Senior PSNI officer shot in front of his son.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120285107#Comment_120285107

Thanks. I see it now. But that is from CAJ. Needs looked at if it is genuine. Guards arn’t squeaky clean either https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/travellers-racially-abused-by-gardai-and-treated-like-lowest-of-the-low-according-to-report-41780710.html

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120285144#Comment_120285144

The ruc shot a 9 year old boy dead in 1969, they were firmly involved in creating the 'troubles'. The harassed, beat, destroyed property etc but only of nationalists. They murdered nationalists and colluded with loyalists to have many more killed. This is all fact. You can't rewrite history. The psni is a much improved police force but it still has a large number of former ruc members. This is why the collusion is covered up by the psni. We need to work on getting a police force that represents us all.

That's another reason why this attack should be condemned. It's not going to help anyone. I hope John Caldwell makes a full and speedy recovery.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120285189#Comment_120285189

That really is bigoted nonsense. Take a look at the stats. The ruc were accepted by most as the most professional disciplined police service in the world. They were under constant threat on and off duty. The had a high proportion of officers killed and maimed. I had my problems with them but must also admire them.

as for people suggesting that the current version of the Ira have zero support. Here is a wee post recently. Note that even the person opposing the attempted murder was only doing so on the basis that it was in front of kids

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120285307#Comment_120285307

How is it bigoted? What did I say that wasn't true? The ruc were one of the main driving forces behind the troubles. To move forward we need to accept that we need a police force that looks after all communities. The psni arrest Catholics at a far higher rate. They are still covering up collusion. The scumbags who committed this attack and people like that thrive under those conditions. We need to remove their oxygen by having a fair and balanced police force as well as a functioning state. Clearly we don't have that.

SafeSurfer

More dreadful, nihilistic violence from the far left.

With all the media hype and distraction about the far right, organisations such as the New IRA, whose stated aim is the establishment of a 32 county socialist republic have avoided the critical media scrutiny they deserve.

downcow

It is really quite sad that there is grassroots support for trying to murder decent police officers. Some of it is subtly implied on posts here while in rural ni republicans literally applaud it.

https://twitter.com/derschwarzbaron/status/1629275605672816647?s=46&t=Tz33MfiS3_ySEE5yB8O7wA

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286149#Comment_120286149

There was no support anywhere on this thread for the people who committed this crime. Subtly or otherwise. There was an attempt from some to try to associate this attack with nationalists defending their communities from the ruc in the past. As I pointed out, the psni aren't perfect but they aren't murdering innocent men, women and children and assisting their loyalist buddies in doing the same like the ruc were.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286187#Comment_120286187

I think you should read back over your posts. Once you start the "but blah blah blah" that is clearly making excuses and supporting these people. No matter how you jump around trying to cover it up.

If you want to discuss the PSNI then start a discussion on it, using a thread about a person getting shot is not the right location if you actually don't support the shooting.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120284330#Comment_120284330

Because targeting a high ranking police officer is a whole other ball game to targeting a police officer on the beat. The former nearly falls into the "assasination" category and is something that hasn't been seen since the dawn of the PSNI. If you read my first post you'd have understood that instead of making that snarky response.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286215#Comment_120286215

BBC have done a list

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-10866072

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286211#Comment_120286211

A number of posts tried to connect this attack with the past. It may be uncomfortable for you and others but it's only right to point out the crimes of the ruc and how the psni are not the same. That is not making excuses for those who tried to murder this officer. I didn't bring up the past so maybe you should advise those who did to start a discussion on it?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286149#Comment_120286149

It seems like your pushing a certain narrative here. There's always going to be some people supportive of the most vile acts, and you posting screenshots of random people's comments doesn't really add much.

And the absolute state of the comment "The ruc were accepted by most as the most professional disciplined police service in the world." I don't even know where to begin with that one, but how about the proven collusion with loyalist terrorists? Professional my hole.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286225#Comment_120286225

Why would it be uncomfortable for me?

You have spent the entire thread making excuses for a group of scumbags trying to murder someone. Have the courage to admit it.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286230#Comment_120286230

Well you're just making stuff up so clearly something is making you uncomfortable. I have made no excuses for these scumbags. End of story. The only excuses made were for the crimes of the ruc. Pointing out that they killed innocents and colluded with loyalists to kill many more is just stating fact and putting the rewriting of history back in its place.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286254#Comment_120286254

Just pointing out you are making excuses excuses you don't even have the courage to admit it.

The typical "republican" flooding the internet these days. All noise with nothing behind it.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286259#Comment_120286259

Ah here we go. The mask slips. Your problem is with 'republicans'. You are either a unionist or a partitionist. That's why you are so uncomfortable with the crimes of the ruc being pointed out. You only want one narrative. Well unfortunately for you, the facts get in the way. Correcting people trying to rewrite history is not defending these scumbags. You'll just have to get over it.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286254#Comment_120286254

Could you give us some evidence for this widespread collusion and murdering of Catholics by the ruc?

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286277#Comment_120286277

….so give us the facts then, since you have access to them and I don’t

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286277#Comment_120286277

"mask slips", you see that on twitter but not understand it?

I am not the one jumping around for 2 days now trying to defend an attempted murder. That's the definition of mask slipping when you finally admit it.

Hilarious the best you can come up with "You are either a unionist or a partitionist" 😂 sounds very like the Sinn Fein online supporters go to hand book.

I am a nationalist by the way

downcow

….and I am not suggesting that any police service in the world is squeaky clean but you are dishonouring a police service who gave more in lives and devastated families than any other police service in the world that I am aware of. On duty, off duty , they were continually at serious risk of them or the families being murder by scumbags. And all this to protect the community without fear or favour.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286277#Comment_120286277

You are either a unionist or a partitionist.

And as soon as day follows night the name calling starts.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286277#Comment_120286277

Here is one set of FACTS to get you started:

The RUC solved more murders carried out by loyalists than republicans, fact.

Figures produced for the RUC George Cross Foundation show that between 1972 and 2001 some 50% of killings by loyalists were solved, compared to 30% committed by republicans.

That doesn’t fit well with your narrative!

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286301#Comment_120286301

So I was proven correct. Posters here are trying to rewrite history. Collusion has been proven beyond doubt. You can look up the Stevens enquiries, police ombudsman investigations, testimony of actual members of the ruc, victims of the ruc, loyalist evidence, acknowledgments from British prime ministers and so on.

Once you've finished looking all that up, you can then research their human rights abuses, especially against children. Then look up the Cain website to check the innocents they killed, that will put your fair and balanced argument to bed as you'll see that 80% of their victims were Catholic, majority of which were civilians. Of the protestants they killed, most were accidental or mistaken identity.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286313#Comment_120286313

I've done the opposite of defending these scumbags. I'm not sure why you continue to lie?

What have Sinn Féin got to do with this? Again, the mask slips. Your political ideology takes precedent for you. You have no interest in hearing about the suffering nationalists faced. As I said, it makes you uncomfortable.

As you can see, there is at least one poster trying to paint the ruc 'as the most professional disciplined police service in the world'. Again, putting that argument to bed using facts does not mean I'm defending whoever committed this crime.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286327#Comment_120286327

Name calling? If you're a unionist or partitionist, why would calling you that be an insult? Deep down do you feel ashamed of something?

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286581#Comment_120286581

It is a predictable defence used many times online when this sort of story comes out

Instead of discussing the actual attempted murder they defend the act by going off on a tangent about something. Like exactly what you are doing, going on about RUC. The RUC no longer exists FYI.

The fact you started calling people "unionist or partitionist" is also from the same playbook. Another attempt to drag the conversation into a name calling exercise.

As I said, it is clear from post one you are defending these people only you haven't the courage to come out and say it.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286684#Comment_120286684

I didn't bring up the past. I just put the false narrative to bed. If you have a problem with the ruc being brought into it, then why not take it up with those who brought the topic up?

Are you offended by being called a partitionist or something? You calling me a Sinn Féin supporter is very hypocritical given your 'playbook' claims.

You support the killing of nationalists by the ruc and their loyalist buddies. Most of us are opposed to a police force acting in this way.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286684#Comment_120286684

But he isn't on a tangent, he is responding to a poster who is trying to gaslight people as to the role of the RUC during the troubles. Should he not respond to those posts?

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286581#Comment_120286581

I am the only one has produced facts (and that’s another fact). You have not given a shred of actual evidence of widespread collusion. I am curious what are you claiming the PM said about widespread ruc collusion. Seems like you are basing your claims on hearsay

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120286581#Comment_120286581

Sf cannot wash their hands of this new IRA violence. They tell us regularly that the killing of policemen was justified. What message is that to send out to young republicans who believe in a United ireland. Those who have been singing ‘up the ra’ over the last months also cannot completely distance themselves from this.