Is housing really that bad or is it just another hyped up 'crisis'?

MegamanBoo · 13-02-2023 9:31pm #1

I'm firmly of the opinion it's appalling, but I can't understand why there isn't more public outrage.

Do people think it's hyped?

Is it hopelessness?

Or if it doesn't affect you directly are you not really bothered?

How can FFG still be in power and at circa 40% when this has been allowed to worsen unchecked for years now.

MegamanBoo · 13-02-2023 10:14pm

A recent article in a local paper here in Limerick reported a young lad, earning 900 a week as a construction worker, caught frostbite and pneumonia from sleeping rough.

Because he couldn't find anywhere to rent.

Is that just how things are now?

KaneToad · 13-02-2023 10:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058284169/is-housing-really-that-bad-or-is-it-just-another-hyped-up-crisis

Most ppl aren't effected by it directly. Ergo, most ppl don't care.

riffmongous · 13-02-2023 10:23pm

It's interesting why there aren't any major organised student protests, they are the ones who must be getting hammered at the moment (as far as I am aware anyway, I wasn't monitoring too closely)

YFlyer · 13-02-2023 10:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237918#Comment_120237918

I read that as well.

Rooms are advertised regularly.

MegamanBoo · 13-02-2023 10:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237973#Comment_120237973

So, he faked it, or it was by choice?

What are you saying?

Rooms being advertised doesn't mean 50 people show up for each one.

Gusser09 · 13-02-2023 10:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058284169/is-housing-really-that-bad-or-is-it-just-another-hyped-up-crisis

Its only a crisis if you work and pay tax.

Greyfox · 13-02-2023 11:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058284169/is-housing-really-that-bad-or-is-it-just-another-hyped-up-crisis

It's definitely not hyped, if I was looking for somewhere to rent right now looking of daft.ie would put me into a depression that I genuinely wouldn't be able to get out of. It feels hopeless as theirs no easy solution.

YFlyer · 14-02-2023 12:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238012#Comment_120238012

I don't know his reason. Plenty of satellite towns for him to go to.

YFlyer · 14-02-2023 12:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238016#Comment_120238016

Yes the Margaret Cash of this world get it easy.

mcsean2163 · 14-02-2023 12:54am

Friend desperate to move and has applied for about 100 places since September.

There's a strange mix at the moment I think where protesting housing shortage might also draw in anti immigrant people. I'd guess that's why the students aren't protesting.

If the war stops, it's likely the protests may start IMHO.

Mrs OBumble · 14-02-2023 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238549#Comment_120238549

Please name satellite towns with plenty of housing available.

StupidLikeAFox · 14-02-2023 1:03am

I mean if you look at the likes of the US and their homeless issues then its not as bad, we have fairly low levels of rough sleeping and those that are generally have other things going on. However, families depending on emergency accommodation and living in hotels isn't great either so still a bit of a crisis alright

14-02-2023 1:04am

Back when I was single, at college or working in Dublin renting with friends or even strangers and changing jobs on a whim and having to move to a new area to be close to work finding a place was a breeze and affordable. I'd not want to be that person these days on minimum wage and trying to get by.

I'll gladly say say "I'm alright Jack" and consider myself very lucky,

14-02-2023 1:31am

I'm not in Ireland but was back last summer and it's a definite crisis based on the difficulties some neighbours and cousins were having.

The country is very hard to move back to at the moment without a solid base to help you out for a few months. Like I couldn't arrive in Dublin tomorrow as a normal person and find accommodation for a job starting in March. I'd be broke paying nightly to stay in the city to look for somewhere, so I'd be doing the hour and a half drive from mum's place to check places out if and when they popped up. And that's only while there is a mum's place.

It's someone that's on my mind now. The fact that that support network is there at the moment and if I want to move back and not blow my savings just on setting up a life again, I need to do get around to doing it.

Antipathetic · 14-02-2023 1:40am

My sister was looking to move to Ireland from Spain to work as a teacher. Well that was until she looked at the cost of renting a place that quickly changed her mind, The housing disaster is costing us qualified professionals because who in their right mind would come here to spend most of their money on rent and then live in poverty once you take into account other living expenses.

14-02-2023 1:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238642#Comment_120238642

Funny you mention teaching. I've only a free Spotify account and so have the ads and they are going hard on the ads for teachers in Victoria/Australia. Not gone to check what they are offering but I'd imagine a few here are hearing those ads and thinking hmmmm !!!

YFlyer · 14-02-2023 4:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238595#Comment_120238595

There are plenty of satellite towns. €4,000 month. He has plenty of options.

Cookie_Monster · 14-02-2023 5:23am

Houses haven't exactly disappeared over the last decade. It's a population crises rather than a housing crises, simply too many people in the country versus available resources and pop growth allowed to go totally unchecked despite the lack of infrastructure in place to support it.

But limiting population growth is not something the govt is ever realistically going to do so it won't get fixed.

Jazz Hands · 14-02-2023 6:52am

The Government need to change their housing policies and grow a pair.

whisky_galore · 14-02-2023 7:24am

Homeowners: ah shur tis terrible to not have a home.

Also homeowners: new development near me, must lodge an objection.

StevenToast · 14-02-2023 7:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238750#Comment_120238750

You cant be having riff raff near my little johnny....

14-02-2023 8:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238549#Comment_120238549

There isn’t

whisky_galore · 14-02-2023 8:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238763#Comment_120238763

Oh noes, strangers using my road and my gym and my shops.

Boggles · 14-02-2023 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238633#Comment_120238633

so I'd be doing the hour and a half drive from mum's place to check places out if and when they popped up. And that's only while there is a mum's place.

One of the reasons for the problems now is a lot of people during Covid willing moved back to mum's place because of remote working.

notAMember · 14-02-2023 9:33am

Yup. You reap what you sew.

Those 26 pieces of stupid legislation hammering landlords, putting in rent freezes, slaughtering people on tax, made it incredibly difficult, expensive, and risky to be a housing provider or developer. So we said feck ye, and left the market and took our business elsewhere.

What did you fooking expect? Units to fall from the sky? Ireland needs to grow up and be accountable for the idiotic decisions made. Maybe if you got off the mammeries of your nanny state expecting social housing to be laid on a plate. Rip out the rubbish that was put in place , and make it make sense to build and rent again. But, I've a feeling it needs to get a lot worse before it will get better. Let SF have a go sure.

Dslatt · 14-02-2023 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238712#Comment_120238712

Cop on for yourself just a small bit.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2023 11:44am

It's a huge factor in the reluctance of many emigrants to return to Ireland. I was looking at Galway at one point and it's barely cheaper than London.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238881#Comment_120238881

Pathetic bollox. Landlords contribute housing the same way scalpers contribute tickets.

MegamanBoo · 14-02-2023 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238867#Comment_120238867

How does that affect the situation? You'll have to explain a bit better for me.

Gusser09 · 14-02-2023 11:55am

Single Mother - 19 and 1 child.

Given a 2 bed brand new build house in North East Kildare valued at 350k. 50 Euro a Week.

The working man or woman need to have a deposit of 35k and a salary of 90K to be able to finance that. God forbid they have missed a direct debit though. They'll be blacklisted for that.

A family also in North East Kildare- 2 parents and 3 kids given a brand new build 3 bed semi valued at 420k. 75 euro a week.

You do that maths on that one.

Now I know the types of responses I'll get on here but the above just isn't right in any way shape or form. I even look at the affordable housing bodies here in Kildare and their prices fare off the charts for cost rental long term tenancies.

The middle classes don't have a hope in life at this rate. We've been let down badly and have let ourselves down badly for letting things get this bad. This policy has been implemented by consecutive FF/FG governments since the 60's and 70's and these are the results.

MegamanBoo · 14-02-2023 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238881#Comment_120238881

I'm open to correction on this, but it looks like the cost of bringing an "affordable" apartment to market in Dublin now is about 450k.

Is there not enough profit in that?

If so, where exactly are costs so high and what can be done about it?

Is housing really that bad or is it just another hyped up 'crisis'?

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