction to the first bit of criticism you've received is very telling. Your continual denial of remembering that you posted in that thread and had a negative interaction is verging on the ridiculous, and is in no way credible. If some random user decided to use that as a line of defence in Dispute Resolution they'd be given short shrift, and you know it. But it's cool, because you have the back-up of the heirarchy now, and nobody can question anything you do or say.

    What happens the next time someone dares to question some arbitrary decision you make? More petulant outbursts? Will you start banning people who disagree with you on a thread, get the bold text out and start scolding people?

    Hold your hands up here mate, I've never posted in that thread (that I remember) but it's wholly and completely obvious what the agenda here is.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The other poster merely said he could name one of them.

    The fact is it has been acknowledged that sometimes mods only action reported posts without reading the full thread, so reporting posts are often used as a tactic to get threads closed down.

    Ramona Lively Pension said earlier in this thread that it wasn't just about reported posts, for some other reason he decided to read the thread and decide himself it was "as funny as a funeral", doubling down and calling us butt hurt and pissing on corn flakes isn't really helping him, especially since he lost an argument and rage quit the very thread that is now so problematic in his opinion.



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