Spring social welfare bonus question

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274038#Comment_120274038

do you have a jab yerself?

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274075#Comment_120274075

I think everyone is vaccinated at this stage.

luke1313

If you don't like people grumbling, why do you come to the forum. I think most of us got jabbed enough already. We don't need another booster

Dempo1

Indeed and this forum seems to attract quite an array of ill informed people who fail to grasp, unemployment numbers are astonishingly low & that the DSP are incredibly proactive in engaging with those unemployed.

People also fail to understand there are numerous reasons why someone might be unemployed, such as redundancy & are very quick to judge.

Dial Hard

Yep, you'd swear everyone who's on the dole is a lifelong scrounger reading some of these responses. I've worked since I was 14 but I find myself on jobseekers at the moment. It's not fun and I can guarantee you that pretty much nobody who is used to working wants to be on it. And comments such as "Just find a job in any sector" aren't particularly helpful. As with most things, it's not that simple in reality. I work in an extremely competitive, highly specialised industry. If I leave it, I likely won't get back in. It may come to that, but hopefully not, because I worked my arse off to get to where I am.

So forgive me if I don't appear to be tugging my forelock sufficiently for drawing down my princely sum of €220 a week for a few months.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274409#Comment_120274409

No one is asking anyone to tug at their forelock. Quit with the "I'm being victimised" BS.

This thread is about the cost of living supports that have been provided to social welfare recipients, and those grumbling about them, and I went back and checked.

There were two extra fuel allowance lump sum payments made in early 2022, there were at least two extra "double weeks" of basic allowances paid in October and November, (not counting the Christmas Bonus) and a number of cash payments ranging from €200 to €500 to some recipients, including another €400 lump sum to all receipients of fuel allowance (including those who already got the previous two payments, the double weeks, and cash grants). This is all before the €600 electricity credits which they also would have got as well. Like I said, money was being thrown at them. So please, spare me the BS that those on social welfare are not being looked after.

There is a new phrase "earning their poverty" which applies to working people, who have not been given half as much help but yet its assumed they can continue to just plod along and continue to absorb the costs. I read an article just this week about the numbers of working families with two adults at work who are resorting to food banks to feed their kids. What about them?

bigroad

Most of those payments are for long term unemployed or never employed.

People ,usually workers who find themselves redundant or recently unemployed will just get the standard 220 euro if their lucky.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274531#Comment_120274531

No , a person is classified as long term unemployed from 12 months , in addition there's also a cohort on a part time Jobseekers payment, meaning they are actually in work but on reduced hours or zero hour contracts .

Worth also pointing out a person has to be on a Jobseekers payment for 12 months, before being eligible certain for additional allowances such as Fuel allowance, I get the impression some folks think DSP just throw money at those on SW

hawthorne

Yes- indeed...Unemployed people get everything for free. That shite talk was already around 50 years ago. I heard it since from nearly every workmate I ever had. And guess what- this bull will be still around in another 50 years time. Some things will never change!

In the meantime I enjoy another can of Dutch Gold!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275042#Comment_120275042

We're not talking about the last 50 years.

We're talking about the last year, specifically, during which there have been 3 lump sum fuel allowance payments, 3 double weekly payments (including christmas bonus), various other cash payments, increases in back to school allowances, as well as the €600 electricity credits, and a €12 per week increase in basic allowance from January.

Its all here - gov.ie - Social protection: Cost of living supports (www.gov.ie)

Social Welfare recipients certainly got more assistance over the last year then working people did, no matter how you want to deny it.

Yet despite that, the hand is still out for more and complaining they're not getting enough.

hawthorne

QED!

Relax! You are still alive, aren't you? So you think those folks in need don't deserve anything? As I said- I heard that one for the last 50 years!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275117#Comment_120275117

I never said they don't deserve anything, so put down the can, and don't put words in my mouth.

What I said was that working people are struggling too "earning their poverty" and are not receiving anywhere near the same level of support or consideration.

Just because someone has a job, does not mean they are immune from poverty. As I said, look up the numbers of working people going to food banks.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275042#Comment_120275042

Dear lord did you say your 50 or 5 🤔

Extraordinary Naive comments, you seem to show an extraordinary lack of understanding on how the real world works and interest in a forum that deals with State Benifits

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275149#Comment_120275149

So you think begrudging those who get some crumbs helps those who get nothing?

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275152#Comment_120275152

Oh dear- what did I do wrong now?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275166#Comment_120275166

Anyone who starts a post with "so you think..." really has no argument.

It's not begrudgery to point out that there are plenty of working people who are in need of help and deserve to be helped too.

But that's not what you want to hear, is it? No interest in their circumstances.

Because if someone has a job, they must be doing okay, right?

hawthorne

Nobody said that those people you mention don't need help. But you are clearly just hitting at others who get something. And all because someone asked a question about the spring bonus.

Quitelife

You have to be unemployed for at least 12 months to get all the bonuses!

Those who never worked basically !

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275303#Comment_120275303

LOL!

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

SAMTALK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275303#Comment_120275303

Give it to those under 12 months who are unlucky to have lost their job and are looking for another. It's the long term i would have a problem with.

MOST of those long term unemployed seem to have managed ok for years

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275321#Comment_120275321

How do you know that most long term unemployed seem to have managed ok for years?

SAMTALK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275345#Comment_120275345

Because a good majority are long term unemployed by choice and don't tell me this isnt the case

Of course it's not all of them, and i'm not talking about those that have worked and are unfortunate to have lost their jobs

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275382#Comment_120275382

You were talking about "most unemployed". Now you talk also about unemployment by choice from a good majority.

As I said above- nothing changed in the last 50 years.

SAMTALK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275435#Comment_120275435

If you read back I said most unemployed seem to manage ok and a good majority of unemployed are by choice, but you put your own spin on it to suit what you want to say

hawthorne

My own spin? It is not me who tries to whip up some bull about unemployed people!

SAMTALK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275510#Comment_120275510

So are you saying that most long term unemployed have no other choice?

hawthorne

I think it is solely down to every individual to decide what choice s/he has.

SAMTALK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275544#Comment_120275544

This doesnt even make sense to what we are discussing. I don't really think this is correct when someone else is picking up the tab for your choice do you ?

hawthorne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275583#Comment_120275583

It does make sense what I say. None of us is in the shoes of an unemployed person. So we cannot decide for that person or tell that person what to do or not to do. We simply lack the knowledge of the specific situation of anyone else but ourselves!

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120273841#Comment_120273841

I suppose it's symptomatic of the general feeling within the country (not that boards is relective of the general population, but in this case I do feel it is)

There's a genuine concern amoung those who work and pay income taxes and all associated costs of working, that there are still a large number of people in the country who've never had to work a day in their lives, despite having the ability to do so, or who could be working but aren't.

I don't think that's an invalid concern.

Targeted supports are all well and good but there are geniune concerns out there.