USA 2024 presidential election

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421746#Comment_122421746

Which is worse than sleeping with a pornstar right?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421746#Comment_122421746

if that’s all they have, she’s laughing.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421831#Comment_122421831

If you're a woman, yes. Misogyny does dictate that sleeping around as a man is admirable, even normal; sleeping around as a woman makes one a slut.

Unfortunately, that's gonna be the logic from the same clatter of people who think Trump's bedding of a pornstar was just him being strong and powerful.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421993#Comment_122421993

Also something they hate

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122422087#Comment_122422087

I didn’t think that one through.

So far they have

1. She slept with a married man 30 years ago. He was separated at the time, had been for years, and later divorced his wife.
2. She has a funny laugh.
   

I think she’s going to be fine

Novacs_

Too close to call. No one appears to know who exactly RFK is going to take votes from.

Part of me thinks she'll win because she should get the black and women votes along with the liberal vote.

Then the other part of me thinks Trump narrowly missed out in the swing states 4 years ago despite a pandemic with people losing their jobs, lots of deaths. In addition, the 4 years under Biden/Harris has seen huge price increases and people might just remember the good times under Trumps economy.

Then I think Jan 6th and the convicted felon works against him. And the fact some of the swing states have a lot of union workers.

Then I look at if Harris is going to be the first woman they elect. She's not got any charisma, comes across pretty bad in speeches and has had zero positive profile in the last 4 years imo. She's also tainted by putting many black people in jail.

Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin - had these gone Trumps way last time he would have been in despite a tie in electoral college votes. This would have just required a swing vote of approx 20k votes across 3 states. Amazing that it could be that close.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122422430#Comment_122422430

When RFK is added to polls, Harris has a bigger lead over Trump. So drawing votes away from Trump.

Strong chance that RFK will drop out, endorse Trump in exchange for promise of some role.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/22/rfk-jr-trump-talks

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122422430#Comment_122422430

It's hard to know with RFK. He'll probably take votes from both sides of people that are 40 and under that use social media and listen to podcasts. He does a lot podcasts which is probably a smart move these days with how big of a reach they have compared to conventional news media. I'm sure Trump will use Kamalas "failings" with the boarder as his main ammo against her. Harris going after peoples gun will not go down well either

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421993#Comment_122421993

Tbh anyone who thinks that is all they are going after her on is very much in an MSNBC type echo chamber.

Their will be some awful stuff, but they are going after her on the policies and the obvious ties to Biden who we must not forget was not a popular president.

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1815903712180621734

sock.rocker*

Her husband is kind of interesting. Black voters obviously won't like that she married a white guy. And he's Jewish with a Jewish daughter who supports Gaza.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423079#Comment_122423079

"Obviously"? Where and what's obvious that there's evidence back communities hate mixed marriages - a concept fairly uncontroversial outside of white dogmatic communities.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423211#Comment_122423211

It's enough of an issue that studies are conducted on it by black women.

https://www.franklin.uga.edu/news/stories/2023/who-black-women-can-love-judgments-others-affect-relationships-white-men

In a subset of one-on-one interviews with 82 Black women from across the United States, one-quarter of interviewees described experiencing social sanctions for being in a relationship with a white man.

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The study, authored by Vanessa Gonlin, assistant professor in the Franklin College of Arts and Sciences department of sociology, suggests that perceived judgment from Black men leads many Black women to feel shame, frustration, and that race x gender power differentials are at play in these responses.

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“Deeper questions of identity and whether they grew up in a predominantly white setting, with their Black family members noting their ‘white behaviors,’ having a white boyfriend, husband, or partner can support a perception that the relationship pushes you further away from Blackness, that you’re less connected,” Gonlin said. Black women in this study were often frustrated by the perception that dating or marrying a white man disconnects them from the Black community.

Or just countless stories.

https://www.popsugar.com/love/personal-essay-by-black-woman-married-to-white-man-47632825

Through my entire relationship with my now husband, I've been ridiculed, teased, and bullied for choosing him. Before people even take a moment to get to know us and what we stand for, they've already passed judgment.

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I want to be an advocate for change. I want to be the change this world needs to see. I want to shine my light, and I want to stand up for Black people — but how am I supposed to do that when I'm being told that I'm a traitor and pushed out of my own supposed circles?

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/16wzplg/what_is_the_stigma_when_a_black_girl_is_dating_a/

My black wife was called a house n* by another black woman when we first started dating

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I’ve dated two black women and many black men would lose their collective **** when they found out or would see us together. They hurl the most unimaginable insults towards them, calling them a “cracker fucker”, “house n*****”, “a white mans whore”, “honky fucker” etc etc.

etc. etc. etc.

Lots of black people, especially older ones more likely to vote, hate seeing a black woman being a traitor and defecting to a white man. Her apparent record of putting lots of black people in jail won't help that. People care more about a sense of someone leaving their race behind than the fact they're the same race.

I live in Asia with my Asian partner and she is always called a traitor in her language by people on the street.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423287#Comment_122423287

"Franklin College of Arts and Sciences"

A Baptist college in Indiana… hmm.

Same issue of that magazine:

https://www.popsugar.com/identity/kamala-harris-presidency-impact-women-49380345

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423287#Comment_122423287

Interviews with fewer than a hundred woman and a sh*tpost on Reddit? That's pathetic, honestly.

hotmail.com

She's not black. She's mixed race.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423411#Comment_122423411

The fact that it's even being discussed at all is at the core of problems in the US.

She's an American woman - That's it.

Anything else is meaningless nonsense designed to label and categorise people based on nothing more than physical/racial attributes.

Everyone has be be put in a pigeon hole - Irish-American , Italian-American , African-American , Conservative , Liberal , Boomer , Millennial etc. etc. ad infinitum. It's toxic.

You know , if they could all settle on just being "Americans" they might just find out that things are a whole lot f*cking better all round.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423326#Comment_122423326

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423400#Comment_122423400

The same stuff about black people being called a "race traitor" by other black people for various actions is all over the Guardian, LA Times, CNN etc. Even being a police officer can get you branded a traitor.

Wild to me that people even think this is debatable and I don't know why people are fighting me on it. It's such a well-known thing for many black people to dislike "acting white" or marrying white.

https://www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-2011-oct-07-la-me-1008-banks-20111008-story.html

She was — like me — black, middle-aged and middle-class, and she disagreed vehemently with whatever I’d said that week.

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She threw down the gauntlet with her closing remark: “I can tell; you’re one of those women with a white boyfriend.”

I was pleased to be able to rally back: “My boyfriend is black.” Take that.

But I was also grateful that her challenge hadn’t come the year before. Then I would have been guilty as charged, of being one of those women with a white boyfriend.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1368430219899482

Overall, Asian and Black Americans indicated lower warmth towards interracial than same-race couples.

Black American women (but not men) indicated more negative attitudes toward the more common Black male–White female pairing than toward White male–Black female couples. Asian American men (but not women) reported more negative attitudes toward White male–Asian female couples than toward Asian male–White female couples.

You two seem to be under the impression that Kamala Harris being married to a white man would have zero impact on how black people feel about her. I think that is not the case and she would be viewed more positively by some black people if she had a black husband.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423452#Comment_122423452

The Democrats will never see it like this. Too far gone on identity politics.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423658#Comment_122423658

The only people I have seen go on and on and on about her race and gender have been Trumpers and Republicans.

Projecting perhaps?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423658#Comment_122423658

A complete perversion of what is happening.

Most people are pushing for quality and for everyone to be treated the same - The right are the ones claiming that some groups have aren't real and have no right to exist and are the ONLY ones saying that if you hire anyone other than a straight white make they are a "DEI Hire" and not there on merit.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423733#Comment_122423733

I don't live in America, but it seems to me the only people who use labels and identity rubbish are those that see themselves as "liberals" - another American identity feature.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423705#Comment_122423705

Definitely. Always accuse others of the thing you're doing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423452#Comment_122423452

It's nonsense but it's not going away. The country's unique history with slavery, it's worship of wealth, particularly unearned wealth, and its obsession with individuality mean that we'll be hearing about it for years if Harris wins.

It's toxic, sure but the political establishment there likes it that way as it stops people asking awkward questions like why they don't have a legal minimum annual leave allowance or why they're so poor in the richest country that has ever existed.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423809#Comment_122423809

You've clearly not watched that Tomi Lahren interview with Trevor noah

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421230#Comment_122421230

And they would be well aware of this fact from 2016. So they will vote for Harris to keep Trump out at all costs

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122422219#Comment_122422219

They got Hillary on an email thing and some funny expressions. They don't need much. People grossly underestimate how simple and base the average US swing voter is.

She's going to do better than Biden (polls already reflecting this), just hope she can survive the next four months without doing anything stupid that they'll latch onto.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424041#Comment_122424041

Do you think Harris' numbers for voting intentions are "artificially deflated" then ?

What kind of an add-on might we need to allow and in what States might this apply most?

Is Michigan the most obvious?

Even if this is true will she suffer from a lack of enthusiasm in that cohort (even if she can count on their votes on polling day) and could that be important in itself?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424086#Comment_122424086

Unlike Harris, they had decades of raging against Hilary, since Bill Clinton's peccadillos became the GOP cause celebre. The Benghazi investigatory farce was all about slinging mud at Hilary. It was more than just e-mails. Bernie bros didn't help; they had a grievance sure, but they followed the 'cut off the nose to spite the face' philosophy which didn't help.

Plus, for Democrats I know, Hilary was a big 'hold your nose' candidate because as bad as she was - and there was plenty not to like about her - anyone was (and still is, and will be) better than CFTrump.

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423326#Comment_122423326

In the interest of fairness - it's a college from the University of Georgia - think you've mixed it up with somewhere else.

The author is an assistant professor who appears to be very focussed on identity politics and on highlighting anything that could possibly be construed as racial inequality and blowing it up out of all proportion.

To be blunt - she's the type of academic that 99 times out of 100 Republicans would be ridiculing - but because they think its something to attack Harris with then the study (which is based on interviews of less than 30 people) is suddenly gospel.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122424159#Comment_122424159

Their vote could be fairly negligible at the end of the day but it is with tight margins that Trump beat Clinton on in 2016. The most obvious dilemma Muslims will have is that they have a choice between voting for a man who stokes up racism against them and voting for a woman

I think when it comes to the live debates Trump will be destroyed by Harris in a way that Biden would never be able to and that I think is the key difference that will swing those tight margins in the swing states in her favour