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Cold Spell (of depth and duration uncertain!) starting Tuesday 7th March

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭emo72


    Are we officially nowcasting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's a great pity this was not happening a month ago, it could have been a 1947 type scenario with Atlantic systems coming in and readily turning to snow across most of the country . We would not have to worry about melting snow either

    I have a feeling this could work out similar to March 2013, Northern Ireland gets a proper dumping while the rest of us get a wintry mix before it turns to rain. I hope I am wrong!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Probably. In terms of overnight, a lot of Munster should see some flakes, all of the high res models showing this. Likely to be rain to snow so it might only be the last hour that is sleet/snow and then you need luck for there to be enough pep in the convection still for anything notable to accumulate. In Cork city I'd be thinking flakes on cars and grass by rush hour but unlikely to be much better. We live in hope though...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Tonight, rain over the southern half of the country will continue turning to sleet or snow in places for a time later and mostly clearing southwards by Tuesday morning. Clear spells will follow and it will become very cold with lowest temperatures of 0 and -4 degrees with a widespread sharp frost and some icy stretches. A few wintry showers will develop on north facing coasts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,556 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    iirc March 2013 it wasn't just "rain" - serious flooding around South Dublin/ North Wicklow?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,544 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    On the 21st I recorded 18mm and on the 22nd 67.2mm which is the second highest daily total I've recorded in the 10 years here (Loughlinstown, south Dublin). I've no doubt there would have been flooding around, particularly in communities higher up, there probably was some around places near here. March 2013 was was sixth wettest month I've recorded.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The current GFS run is the scenario I feared for Thursday and Friday. The UKMO is a poor run too. I am not disappointed as I was sort of expecting this. At least some places will see a bit of snow overnight into Tuesday , but if it's a decent all snow frontal event you are after some of the afternoon runs are poor, unless you live in Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    JMA and GEM a little better. A two day cold spell following two SSW events would be a disappointment (for me).

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, hopefully the ECM might show something like this. As you say we have waited weeks for the SSW to deliver something meaningful, if the UKMO and GFS are right it amounts to a hill of beans. It seems to have been the story of this winter and is now following on into spring. We will probably get a direct hit at the end of March when it's all too late.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Unfortunately this won't deliver much for us other than flakes falling onto wet ground then transitioning quickly back to rain. If it's proper lying snow this will be mainly a UK event as always with Northern Ireland, Scotland and northern England in for some fun and games. If this had happened a few weeks ago we would have been in a much better position. It's just too late and the air doesn't stay cold long enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. A repeat of 22 March 2013 is looking likely late next week. The problem is the Greenland High seemingly lets us down once again.

    The Atlantic systems phase with the TPV and as a result we never never get the direct hit that was initially suggested a few days ago and the incoming Low on Thursday is not forced to disrupt, hence we likely end up with a washout and milder turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Niall145


    Thursday morning looking good for Dublin on the latest ECM (other models are also showing this band of snow)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭squarecircles



    12Z ECM, heavy snow across the middle of the country, moving northwards. Galway to Dublin and north of it doing well...and from a purely IMBY perspective - west Mayo getting ploughed on this run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,429 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Potential for some disruption Thursday morning. This is going down to the wire. As the cold wraps back round Thursday night could be interesting too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,947 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    No where near cold enough in Kildare at moment for snow. It’s about 10 degrees.

    On the off chance Any snow that did fall would instantly melt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    another dumping friday night ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭highdef


    You must have an outside heater switched on near your thermometer that's reading 10° as county Kildare is averaging about 5° at the moment. Near 4° at my location in Meath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,695 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Anyone know if rural Gorey will get anything? My phone says to expect a mix of rain and snow showers but not to drop below 1C.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    The Ecm is far less progressive with the breakdown on Thursday when compared to the 12z GEM and GFS.

    Ulster and north Connacht stay cold through to Saturday morning.

    After an initial push of milder air up to the northern third of the island on Thursday, the cold air pushes back right down to the south coast during Friday. A snow to rain to snow situation for the middle third of Ireland, while the northern third stays cold with snow up to Saturday morn when the cold retreats northeast.

    All very messy, but the potential for significant snow remains for some parts of the island. If ECM holds track then a red warning may be warranted for the northwest and Ulster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    if we could even get a tiny percentage of that snow depth it would be amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    10c?? I think your thermometer is on the blink. All the stations around you are 4-5c at 6pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    What's your height asl? Are you far from the sea? Too early to say where the cold/milder boundary will be and the precipitation type.

    At present the Northern half of the country is favoured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Think you should be okay...think you'll avoid any snow. More an event for the Northern half of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I can't take this anymore. I am going back to the most reliable model there is: my window on Thursday morning.

    But seriously what a strange run, West Mayo gets a right dumping. I dare say if this was a month go there would be no transition back to rain for any of us. Also we would likely have epic accumulations as a consequence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    40-50 miles will make such a difference. It's really heading into nowcast territory. Whatever will happen will happen. Some will be pleasantly surprised, others disappointed. Those on high ground north of Dublin/Galway are probably guaranteed snow. It can move southwards easily enough too.

    Surprises can really happen too. It's a bit of excitement 😊



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,544 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The uppers are not great, for here in coastal Dublin i'm expecting rain with some wet flakes in there if the charts are accurate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭kittyn


    Oh god the dates I don’t want snow 🙈 I’ve a wedding in Leitrim on the 10th travelling up Thursday night could be fun 🤣🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Safe travelling and keep listening to updates. Hopefully roads will be clear.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Not expecting much here in Meath either. Usually we are too marginal and being close to the Irish sea makes things worse up to 40/50km from the east coast. Midlands and north-west could do well out of it for a while. Monaghan and Cavan may do good as well.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Kermit only comes out for the big events. This is looking like a giant non event sadly.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    You’ll be grand. Too mild to cause any significant damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    You can really see the cold creeping southwards now on this real time map




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Models in general showing some fairly substantial frontal snow in my opinion for the W, NW , N and NE. ECM as has been said above shows the frontal activity and the cold airmass reloading quickly again for the next front to arrive. No doubt not all snow with rain and sleet part of the process also. Areas could see some big dumps of wet heavy snow at times.

    What I am seeing:

    Getting highs of 5 or 6C tomorrow but as low as 2 or 3C further N

    Weds temps from 2 or 3 up to a highs of 6C parts of the W

    Thurs looks to be close to freezing in Northern parts would assume over snow fields, about 3 or 4 C in the center of the country getting colder further N and possibly up to 10C in the S for a time but cold everywhere later Thurs night into Fri morning.

    Fri very cold day of only a few degrees for most, maybe up to 4C or so in parts of the W.

    Sat much milder for most getting up to 14 or 15C in the S and only a few degrees in Northern counties as snow melts and under colder airmass.

    LP fairly tight gradient set to bring windy conditions across parts of the country on Thurs also, hefty Windchill in Northern half of the country.

    As is often the case with LP moving into a cold airmass that snow can fall in less cold conditions and has less distance to fall so can easily accumulate, if only for a couple of days.

    A plethora of warnings to come no doubt. Freezing nights and icy mornings, heavy snow fall in parts, Thurs looks like a difficult day for driving and outdoor workers especially the farmers with livestock. Would want to be getting home early in the Northern half of the country, could be some heavy local falls. Thurs night snow continuing late until it clears the NE coast and looks set to freeze on top of settled snow and large tracts of the country that will be wet from the days precipitation so would think there could be a lot of snow still lying Fri morning in the the top third of the country and maybe some down into the midlands at a lesser degree along with tricky roads early Fri.

    Maybe yellow wind warnings in parts of the W, NW on thurs , blustery overland in the Northern half of the country along with the expected snowfall.
















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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Only found this thread now , gotten colder here in carrick rain has passed south but snow showing on the radar in the Midlands so mountains might get dusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭kittyn


    Oh don’t worry I have no problem driving in snow I’m quite used to it living up the Dublin mountains 🤣🤣



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    What nights mike look like and the milder day on Sat .







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,402 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    We need more glass-half-full posters!

    I love these weeks with snow expectancy!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,544 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I'd agree with that, should be some nice pics to make us jealous in the coming days all the same!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Very exciting.


    Just to caveat that Mayo are used to disappointment. We here in the Midlands are not. Just saying, God...



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭almostthere12


    Hey Rebelbrowser where do you go in meteociel to get the current temperature map? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    I'd expect more optimism from a poster with a Santa hat on in March🤭🤭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    If we continue to see runs like we have seen today from the ECMWF, GFS and Arpege models this time tomorrow then we may see the first of the warnings issued by Met Éireann. Then on Wednesday warnings will be updated.

    If we see a similar accumulations to what the Ecmwf model is showing then I would think and Orange warning will be issued for Donegal, Sligo, Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan & Mayo. A Amber warning also from the Met Office uk for Northern Ireland.

    Any potential Red warning would only probably come Wednesday morning once we are in a closer time frame and fresh data is available.

    More than likely Met Éireann will go with a Yellow snow/ice warning for the rest of the country.

    Ecmwf Ensembles are in good agreement this evening for a dumping over the northwest particularly Donegal.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The GFS and UKMO are a bit more sobering. The GFS is mainly a brief snow to rain event for most of us. The GFS control is in fact a washout with the cold gone from most of Scotland too by the 12th. I am not convinced by this evenings ECM, even if it has broad support among its members. This may seem overly negative but I am not getting my hopes up again just yet only for it all to go pear shaped in the end as it so often does. As we all know only too well to get significant snowfall in this country is as rare as hens teeth! If by tomorrow night we have broad agreement between the main models then I will start to believe....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    So at this point, fairly good model agreement for heavy snowfall across northern third of Ireland, mixed falls central third and mostly rain southern third with low on Wed night into Thurs a.m., then with less agreement, another round of significant snow moving fairly rapidly south to north on Friday into Friday night, milder for weekend.

    Will wait for 00z model runs and morning forecast to get very specific in my patch but for now would say be on alert for 15-30 cm snowfalls out of both those events as they unfold, it may turn into more of a 5-15 cm higher local amounts on hills sort of deal. For the first one, mixed falls Galway to Dublin could be either snow to rain or just alternating periods of snow, sleet and rain, depending on how well organized that low is. If you like percentage risks, would say 70% risk of disruptive snowfalls north of a line from Connemara to Longford to Louth, 40% south of that line to Clare-north Tipps-Wicklow, with the Wed-Thurs event. Too early to be speculating on risk percentages for round two but higher risks west Munster northeast in general.

    All snow that does fall seems likely to melt fairly quickly about 24-48h after it appears, except possibly on hills in Ulster. Will re-assess after 18z run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Temps at https://www.meteociel.fr/observations-meteo/temperatures.php?region=uk

    dew points (v relevant for snow) at https://www.meteociel.fr/observations-meteo/point-de-rosee.php?region=uk

    indeed dew points are tumbling...


    For the uninitiated, crudely you want the combined sum of your areas temp and dew point to be 0c or below for snow. -3 DP can mean snow at 3c temp etc.

    The guide to snow fall in Ireland is stickied on the home page of the weather forum here on boards - really well worth a read. See https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057947753/parameters-required-for-guaranteed-snow-in-ireland



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