USA 2024 presidential election

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465299#Comment_122465299

What matters at the moment is that it's trump running away from debate, the rhetoric turned their very quickly (after outlets initially went with the "agreement" with fox news).

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463683#Comment_122463683

Undoubtedly but this is where the broken record of Trump appears to be struggling to reignite the kind of roiling post 2008 anger that pushed him into the WH; it's the same talking points and his main point of attack was being an old man with more energy than the other old man. Now Biden's off the ticket, Project 2025 nakedly ambitious and the momentum is shifting to the smiling, serious politician.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466891#Comment_122466891

The fact Trump can't even fall back on what he achieved in his 4 years says an awful lot about him as well.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466935#Comment_122466935

MAGA doesn't vote for Trump because he'll improve their lot, they do it because they hate the same people he does.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466940#Comment_122466940

Unfortunately for Trump (but thankfully for the rest of the world) MAGA numbers won't win an election. You need Republicans, Independents and disaffected Dems.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463752#Comment_122463752

There is no question that the Democrats in general not just Biden although him also are very bad at communicating on the economy and thats historical as well. If you look back at the US economy over the past 100 odd years not just the past few consistently the economy performs better under Democratic rather then Republican administrations. Yet Democrats have never really been able to nail down the message either recently or historically.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466940#Comment_122466940

Sadly that is very true. It is unreal how filled with hate they are. Must be a quite something living in that world so consumed by hate and looking for vengeance for perceived wrongs/slights every day.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466978#Comment_122466978

Thankfully yes that is true also. Hopefully now with the newly energized Democratic base that will give the platform for Harris to come out on top.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466978#Comment_122466978

That's what the electoral college is for!

Seriously, I'm moderately hopeful as he's clearly degenerating to the point where he's not even pretending to want to improve things.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122467168#Comment_122467168

While that may be true the the Dems are better at the economy that the GOP, the economy lags behind the election cycle such that the good and bad things take quite a few years to show.

And the average Joe just listens to the loudest voices with the simplest message.

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122467316#Comment_122467316

And the outlook for the economy isn't great at the moment

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468551#Comment_122468551

The possibility of a major war in the Middle East is also going to be a large shadow over this election. Definitely one reason I would prefer Mark Kelly in as VP nominee.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468551#Comment_122468551

Drop in some sectors since last week but others like the ism reported better than expected. But yes it will as always be a factor in the election especially with lower than expected job growth, tension in the middle east and the post covid spending splurge starting to see higher credit card debt.

Nody

Harris selects Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz to be VP running mate, sources say

As per CNN; he's been in a rural conservative leaning district so would at least in theory help towards the middle ground and disgruntled leaning conservative leaning voters I guess. Can't say I know much of him.

pixelburp

I was gonna remark about the irony of the new VP being another old white man ... but Walz is only 60, same as Harris. Those are some miles then cos he's the same age as Tom Cruise, for comparison lol.

Sensible choice really. Shapiro seemed more magnetic but from what I understand had a tonne of baggage and Harris' campaign needs to ride the wave of enthusiasm and positivity, not disrupt it. And they're doing a good job so far too of not getting in the way of the enemy when they're making mistakes - Shapiro could have unset that.

Derkaiser93

Think Walz is a good pick. I was backing Shapiro few weeks ago but it seems he's too decisive with the left and dems because of his Israel quotes and actions. Too much baggage and could've upset the momentum.

Hopefully Walz can rally and mobilize the blue collar workers and rural base in Pennsylvannia michigan and Wisconsen.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470477#Comment_122470477

I know nothing about Walz. He looks like a steady pick though.

martingriff

Wrong thread

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466935#Comment_122466935

Apparently he had 40 people in his administration during his time as President, and a total of 4 are endorsing him this time round.

Future generations will laugh long and hard at this one for entertaining this charlatan as long as he has been entertained.

Flaneur OBrien

Oh man, I can see why Republicans are not happy with this pick. All he'll do is highlight the cruelty of so many of their policies.

I see Johnson is giving out, calling him a socialist.

Great.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471499#Comment_122471499

I’ve done some reading about him. Seems like a decent skin.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470477#Comment_122470477

That might be to big of an ask as that sort of voter may be gone for the Dems atm, but he's popular enough with the base , has a likable type of personality, wont embarrass the head of the ticket and ultimately won't lose Harris any votes.

That's pretty much all you need from a VP something which every pres has understood for a long time even Trump in 2016 who in forgot that this time round.

Electorally Shapiro did make more sense as he makes it easier to win PA and she needs to win that state , but as has been said here and elsewhere to many murky stories surrounding his allies , he would annoy the left of the base and supposedly way to ambitious for his own good.

Anyway back to point A,,,think people do need to calm down a little and not expect him to perform miracles.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/steve-kornacki-tim-walz-election-results-blue-collar-politics-desk-rcna165435

One of the Democrats’ chief challenges in those states is in blue-collar and small-town areas, where the party once ran competitively (or at least respectably) before the floor fell out amid and after Donald Trump’s emergence in 2016. The thinking is that Walz’s story and style will be relatable and reassuring to some of those voters, blunting at least part of the Trump GOP’s newfound dominance.

There’s a catch, though: Walz wasn’t able to do that himself in his last campaign.

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471461#Comment_122471461

Only 4 endorsing him shouldn't be a surprise. What would be standard rate for staff turnover ? Supposedly Bidens staff turnover was around 70% and Harris had around 90% of her VP staff leave in four years with only 4 making it through the 4 years. An aide allegedly said that she's a "soul destroying bully" if those reports are to be believed

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486289#Comment_122486289

Only 4 endorsing him shouldn't be a surprise.

Huh?

Staff leaving is one thing, Jen Psaki left Biden's staff for example but is still a staunch supporter of his. But only 10% of key administration officials (not office staff) endorsing the candidate of the party they likely are still members of is a bad bad sign no matter how you try to dress it up.

pureza

The Sheehy for Senate campaign in Montana would turn the Senate red hobbling any Democratic presidency,moot as Trumo will win more of the decider States anyway

Kamala Harris despite having been a public prosecutor is woeful at public speaking without an auto cue, so is likely to be crushed by Trump in any debate.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486505#Comment_122486505

I haven't been following the senate race at all.

Quick things I learned:

34 seats up for grabs (including a special race in Nebraska)

23 are currently held by Dems/Ind.

It's a toss up by most whether Dems hold the Senate or not, Reps need to either flip 2 seats, or 1 and the presidency.

I'm looking forward to the Harris/Trump debates, because Harris can A: String a sentence together and B: Can stick on a topic for more than 3 seconds.

We'll also be able to see just how far Trump has fallen compared to a non-cognitively challenged individual.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486542#Comment_122486542

It will be interesting to see the impact of the Harris/Walz polling on the down ballot races.

Those close races could begin to lean Blue as the enthusiasm from the Democrat side is on the up.

If they come out to for Harris they'll vote for the Senate/Congress seats as well That was less likely to be the case a few weeks ago.

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486391#Comment_122486391

It's Trump we are talking about, Biden seems like a decent enough fella where as Trump is an acquired taste to say the least. He'd happily try bullish!t his way trying to make a positive out of it. I do think there's plenty of people in America that support him but wouldn't publicly admit for fear of being lumped in with the die hard lunatic trump fans

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486505#Comment_122486505

I do not understand how people can make pronouncements about how someone is bad at public speaking and there Trump will crush them. I can only assume they haven't listened to Trump speak in the last 4 years.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122487579#Comment_122487579

Whatever about 4 years, try the last 4 weeks. He has no energy, he looks completely spent.