Green Party ministers jetting off for Paddy’s Day.

pgj2015

My local Green TD is always banging on about solar energy and being environmentally friendly etc he drives a dirty old diesel car. 😂

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120254698#Comment_120254698

I don't think going to Australia/new zealand by boat to watch the woman's world cup would be that practical...

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120256646#Comment_120256646

Watch it on tv instead. Green party people should not fly unecessarily on jet airplanes.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120254729#Comment_120254729

Ryan is such a marvellous leader that the first thing the GP did after the last GE was organise a coup to get rid of him, and it came within a whisker of succeeding. That should tell you a lot about Ryan and also about the party he rebuilt single-handed.

I've voted green in the past, but never again. The real green positions have been taken on board by several other parties so they wouldn't be needed even if they weren't a toxic brand.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120257905#Comment_120257905

It tells you politics is a tough game.

Obviously it's your choice at the ballot box.

mod

moving this to Current Affairs, it’s not a topic for AH. Local charter applies.

JP Liz V1

A skype zoom call would do fine

screamer

We’re a way too full of our self importance in Ireland. Other countries couldn’t give a fook about paddy’s day, it’s just an excuse for a pish up. I hope Ryan is being sent to Singapore on a ship to reduce his not so green footprint, hope he enjoys it, cause I doubt he’ll ever see the governing side of the dail again.

BoxcarWilliam99

I assume someone has had a word with OGorman and told him not to bring anyone or a group back with him. His message in multiple languages about Ireland's open door to unlimited supports is part of the reason thousands (non Ukrainians) are arriving here.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120300031#Comment_120300031

Other countries do give a "fook about paddy's day"

Of course the most famous is Chicago and turning the river green.

We should, as Irish, be proud of St Patrick Day and should promote it all over the World.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120304851#Comment_120304851

I agree that the U.S is important for the Irish-American relationship, but do we really need to send 3 "Green" ministers to places such as Dhaka in Bangladesh?

Certainly I would think that no one outside the East coast of the U.S gives a fook about St. Patrick's day and don't we have Diplomats/Ambassadors in the various countries/regions around the world who could attend events globally on behalf of the country?

Just 3 of these "Greens" will be responsible for 11,000kg of Greenhouse gas emissions, not to mention they'll be chauffered around in fossil fuel burning vehicles... Which is absolutely justified because they can just offset the polluting emissions by having the Irish taxpayer pay what I can only assume is €10's of thousands into a tax fund...

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120304953#Comment_120304953

You are aware these are not chartered flights for the Green party and they are flying commercial?

Ireland has one day a year when we can push these types of conversation, when we can put the benefits of workgin with Ireland forward over other countries etc. We should maximise that. Not just send John because he is down the road. That would be an insult to the people in these countries especially if we are trying to set up relationships/trade deals etc

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305440#Comment_120305440

What are you on about, a scheduled or charter aircraft still uses Fossil fuels, and the fact is that the "Green" ministers carbon footprint will amount to Tonnes of Co2 for each of them...

Again, what are you on about? "John down the road?" I mentioned sending highly experienced Diplomats already in region to go and represent Ireland..

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251013#Comment_120251013

That would defeat the purpose of bringing in neutral non national poll watchers wouldn’t it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305959#Comment_120305959

Somebody from, say, Canada maybe?

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305959#Comment_120305959

Plenty of options in Canada and Mexico.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306007#Comment_120306007

Not more neutral than say, Ireland.

Silly thing to complain about.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306014#Comment_120306014

It is actually a boarder line cult

They Greenwash the hell out of things

It's strange that the biggest changes the Greens have made have resulted in the most "Un-green" outcomes

Blanket Emissions Tax on CO2, rather that tax on the fuel you use - This resulted in more polluting Diesel Cars being bought than ever before.

Privatization on waste collection - We've more dumping now than we've ever had before (This happened in 2012 officially after they were wiped out in the general election in 2011, but they'd started the ball rolling on that well in advance).

Cycling Policies have resulted in Dublin being one of the most congested cities in the world (Although the greens not totally to blame for that)

Finally, E10 and Net Zero Carbon by 2050 have potential to cause serious problems, E10 causes engines to run slightly hotter, Newer cars can cope with E10 but older ones might not fair so well even if the Manufacturer says they can.

Couple to all that, there's the infighting within the Green party itself. I'm still amazed people voted for them.

Ireland accounts for 0.11% of all the CO2 emitted, we don't need a green party

SuperBowserWorld

Maybe if they directed the money and energy travelling abroad towards planting more native trees then everyone would benefit.

They are again going to be the whipping boys for FFG. They really are not playing their cards right. History repeats so quickly in Ireland these days.

Podge_irl

The Greens don't actually want no one to ever fly anywhere. They want to encourage people using greener options when possible and to stop dependence on fossil fuels.

Its not inherently hypocritical.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306268#Comment_120306268

Ireland accounts for 0.11% of all the CO2 emitted, we don't need a green party

We're 0.06% of the global population

(Dublin is one of the most congested cities in the world cause too many people drive into it, not cause of "cycling policies")

Thelonious Monk

Cycling policies are the reason Dublin is congested. That's either supremely stupid or trolling.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306323#Comment_120306323

Having lived in Dublin my whole life and commuted via car, bus, train, bicycle and motorcycle from the suburbs on both sides of the city my whole working life, I can categorically say that it's 100% traffic policy and design that's behind the congestion issue.

In fairness I do not know who's driving the policy (I'd imagine its green focused), but that policy is definitely there to deter people from driving into the City Centre by making it slower/difficult get there, and its definitely working to a degree, there are fewer cars in Dublin City Centre, however now traffic around the suburbs is nuts.

Traffic evaporation is a myth, it just backs up somewhere else.

We're burning more fuel as of Dec 2022 than ever before. (168k barrels, we were are 153k Pre Covid), which implies that Green Policies aren't really working at all.

Green washing polices from the Green Party do not work. There's an awful "that'll do" attitude from them.

Like I'm all for Public Transport, I'd never drive my car into town. I moved close to a rail line having experienced how crap public transport is away from rail. Improving Public transport should be at the very top of any green agenda and with our green party it's not. They're an awful party.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306313#Comment_120306313

So why don't they get the Ferry and High Speed Rail (If travelling in Europe)?

It was good enough for me back in December 2022, why can't they do it? (cheaper and more comfortable too might I add)

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306452#Comment_120306452

Because a ferry to continental Europe takes an entire day?

If it were an option I would very much encourage/mandate it.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306480#Comment_120306480

I take your point. It does take a long time to get there. (Time management is key)

It would be nice if we had a more modern/more weather capable version of the HSS. (That would be a "REAL" Green policy, Ferries and Rail are the greenest way to move People and Goods)

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306416#Comment_120306416

lots of research says traffic evaporation is not a myth. have a look on google scholar, loads of published academic papers on the subject.

often the reason traffic is worse in some places is because more people than ever have cars and are choosing to drive even when they have other options. it's also down to awful planning and FF/FG ignoring public transport since the foundation of the state. vote green if you want this to change, they're at least trying to improve things now. hopefully can count on your vote in '25!

https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/disappearing_traffic_cairns.pdf

Larbre34

The Green Party are going to come back with either one seat, or zero in 2025.

It won't quickly be forgotten than in times of rising costs and runaway inflation, that the Green element of government insisted on penalising consumers with additional taxes, duties and levies, on home energy sources over which people have next to no option to change, instead of aggressively going after generation sources that have a smaller carbon footprint in the first place.

And do not come back and tell me that they are doing both, because if they were, we wouldn't be looking for emergency fossil fuel generating capacity and be facing brown-outs in the system.

The Greens are deluded, dogmatic and damaging to the economy and society.

If they want to fly abroad for Paddy's Day, let 'em strap on sets of wax wings and set course for the centre of the Sun.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306602#Comment_120306602

The well off urban elites who vote Green like me don't struggle with these rising costs so they'll still get our vote. It's not like the poor "ruardle Ireland" brigade struggling with not being able to heat their country mansions with turf or oil, or fill up their 3 cars with diesel because of Eamon's taxes were voting for us in the first place. I think you might be surprised in the next election, may get a few seats, may even get in Gov again because we're willing to do business with any party to get in Gov, gives us a chance to get a few things over the line like we're doing now.

Brussels Sprout

I love how this thread and the Soc Dems one are fully of posters saying that these parties are going to be wiped out in the next election - but it's clearly more of a dearly held desire than an objective prediction.

90% of the voters didn't vote for either of those parties in the last election. So all of you saying how you'll never vote for them etc. Well you're in the majority (same as the non-voters for any other party are). Guess what, they don't need your votes to get elected. They need to get some votes sure, just not the ones of people driving themselves into a fury, writing messages complaining about them on this forum. They can safely ignore you, safe in the knowledge that they'd just be wasting their time when there are plenty of other people other there who are interested in their policies - even if you despise them.

Larbre34

So you don't think both are under massive threat from Sinn Féin?

FG, FF and SF have the advantage of the seat bonus that comes with scale. A third large force of approximately equal size is very bad news for the Green, SDs and the rest.

The SDs still have some time for Holly Cairns to impress, to come up with a distinct policy platform and to either align or distance themselves from a talented Labour party representation. As I said before, they can either hang together, or hang separately.

I feel myself that the fate of the Greens has already been decided, by themselves.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305951#Comment_120305951

I thought the post was clear, you couldn’t understand so best to leave it at that

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306820#Comment_120306820

nuclear power will never be in ireland for a number of reason. The astronomical costs of building a power station alone would stop it even if they could find anyplace in ireland that people would allow it to be built

nothing to do with the Green Party

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306820#Comment_120306820

What have greenpeace got to do with anything? I'm not familiar with them being bribed for anything but it's about as relevant to our own Green Party as some neoliberal politician being bribed in Brazil.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306953#Comment_120306953

You really come out with some proper nonsense

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306956#Comment_120306956

Every thread the same tin foil hat rubbish

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305959#Comment_120305959

An election in some country thousands of miles away in which you have to fly and cause loads of emissions, is more important than climate change then?

There's no neutral people in America? Should I be worried about Irish elections considering Irish people manage the polling stations...should we bring yanks over?

And do you really think O'Reilly is neutral anyways? We all know who the greens would vote for in the US.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307221#Comment_120307221

😂

I don't support the Green Party.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307221#Comment_120307221

What anti science policies? If you mean nuclear, why haven't FFFG got nuclear sorted? Why are you putting this on the 2% loony green party?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306820#Comment_120306820

Green party has no connection to Greenpeace.

Greenpeace is not funded by oil companies.

Trampas

With all the building messes here would you trust any of them to build a nuclear plant. Sure what’s the worse that could go wrong

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307305#Comment_120307305

You will find all over Twitter and tiktok all sort of rubbish which seems to be aimed at some people

All conspiracy nuts spreading it with too much time on their hands and can be very easily be debunked with a few easy fact checks

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307583#Comment_120307583

Call it what you like but I'm right and you are wrong.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120306787#Comment_120306787

Sure they are under threat rom SF in the next election and the Greens will almost certainly lose seats from their current high number. Neither party be wiped out though.

Whether people like it or not (and most people in this thread do not) the Greens are the go-to party for people who are concerned about the ever increasing danger to humanity and the natural world caused by climate change and the collapse in biodiversity. Yes they got wiped out in 2011 but that won't happen again for 2 reasons:

1. They were part of a government at a unique low in Irish history - the collapse of the banks, the housing market, the wider economy and the entry of the IMF to the country. Both government parties took the brunt of that at the next election
2. Green issues are seen as more important now than they were in 2011. Sinn Fein don't like taking unpopular decisions in general and especially when it comes to this area. They're against both carbon tax and water charges for example. That'll probably win them more votes that it will lose but the votes that they lose are more likely to vote Green.

Brendan Bendar

Why does this senseless crud surface this time of the year every year.

Only a fool would not use the opportunity that nobody else has around the globe to publicise ourselves.

Time we realised that there isn’t a magic money tree and if we want to keep our standard of living we have to go out and work

for it.

The whingers who moan about this would be the first to put the paw out for Govt help if we didn’t have foreign direct investment

to keep the country going.

Time for a bit of cop on around these parts.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308752#Comment_120308752

+1.

It's just a yawn fest at this stage.

Lazy, lazy whinging.

...

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251082#Comment_120251082

There simply wouldn't.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120305440#Comment_120305440

Commercial in business class one presumes?

It's a bad look for green ministers to be jetting around the world while at the same time telling the plebs to turn down the thermostat.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308752#Comment_120308752

One can recognise the huge unique opportunity St. Patrick's day affords the country to market itself while at the same time noting the hypocrisy of the greens for participating in it too.

One can especially note that green ministers are not going to nearby cities but the other side of the world.