Picard 3x03- 'Seventeen Seconds' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311156#Comment_120311156

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CastorTroy

I'm guessing the fact they mentioned the bio part of the nebula repeatedly means it'll come into play.

If they want Jack, are they going to rescue him from the gravity well?

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311156#Comment_120311156

Bugger, I was only thinking today that Shaw is growing with me, and if they were going for a spin off, and the character goes well, that would be a great way to move Trek forward with a pass off from the TNG crew to Shaw and Seven on their own exploration mission in the 25th century. But I also thought Rios was a new character that had potential, so there we go...

mewso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120310635#Comment_120310635

Absolutely. My point being they could have expositioned it a lot better. Poor old raffi isn't well liked and the writing for her hasn't helped.

pah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311032#Comment_120311032

I don't agree, Crusher said she could figure out how to protect her son from danger just not how to protect his son. It seems that he went to school long enough in London and when he was old enough she told him about Picard. There is no suggestion she was flying him around the galaxy in any danger as a kid. As a grown man he then made his own choices about what kind of danger to get into and not to seek out Picard for whaterver reason.

Pentecost

I'm actually enjoying this more than season 2 so far. Albeit they're leaning a bit heavy on the gang getting back together vibe. Also, I must admit I used to have a proper teenage crush on Beverly, and she still looks good for her age I reckon. Patrick Stewart is just too old for his role now though.

Evade

Yeah there's not timeline for how long he's been in danger, is there?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311366#Comment_120311366

It's still a nonsense reason though. She could - and given their long history, friendship and respect, definitely should - have still told Picard, and explained the situation and her wishes if she wanted it kept just between them etc. She's come out of it looking really poor - and worse, I actually just don't buy that it's a decision Beverly Crusher would have made.

(I also just totally didn't buy her run through of all Picard's dangers - this supposed sequence of separate attempts on his life every few days just felt so contrived, it's another weird attempt to reframe the TNG era as this all guns blazing dangerfest, rather than the predominantly exploratory thing it was).

McFly85

Better than last week, but still, not great.

Jack being Picards son just doesn’t feel natural and they’ve had to turn Beverly into a horrible person to get it to fit with continuity. Her reasons for never mentioning him to Picard are incredibly weak. It even bothered me that they felt they had to explain the accent.

The show still really lays it on thick the the legendary status of the enterprise-D crew too(Geordis daughter popping into seven to mention that her Dad was one of the greatest engineers ever and Raffi immediately calling Worf a legend). I get it, they were brilliant, but I always assumed there were a lot of brilliant crews across Starfleet, but these people are held on such a pedestal that everyone else was probably unremarkable.

Still, a better episode. Picard is a dreadful first officer! Bit weird of Riker to take offence and throw him off the bridge just because he followed Picards advice though.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311424#Comment_120311424

She looks great but you can see the age in her hands

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311482#Comment_120311482

They've an awful habit of reducing the whole universe down to around 10 relevant people. From everyone having the Ent-D crew up on this pedestal, to connecting Worf, to Rafi, to the Portal weapon, to Picard's conflict half a quadrant away - it's all just so much coincidence. It's the Picard gang's universe, the trillions of other inhabitants seemingly just live in it. (just wait for the loop to close itself, as we learn Picard and Michael Burnham are somehow related!).

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311366#Comment_120311366

He is only in his 20s and has a bunch of aliases and he is a seasoned smuggler as is she.

It seems quite clear they have both been acting as devil may care rebels for most of his adult life.

She has certainly lived the life that she thinks makes Picard not parent material.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311518#Comment_120311518

Picard and Burnham's father were good friends and he melded with her brother.

Not a joke that actually happened.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311366#Comment_120311366

Still a really **** move

corkie

Picard and Burnham's father were good friends and he melded with her brother.

Not a joke that actually happened.

Picard may not have been present during the events of Star Trek: Discovery's second season, but he did once cross paths with Spock. In the Star Trek: The Next Generation two-part Season 5 episode "Unification," Spock, now a Starfleet Ambassador, attempted to reunify the Vulcans and the Romulans, and he got a helping hand from Captain Picard and his crew. Picard and Spock worked together to help the Ambassador achieve his goal, and the two then got to talk about Spock's father, Sarek. Picard had previously met Sarek, in the appropriately titled Season 3 episode, "Sarek," where Spock's ailing father performed a Vulcan mind meld with Picard. At the end of "Unification," Picard offered Spock the chance to mind meld with him, in order to get closer to his now-deceased father.

By doing this, Picard allowed Spock to get to know his father better. But since both Picard and Spock shared the same mind at that time, it's possible that the Captain came to learn about the Ambassador's sister, Burnham. Picard, understanding the severity of the situation thanks to the mind meld, would have also kept the knowledge a secret all this time.

https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-theory-picard-knows-michael-burnham/

https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2021/11/26/star-trek-discovery-connected-itself-to-picard-with-one-simple-plot-device/

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unification_III_%28episode%29

Continuity

• This episode seemingly draws a conclusion to the actions began by Spock in the Star Trek: The Next Generation namesake episodes "Unification I" and "Unification II", which were further explored in "Face Of The Enemy" and Star Trek. Indeed, events of this episode replay Spock's speech about "closed minds [that] have kept these two worlds apart for centuries" from "Unification II" and present them as part of a record from circa stardate 45825.

All trying to make a circle link through of shows, lets not forget the retcon of Gary Seven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311562#Comment_120311562

Melded with Sarek first.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311630#Comment_120311630

Well ya that was part of the friend with her father bit.

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311562#Comment_120311562

You sir, win the internet today.

Agree wholeheartedly on the comments about Dr. Crusher. Looks like they made her a horrible person totally out of character with the Crusher we knew from TNG just for the sake of some cheap soap opera style drama. Also the kid's ham acting gets a bit much.

Aside from that, it's a massive improvement over season 1 and 2 so far. I like the new more gruesome changeling dissolving effect, flesh and blood oozing along the floor, eww. Wonder if that's what the two officers beamed back from the Enterprise in "the motion picture" came out looking like.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311647#Comment_120311647

Yeah but that's more than just friendship would be.

Spock was friends with Kirk, can't remember if they ever did

breezy1985

It does seem like the entire galaxy resents Picard for being some sociopath who dragged them into bloodthirsty adventure.

Riker and Crusher were very willing participants in the adventures (which were not actually bloodthirsty in TNG)

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311669#Comment_120311669

They did.

The thing which annoys me is that all the series have had their crews in danger. It's obviously not a rare occurrence so nothin that's happened to Picard is out of the ordinary for a senior Starfleet officer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311691#Comment_120311691

Yeah it was triggering something that I couldn't say for sure. It's a bigger deal that just being friends though.

Not knocking your point. I feel it hammers it home even more

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311669#Comment_120311669

In Star Trek: The Original Series, we see Spock mind meld with Kirk a total of four times. In a mind meld, thoughts can be shared between two entities.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Mind_meld

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311703#Comment_120311703

It wasn't a point. It was more of a joke to be honest.

I thought it was funny in a sad that it's true kinda way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311749#Comment_120311749

Fair enough but you're too right though. The Trek universe has always been small but with Burnham it's ridiculous

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120311700#Comment_120311700

Sometimes I think of Star Trek a bit like police procedurals. They have to make them have shootouts or interesting cases every week when typical police officers never shoot their gun outside of training and investigate the most mundane cases. It's the same for the main crews in Star Trek.

fritzelly

Please stop with the Burnham connections to Picard - my brain can't handle it

Discovery is a ST (barely) show that isn't ST, everything else is ST

Wild meanderings that the two are evenly remotely connected is tantamount to the worst possible torture

ItHurtsWhenIP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120310526#Comment_120310526

OK. Belay that speculation on my part at the end. I just rewatched it and the divide between Picard and Riker was clearly building from the moment that Shaw transferred command.

flazio

Regarding the bar scene with the questionable de aging SFX. It's television, I can go along with it to a point, but there is technology available that would have altered Patrick Stewart's voice enough to make him at least sound something closer to the Picard from Nemesis. He sounds croaky and old now but he didn't back then. Or dub over a decent soundalike if that's cheaper.